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Yea, the FBI is in good standing with people at this point. :flush:Some folks here are part of the propaganda problem, so there's nothing I can write here to convince those who have alternative "facts". However, the antifa-Oregon fires crap has been widely debunked - even by the FBI.
Joe Rogan Apologizes for Spreading Bogus Antifa Wildfire Conspiracy: “I F--ked Up”
The podcast star pushed debunked claims that “left-wing” activists were behind West Coast fires, adding a new controversy on top of tensions inside Spotify over his past remarks.www.vanityfair.com
Facebook says it's removing false claims about who started Oregon wildfires
The blame game over the Oregon wildfires is playing out across social media, and Facebook said Saturday it would remove false claims circulating on its platform.www.cnn.comFBI: Rumors of Extremists Starting Oregon Wildfires ‘Untrue’
As the fires spread, rumors started to circulate online that they had been intentionally started by either far-left or far-right extremiststime.com
No one is saying that sicko arsonists aren't part of the problem. They are. I can assure you that dry lightning was responsible for the vast majority of the fires along the West Coast this year.
No one is saying that sicko arsonists aren't part of the problem. They are. I can assure you that dry lightning was responsible for the vast majority of the fires along the West Coast this year.
well that accounts for .5 acres of the 4+million so far this year(just in california)
The atlantic, CNN and NYT are not wackjob websites. Get a clue.This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with having any kind of a rational discussion about anything in this country today. A topic that should be apolitical turns political.
Fires start under hot, dry and windy conditions. Indisputable fact.
It has been a hot, dry and windy summer in the Pacific Northwest and California. Indisputable fact.
Climate change has played a role in weather pattern and hotter summers. Indisputable fact.
Filtering out the wackjob websites like CNN, The Atlantic, NYT, FoxNews, ZeroHedge, Breitbart, etc., a quick search of "Arrests Oregon Forest Fires" and "Arrests California Wild Fires" reveals there have been several arrests, but could not find one tied to radical groups on either side.
The BBC article linked above is noteworthy and factual. I asked @RUforester72 for his opinion, because he likely knows more than everyone in this thread about this topic.
Carry on.
The atlantic, CNN and NYT are not wackjob websites. Get a clue.
Sad! Gummybear real source, NYT fake. IT is amazing what has become of our society.
Depends on land ownership. USFS for national forest. State does their ownership. Private varies. My guess is USFS does most in California.Can you address who is responsible for controlled burns and fuel management in California? Is it the USFS or the State, or a combination? Is there a breakdown of % if both?
No it was notActually it was mostly arson. Which gets exacerbated when they don't do any deforestation. Man made fires or not, there is no excuse to make the problem worse by creating massive swaths of tinder boxes on a grand scale.
No it was not
deforestation is improper term. That refers to taking land from a forest land use to one that is not ( agriculture, subdivisions, industrial etc. ) proper term in general is forest management. More specifically fuels management.
I am familiar with (and you probably are too) with what they do here in NJ in and around the Pine Barrens--they are called controlled burns. Every spring, the state forest service burns out the underbrush and dead wood to cut down the fuel load for the upcoming forest fire season.No it was not
deforestation is improper term. That refers to taking land from a forest land use to one that is not ( agriculture, subdivisions, industrial etc. ) proper term in general is forest management. More specifically fuels management.
Funny how that works.From Canada's National Wildland Fire Situation Report - 09SEP20
"British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan, are all reporting less than 10% of their average area burned for the year, and all of these provinces typically contribute significantly to the total area burned in the country."
"The United States is at preparedness level 5 with significant fires on the west cost extending from Washington through California."
British Columbia borders Washington. Does the weather change at the border? No lightning in Canada? Did the flames forget their passport?
Canadian Wildland Fire Information System | National Wildland Fire Situation Report
cwfis.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca
Both the state and federal agencies do prescribed/controlled burns in CA and OR. Problem is that there are something like 33M acres of forest in CA alone(Federal gov controls 19M of those). The recent agreement between CA and USFS commits together to "treat" 1M acres of forest a year. Some of that would be controlled burns.I am familiar with (and you probably are too) with what they do here in NJ in and around the Pine Barrens--they are called controlled burns. Every spring, the state forest service burns out the underbrush and dead wood to cut down the fuel load for the upcoming forest fire season.
Do they regularly do controlled burns in California and Oregon?
Sad looking bunch of pyromaniacs , may they all learn the art of walking on hot coals while on vacation in prison.
From Canada's National Wildland Fire Situation Report - 09SEP20
"British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan, are all reporting less than 10% of their average area burned for the year, and all of these provinces typically contribute significantly to the total area burned in the country."
"The United States is at preparedness level 5 with significant fires on the west cost extending from Washington through California."
British Columbia borders Washington. Does the weather change at the border? No lightning in Canada? Did the flames forget their passports?
Canadian Wildland Fire Information System | National Wildland Fire Situation Report
cwfis.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca
We also stopped deforestation 4 years ago. Really bad move. Like king of stupid moves.
No one is saying that sicko arsonists aren't part of the problem. They are. I can assure you that dry lightning was responsible for the vast majority of the fires along the West Coast this year.
Using the playbook of the clowns that accused and persecuted Richard Jewell, are we then?I took the Arson Investigator course that the NJSP teaches a 40 hour course.
It is 'estimated' that the majority of arsons in volunteer fire districts are done by the volunteer firemen. The first thing to be investigated of any series of local arsons is to check the rolls to see who comes to each fire.
I took the Arson Investigator course that the NJSP teaches a 40 hour course.
It is 'estimated' that the majority of arsons in volunteer fire districts are done by the volunteer firemen. The first thing to be investigated of any series of local arsons is to check the rolls to see who comes to each fire.
Do they regularly do controlled burns in California and Oregon?
Are you being disingenuous or are you ignorant to the climate similarities to the US PACNW and SW Canada? He's not comparing Saint Louis to Toronto.Yeah, Canada's weather is historically the spitting image of ours. Strong work.
Question: have arsonists been arrested on the west coast for starting fires this year? How many?Some folks here are part of the propaganda problem, so there's nothing I can write here to convince those who have alternative "facts". However, the antifa-Oregon fires crap has been widely debunked - even by the FBI.
Joe Rogan Apologizes for Spreading Bogus Antifa Wildfire Conspiracy: “I F--ked Up”
The podcast star pushed debunked claims that “left-wing” activists were behind West Coast fires, adding a new controversy on top of tensions inside Spotify over his past remarks.www.vanityfair.com
Facebook says it's removing false claims about who started Oregon wildfires
The blame game over the Oregon wildfires is playing out across social media, and Facebook said Saturday it would remove false claims circulating on its platform.www.cnn.com
FBI: Rumors of Extremists Starting Oregon Wildfires ‘Untrue’
As the fires spread, rumors started to circulate online that they had been intentionally started by either far-left or far-right extremiststime.com
Let him go on his little runts. They are funny.Are you being disingenuous or are you ignorant to the climate similarities to the US PACNW and SW Canada? He's not comparing Saint Louis to Toronto.
Question: have arsonists been arrested on the west coast for starting fires this year? How many?
Don't tell me who said what and who backed off what and what social media did what.. tell me if people have been caught for starting fires intentionally.
Question: have arsonists been arrested on the west coast for starting fires this year? How many?
Don't tell me who said what and who backed off what and what social media did what.. tell me if people have been caught for starting fires intentionally. The social media folks.. when they label something as false or misleading it means it is true and dangerous to them. When people back off statements, it is often to preserve their access to social media and prevent themselves from being "canceled" by the left stormtroopers.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/at-least-13-people-arrested-arson-wildfires
Toward the bottom of that story is says that Washinton state had no lightning in an area and they suspect as many as 56 fires were all arson or human error (like that party fireworks thing).
Here's another hint... did all those states have deserts in them BEFORE man arrived on the scene at all?
And wildfires before man was around?
Burning Story: The Role of Fire in the History of Life
Abstract. Ecologists, biogeographers, and paleobotanists have long thought that climate and soils controlled the distribution of ecosystems, with the role of fiacademic.oup.com
Of course it is not true that antifa started fires, Joe Biden has assured us that antifa does not exist!Some folks here are part of the propaganda problem, so there's nothing I can write here to convince those who have alternative "facts". However, the antifa-Oregon fires crap has been widely debunked - even by the FBI.
It’s one of the things on list.Wow. I had no idea, but it makes sense.
Was not aware of vollies being on such a list. Are off duty paid firefighters on such lists too? In over 35 years of being a vollie, have only been aware of 2 such incidents in the response area. Ironically, one of those who was caught and apprehended had the last name Wilburn. That is no joke. He should have been on the list as soon as he applied to be a vollie.It’s one of the things on list.
Same reason an owner or an employee is checked out for fire in a commercial occupancy and the people who own/live there for a residential property.
Just like a spouse is always the first one they look at if something happens to the other. Or a robbery...rule out the inside job too.
If the guy owns/works or lives there and it is determined by the marshals it’s arson...everyone gets a look.Was not aware of vollies being on such a list. Are off duty paid firefighters on such lists too? In over 35 years of being a vollie, have only been aware of 2 such incidents in the response area. Ironically, one of those who was caught and apprehended had the last name Wilburn. That is no joke. He should have been on the list as soon as he applied to be a vollie.