OT: California Wildfires
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No one is saying that sicko arsonists aren't part of the problem. They are. I can assure you that dry lightning was responsible for the vast majority of the fires along the West Coast this year.
Yea, the FBI is in good standing with people at this point. :flush:Some folks here are part of the propaganda problem, so there's nothing I can write here to convince those who have alternative "facts". However, the antifa-Oregon fires crap has been widely debunked - even by the FBI.
Joe Rogan Apologizes for Spreading Bogus Antifa Wildfire Conspiracy: “I F--ked Up”
The podcast star pushed debunked claims that “left-wing” activists were behind West Coast fires, adding a new controversy on top of tensions inside Spotify over his past remarks.www.vanityfair.com
Facebook says it's removing false claims about who started Oregon wildfires
The blame game over the Oregon wildfires is playing out across social media, and Facebook said Saturday it would remove false claims circulating on its platform.www.cnn.com
FBI: Rumors of Extremists Starting Oregon Wildfires ‘Untrue’
As the fires spread, rumors started to circulate online that they had been intentionally started by either far-left or far-right extremiststime.com
This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with having any kind of a rational discussion about anything in this country today. A topic that should be apolitical turns political.
Fires start under hot, dry and windy conditions. Indisputable fact.
It has been a hot, dry and windy summer in the Pacific Northwest and California. Indisputable fact.
Climate change has played a role in weather pattern and hotter summers. Indisputable fact.
Filtering out the wackjob websites like CNN, The Atlantic, NYT, FoxNews, ZeroHedge, Breitbart, etc., a quick search of "Arrests Oregon Forest Fires" and "Arrests California Wild Fires" reveals there have been several arrests, but could not find one tied to radical groups on either side.
The BBC article linked above is noteworthy and factual. I asked @RUforester72 for his opinion, because he likely knows more than everyone in this thread about this topic.
Carry on.
Fires start under hot, dry and windy conditions. Indisputable fact.
It has been a hot, dry and windy summer in the Pacific Northwest and California. Indisputable fact.
Climate change has played a role in weather pattern and hotter summers. Indisputable fact.
Filtering out the wackjob websites like CNN, The Atlantic, NYT, FoxNews, ZeroHedge, Breitbart, etc., a quick search of "Arrests Oregon Forest Fires" and "Arrests California Wild Fires" reveals there have been several arrests, but could not find one tied to radical groups on either side.
The BBC article linked above is noteworthy and factual. I asked @RUforester72 for his opinion, because he likely knows more than everyone in this thread about this topic.
Carry on.
I agree it has been bruttaly dry this season out there. That is a major cause of it and it sucks for these poor people involed. Its bad enough they have to deal with this. But some of the fires these sicko arsonists lit probably caused major damage destroyed houses and such and maybe killed some people. Once they get arrested they get let go way to easy. I was watching a video and they went to the arsonists social media and what do you know a climate nut with ties to antifa. Its disgusting. The people affected by this have enouogh to worry about. They shouldnt have to worry about these idiots. Lock them up
Actually it was mostly arson. Which gets exacerbated when they don't do any deforestation. Man made fires or not, there is no excuse to make the problem worse by creating massive swaths of tinder boxes on a grand scale.
well that accounts for .5 acres of the 4+million so far this year(just in california)
2020 California wildfires - Wikipedia
The atlantic, CNN and NYT are not wackjob websites. Get a clue.
Sad! Gummybear real source, NYT fake. IT is amazing what has become of our society.
It's only sad if the NYT is your bible. Then you' be super sullen.
Depends on land ownership. USFS for national forest. State does their ownership. Private varies. My guess is USFS does most in California.
No it was not
deforestation is improper term. That refers to taking land from a forest land use to one that is not ( agriculture, subdivisions, industrial etc. ) proper term in general is forest management. More specifically fuels management.
I am familiar with (and you probably are too) with what they do here in NJ in and around the Pine Barrens--they are called controlled burns. Every spring, the state forest service burns out the underbrush and dead wood to cut down the fuel load for the upcoming forest fire season.
Do they regularly do controlled burns in California and Oregon?
Environmentalists Destroyed California’s Forests
Millions of acres of California forest have been blackened by wildfires this summer, leading to the usual angry denunciations from the usual quarters about climate change. But in 1999, the Associated Press reported that forestry experts had long agreed that “clearing undergrowth would save...
californiapolicycenter.org
From Canada's National Wildland Fire Situation Report - 09SEP20
"British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan, are all reporting less than 10% of their average area burned for the year, and all of these provinces typically contribute significantly to the total area burned in the country."
"The United States is at preparedness level 5 with significant fires on the west cost extending from Washington through California."
British Columbia borders Washington. Does the weather change at the border? No lightning in Canada? Did the flames forget their passports?
cwfis.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca
"British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan, are all reporting less than 10% of their average area burned for the year, and all of these provinces typically contribute significantly to the total area burned in the country."
"The United States is at preparedness level 5 with significant fires on the west cost extending from Washington through California."
British Columbia borders Washington. Does the weather change at the border? No lightning in Canada? Did the flames forget their passports?
Canadian Wildland Fire Information System | National Wildland Fire Situation Report
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Funny how that works.From Canada's National Wildland Fire Situation Report - 09SEP20
"British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan, are all reporting less than 10% of their average area burned for the year, and all of these provinces typically contribute significantly to the total area burned in the country."
"The United States is at preparedness level 5 with significant fires on the west cost extending from Washington through California."
British Columbia borders Washington. Does the weather change at the border? No lightning in Canada? Did the flames forget their passport?
Canadian Wildland Fire Information System | National Wildland Fire Situation Report
Both the state and federal agencies do prescribed/controlled burns in CA and OR. Problem is that there are something like 33M acres of forest in CA alone(Federal gov controls 19M of those). The recent agreement between CA and USFS commits together to "treat" 1M acres of forest a year. Some of that would be controlled burns.
Last year, CA "treated" 393K acres of state managed forest for $200M. Fed gov "treated" 235K acres of Fed forest for $151M. Again some controlled burns, some other mechanisms.
California outpaced Trump's Forest Service in wildfire prevention work: data
While more than half of California’s forests fall under federal management, the U.S. Forest Service consistently spends fewer dollars than the state in managing those lands to reduce wildfire risks, a Reuters data analysis reveals.
www.reuters.com
From Canada's National Wildland Fire Situation Report - 09SEP20
"British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan, are all reporting less than 10% of their average area burned for the year, and all of these provinces typically contribute significantly to the total area burned in the country."
"The United States is at preparedness level 5 with significant fires on the west cost extending from Washington through California."
British Columbia borders Washington. Does the weather change at the border? No lightning in Canada? Did the flames forget their passports?
Canadian Wildland Fire Information System | National Wildland Fire Situation Report
Yeah, Canada's weather is historically the spitting image of ours. Strong work.
I repeat the JCPL and PSEG hire people in the summer to clear out the high power transmissions lines of the underbrush along the lines. 3 of my Nephews worked for JCPL summers. They would get crew cuts and then check each other at the end of work for tics every day.
It's called being on top of a problem...
I took the Arson Investigator course that the NJSP teaches a 40 hour course.
It is 'estimated' that the majority of arsons in volunteer fire districts are done by the volunteer firemen. The first thing to be investigated of any series of local arsons is to check the rolls to see who comes to each fire.
Using the playbook of the clowns that accused and persecuted Richard Jewell, are we then?
Yes, when I lived out in CA there were signs on the side of highways in several areas that identified controlled burn areas. It was the first time I became aware of the term having not seen that in NJ prior.
Are you being disingenuous or are you ignorant to the climate similarities to the US PACNW and SW Canada? He's not comparing Saint Louis to Toronto.
One of the reasons I started this thread was that this round of fires had affected a member of the Rutgers community and presumed fanbase as I had seen on national television...I wanted this to unite us not polarize us further...it was also started to show empathy to all who are affected....
Question: have arsonists been arrested on the west coast for starting fires this year? How many?Some folks here are part of the propaganda problem, so there's nothing I can write here to convince those who have alternative "facts". However, the antifa-Oregon fires crap has been widely debunked - even by the FBI.
Joe Rogan Apologizes for Spreading Bogus Antifa Wildfire Conspiracy: “I F--ked Up”
The podcast star pushed debunked claims that “left-wing” activists were behind West Coast fires, adding a new controversy on top of tensions inside Spotify over his past remarks.
Facebook says it's removing false claims about who started Oregon wildfires
The blame game over the Oregon wildfires is playing out across social media, and Facebook said Saturday it would remove false claims circulating on its platform.
FBI: Rumors of Extremists Starting Oregon Wildfires ‘Untrue’
As the fires spread, rumors started to circulate online that they had been intentionally started by either far-left or far-right extremists
Don't tell me who said what and who backed off what and what social media did what.. tell me if people have been caught for starting fires intentionally. The social media folks.. when they label something as false or misleading it means it is true and dangerous to them. When people back off statements, it is often to preserve their access to social media and prevent themselves from being "canceled" by the left stormtroopers.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/at-least-13-people-arrested-arson-wildfires
Toward the bottom of that story is says that Washinton state had no lightning in an area and they suspect as many as 56 fires were all arson or human error (like that party fireworks thing).
Here's another hint... did all those states have deserts in them BEFORE man arrived on the scene at all?
And wildfires before man was around?
Burning Story: The Role of Fire in the History of Life
Abstract. Ecologists, biogeographers, and paleobotanists have long thought that climate and soils controlled the distribution of ecosystems, with the role of fi
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Man arrested, charged with arson in connection with southern Oregon fire
Michael Bakkela, 41, was arrested Friday
Happy Murphy Gas Tax Day New Jersey!
With all of the EOs he's issued, a delay in the gas tax should have been done too
With all of the EOs he's issued, a delay in the gas tax should have been done too
As much of U.S. burns, western Canada has quieter-than-usual wildfire season due to rain and COVID lockdowns
While the fire season hasn't been as bad north of the U.S.-Canada border this year, that doesn't mean Canadians have not felt the effects
VERIFY: No, the West Coast wildfires don't mysteriously stop at the Canadian border
Viral posts on social media claim that the wildfires mysteriously stop at the U.S. border. But it's not the fires that stop, it's the data.
www.wusa9.com
How weather, COVID-19 spared Canada from wildfires like those in the U.S.
Canada has experienced a lower than average number of wildfires this year thanks in part to COVID-19 restrictions, as well as cooler temperatures and wetter conditions compared to the United States, where devastating and record-setting wildfires have been raging across large swaths of the west...
www.ctvnews.ca
Fact check: Western Canada, Mexico have experienced climate-change linked fires, too
Posts online have questioned whether climate change has worsened fires on the West Coast by citing maps that show no fires in Canada or Mexico.
www.usatoday.com
Question: have arsonists been arrested on the west coast for starting fires this year? How many?
Don't tell me who said what and who backed off what and what social media did what.. tell me if people have been caught for starting fires intentionally. The social media folks.. when they label something as false or misleading it means it is true and dangerous to them. When people back off statements, it is often to preserve their access to social media and prevent themselves from being "canceled" by the left stormtroopers.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/at-least-13-people-arrested-arson-wildfires
Toward the bottom of that story is says that Washinton state had no lightning in an area and they suspect as many as 56 fires were all arson or human error (like that party fireworks thing).
Here's another hint... did all those states have deserts in them BEFORE man arrived on the scene at all?
And wildfires before man was around?
Burning Story: The Role of Fire in the History of Life
Abstract. Ecologists, biogeographers, and paleobotanists have long thought that climate and soils controlled the distribution of ecosystems, with the role of fi
That is a lot of facts the arson deniers are not going to like
Antifa Arsonists
The Trailblazers or Sac Kings should change their name to that.
The Trailblazers or Sac Kings should change their name to that.
Of course it is not true that antifa started fires, Joe Biden has assured us that antifa does not exist!
BTW.. saying there is no truth that some organization is responsible is not the same thing as saying humans aren't committing arson in fires out there.
What about acid rain from China affecting the west coast forests?
BTW.. anyone remember when the left tried to use Polar Bear "endangerment" to give the EPA power to make all sorts of enforceable laws regarding carbon emissions? (Polar bears are thriving, btw) This GW/CC thing has always been about amassing political power. We're humans.. if the planet is warming (and it probably is) we'll adjust... its what we do.
You cannot have a revolution without enough desperate people... so they want to make more of them.. by any means necessary.
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It’s one of the things on list.
Same reason an owner or an employee is checked out for fire in a commercial occupancy and the people who own/live there for a residential property.
Just like a spouse is always the first one they look at if something happens to the other. Or a robbery...rule out the inside job too.
Was not aware of vollies being on such a list. Are off duty paid firefighters on such lists too? In over 35 years of being a vollie, have only been aware of 2 such incidents in the response area. Ironically, one of those who was caught and apprehended had the last name Wilburn. That is no joke. He should have been on the list as soon as he applied to be a vollie.
If the guy owns/works or lives there and it is determined by the marshals it’s arson...everyone gets a look.
But I am more in agreement with what you’re saying. 😉
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