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Anyone see the 60 minute piece on windmills and the worlds largest windfarm in England last night? Residents say their energy bills have doubled and the jobs and everything else promised by Orsted (same company installing the ones off the NJ coast) never came to fruition.

The Jersey Shore isn't a depressed fish farming region.

If anything there's an employee shortage in the Shore region if not the whole state.
 
It's what NJ did to it's forests to build it's malls and suburbia. And what my neighbor did to not have so many leaves to rake in the Fall.
When we built our house in Mahwah- I would say we cleared at least 30 trees from the property. Keep 4 big beautiful trees out front...but not anywhere near the house. Though, one of those trees was right on the edge of the property off the road and landscaping companies would park there and actually sit in and under our tree eating lunch and leaving garbage. They kept doing it because of the shade it gave them. I get home from work one day and my wife had the tree company there taking it down. lol

But, we also planted over 100 white pine, maybe 20 or so decorative trees and over 500 permanent plants and bushes.
 
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whales are dropping like flies in NJ..

 
whales are dropping like flies in NJ..

@knightfan7 wants those offshore wind farms built so that he can virtue signal his green energy friends. Who knew that PETA may come knocking at his door?
 
Thirteen pages of the most astonishing, unhinged and ungrounded retardation this venue has ever seen.

No, offshore wind development isn't magically killing whales.

Forty percent of them are killed by ships.

The rest die from disease and starvation. Then they wash up on the beach, because that's what dead marine mammals do. A sudden spike in occurrences, you say? There are two likely reasons for that. One, there are simply WAY more whales than there were just a few decades ago. And two, persistent higher than normal SSTs equate to reduced food supply for plankton-feeding whales. When their natural migratory patterns interact with consistently warmer (and therefore less nutrient-rich) waters, die-offs are the result.

Nobody is going to see a wind farm while standing on the beach. Even if they're faintly visible from higher vantage points, so what? They will appear, from 15 miles away, as dots on the horizon. This hysteria is 100% fabricated by people who are simply prone to hysteria (like T2k, for example).

Remember - simply complaining about potential solutions without offering additional solutions is, by definition, whining. It's what we expect from 2 year-olds (like T2k). It is not, however, adult behavior.
 
Thirteen pages of the most astonishing, unhinged and ungrounded retardation this venue has ever seen.

No, offshore wind development isn't magically killing whales.

Forty percent of them are killed by ships.

The rest die from disease and starvation. Then they wash up on the beach, because that's what dead marine mammals do. A sudden spike in occurrences, you say? There are two likely reasons for that. One, there are simply WAY more whales than there were just a few decades ago. And two, persistent higher than normal SSTs equate to reduced food supply for plankton-feeding whales. When their natural migratory patterns interact with consistently warmer (and therefore less nutrient-rich) waters, die-offs are the result.

Nobody is going to see a wind farm while standing on the beach. Even if they're faintly visible from higher vantage points, so what? They will appear, from 15 miles away, as dots on the horizon. This hysteria is 100% fabricated by people who are simply prone to hysteria (like T2k, for example).

Remember - simply complaining about potential solutions without offering additional solutions is, by definition, whining. It's what we expect from 2 year-olds (like T2k). It is not, however, adult behavior.
Offshore wind is stupid, expensive, and difficult to maintain. Solution to our energy issue = new nuclear plants,
 
Offshore wind is stupid, expensive, and difficult to maintain. Solution to our energy issue = new nuclear plants,

I'm generally pro-nuke.

Trouble is, you have to put them somewhere. And that's become impossible, because of people like you.

They're also "expensive and difficult to maintain". The average, all-in cost of a new nuke plant today approaches a trillion dollars and the duty cycle for a single reactor hovers around 30% - they're offline far more than they're online.
 
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whales are dropping like flies in NJ..

I agree with the people that are protesting the off shore wind farms. They will be a eyesore. However, they look crazy by using the death of a few whales because of ocean mapping. They have no idea why these whales died but blame a specific reason without facts of any kind.
The fact is the humpback whale population has exploded off the coast on NJ in past 10 years.
 
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I'm generally pro-nuke.

Trouble is, you have to put them somewhere. And that's become impossible, because of people like you.

They're also "expensive and difficult to maintain". The average, all-in cost of a new nuke plant today approaches a trillion dollars and the duty cycle for a single reactor hovers around 30% - they're offline far more than they're online.
Start with upgrading current sites. Replace old reactors with new tech/designs. If enough room, add an additional reactor. Let's deal with the low hanging fruit first.
 
Start with upgrading current sites. Replace old reactors with new tech/designs. If enough room, add an additional reactor. Let's deal with the low hanging fruit first.

I'm working on a plan right now to put a new nuke plant in Montgomery Twp. I figure everyone there will be enthusiastic about it. 😂
 
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I'm generally pro-nuke.

Trouble is, you have to put them somewhere. And that's become impossible, because of people like you.

They're also "expensive and difficult to maintain". The average, all-in cost of a new nuke plant today approaches a trillion dollars and the duty cycle for a single reactor hovers around 30% - they're offline far more than they're online.

That's new construction. They shut down Indian Point with 10 years of useful life remaining. Madness. And it wasn't people like T2k and me.
 
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I'm working on a plan right now to put a new nuke plant in Montgomery Twp. I figure everyone there will be enthusiastic about it. 😂
Have fun finding land to buy! Already bought up all large land tracts via open space funds.
 
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I am a nuclear guy myself but moving to other energy sources over time is not a bad idea

My FIL was an engineer who was involved in the nuclear plant in Virginia by Lake Anna and also one in the Pacific Northwest. I believe Washington.

The early expense of new innovation is always high. Still smart to do even with missteps or failures. IMHO doing nothing is almost always worse.
 
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In a RUSCREW Administration I would explore placing new Nuclear Generating stations on appropriate military bases in CONUS. If they have a surplus of power (heh heh) they can put it on the grid.

That would sidestep all the Lefties protesting.
 
In a RUSCREW Administration I would explore placing new Nuclear Generating stations on appropriate military bases in CONUS. If they have a surplus of power (heh heh) they can put it on the grid.

That would sidestep all the Lefties protesting.

Nuke plants require extraordinary amounts of water. The vast majority of CONUS mil installations don't have that.
 
whales are dropping like flies in NJ..

Interesting I'm sure you are concerned with whole habitats being wiped out by strip mining for coal in Appalachia with Coal water being dumped into rivers that supply drinking water to thousands and for the construction of the Keystone pipeline across the water supply for an Indian reservation. Those are OK? But 6 whales wash up and now we cant build wind turbines?

Germany had its best day ever for wind energy yesterday. Meanwhile New England Electricity rates are going up because power plants that rely on Natural gas have to buy it at increased rates due to world wide demand.


 
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I've had solar panels on my roof (in Washington Township, Gloucester County) since 2009. We generate more power than we use, and I sell the excess back to PSE&G. I would not consider myself a "lefty" or part of any particular party. I have long hair, wear baseball caps with the bill in the front, and get around in a pickup truck. I have some opinions that align with President Trump, and some with those of Senator Sanders. Nobody can tell what I am when they see me. But damn if tons of people don't get borderline hostile at me when I talk about my panels, talking about crazy liberals and hugging trees and stuff, and "what's wrong with coal and oil?"

Why is innovation "liberal"? It's just innovation. I love coal and oil, too. They've served us well, and I have some peeps in West Virginia who are hurting as we turn away from coal. But I just can't understand why there are so many knee-jerk reactions against solar, nuclear, and wind power innovation. Most of the time these people don't even know why they hate solar power, although they think they do...
 
Interesting I'm sure you are concerned with whole habitats being wiped out by strip mining for coal in Appalachia with Coal water being dumped into rivers that supply drinking water to thousands and for the construction of the Keystone pipeline across the water supply for an Indian reservation. Those are OK? But 6 whales wash up and now we cant build wind turbines?

Germany had its best day ever for wind energy yesterday. Meanwhile New England Electricity rates are going up because power plants that rely on Natural gas have to buy it at increased rates due to world wide demand.



You mean Germany, the country that is not only generating more electricity from renewables but also burning more coal because they shut down virtually all their nukes?
 
I've had solar panels on my roof (in Washington Township, Gloucester County) since 2009. We generate more power than we use, and I sell the excess back to PSE&G. I would not consider myself a "lefty" or part of any particular party. I have long hair, wear baseball caps with the bill in the front, and get around in a pickup truck. I have some opinions that align with President Trump, and some with those of Senator Sanders. Nobody can tell what I am when they see me. But damn if tons of people don't get borderline hostile at me when I talk about my panels, talking about crazy liberals and hugging trees and stuff, and "what's wrong with coal and oil?"

Why is innovation "liberal"? It's just innovation. I love coal and oil, too. They've served us well, and I have some peeps in West Virginia who are hurting as we turn away from coal. But I just can't understand why there are so many knee-jerk reactions against solar, nuclear, and wind power innovation. Most of the time these people don't even know why they hate solar power, although they think they do...

If the innovation works for you that's great. I'm a bit of a technology buff too.

The complaint about Leftists on this issue is that they force it down the public's throat without any actual scientific or economic reason other than virtue signaling global warming or some other BS.

And it's done by folks who do not act as if there is a "climate emergency" (LOL). For example: NIMBY on the offshore wind farms, forcing electric cars on citizens with no plan to increase generating capacity to support them, or bitching about CO2 emissions while flying on private jets to meetings where plans are coordinated to force CO2 restrictions on the rest of us.

Us non Leftists don't like the loss of freedom or hypocrisy.
 
Us non Leftists don't like the loss of freedom or hypocrisy.
LOL. Leftists and Rightists both have a deep and enduring hatred of freedom and love affair with hypocrisy. It just depends on the specific subject is all.

For instance, leftists want to take away our fundamental freedom to defend ourselves against criminals who illegally possess firearms. If we're attacked, tough luck, throw a rock I guess.

And rightists want to take away people's freedom to self-determination over our own bodies. Nothing screams "freedom" more than informing us that the government owns our bodies.

Always cracks me up to see partisans from either side claim the high ground when it comes to freedom or hypocrisy.

Want to be free? The very first step is extricating oneself from up one's chosen political party's butt. Fail to take that step and, regardless of which "side" you choose, you're just another tool being cynically used to build bigger problems for our nation.

How's that for offending almost everyone? 😃
 
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If the innovation works for you that's great. I'm a bit of a technology buff too.

The complaint about Leftists on this issue is that they force it down the public's throat without any actual scientific or economic reason other than virtue signaling global warming or some other BS.

And it's done by folks who do not act as if there is a "climate emergency" (LOL). For example: NIMBY on the offshore wind farms, forcing electric cars on citizens with no plan to increase generating capacity to support them, or bitching about CO2 emissions while flying on private jets to meetings where plans are coordinated to force CO2 restrictions on the rest of us.

Us non Leftists don't like the loss of freedom or hypocrisy.

Please explain how an offshore wind farm impinges upon your personal freedoms.

The reality is that you, personally, would never know they're there. You don't go to the beach and you don't spend any time on offshore vessels. There's zero impact.
 
Thirteen pages of the most astonishing, unhinged and ungrounded retardation this venue has ever seen.

No, offshore wind development isn't magically killing whales.

Forty percent of them are killed by ships.

The rest die from disease and starvation. Then they wash up on the beach, because that's what dead marine mammals do. A sudden spike in occurrences, you say? There are two likely reasons for that. One, there are simply WAY more whales than there were just a few decades ago. And two, persistent higher than normal SSTs equate to reduced food supply for plankton-feeding whales. When their natural migratory patterns interact with consistently warmer (and therefore less nutrient-rich) waters, die-offs are the result.

Nobody is going to see a wind farm while standing on the beach. Even if they're faintly visible from higher vantage points, so what? They will appear, from 15 miles away, as dots on the horizon. This hysteria is 100% fabricated by people who are simply prone to hysteria (like T2k, for example).

Remember - simply complaining about potential solutions without offering additional solutions is, by definition, whining. It's what we expect from 2 year-olds (like T2k). It is not, however, adult behavior.
You are sadly mistaken about your first point. This thread is an order of magnitude more grounded than Al's thread calling for an extension of Schiano.
Regarding the whale deaths, I'd imagine there must be studies that show potential effects on whales. The sudden death of a bunch of whales near the same area does seem like a cause for concern. This seems very unusual.
 
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You are sadly mistaken about your first point. This thread is an order of magnitude more grounded than Al's thread calling for an extension of Schiano.
Regarding the whale deaths, I'd imagine there must be studies that show potential effects on whales. The sudden death of a bunch of whales near the same area does seem like a cause for concern. This seems very unusual.
LOL, Poor Al.

I would definitely like to know what is going on with the whales. I saw two of them on the beach, including one this past weekend (Florida Avenue), and it was sad to see...
 
Thirteen pages of the most astonishing, unhinged and ungrounded retardation this venue has ever seen.

No, offshore wind development isn't magically killing whales.

Forty percent of them are killed by ships.

The rest die from disease and starvation. Then they wash up on the beach, because that's what dead marine mammals do. A sudden spike in occurrences, you say? There are two likely reasons for that. One, there are simply WAY more whales than there were just a few decades ago. And two, persistent higher than normal SSTs equate to reduced food supply for plankton-feeding whales. When their natural migratory patterns interact with consistently warmer (and therefore less nutrient-rich) waters, die-offs are the result.

Nobody is going to see a wind farm while standing on the beach. Even if they're faintly visible from higher vantage points, so what? They will appear, from 15 miles away, as dots on the horizon. This hysteria is 100% fabricated by people who are simply prone to hysteria (like T2k, for example).

Remember - simply complaining about potential solutions without offering additional solutions is, by definition, whining. It's what we expect from 2 year-olds (like T2k). It is not, however, adult behavior.
So you're saying that the 2 equals "years old" and the k equals "kid". Well, it makes perfect sense and all available context clues do support it.

An Ocean City media outlet conjuring a link between dead whales and wind farms. No agenda-driven disinformation there.

Skepticism and critical thinking are in their death-throes in this country. That's what people should be getting hysterical about. Because it's so bad it's a national security issue at this point, way more dangerous to our nation than terrorism or COVID.
 
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You are sadly mistaken about your first point. This thread is an order of magnitude more grounded than Al's thread calling for an extension of Schiano.
Regarding the whale deaths, I'd imagine there must be studies that show potential effects on whales. The sudden death of a bunch of whales near the same area does seem like a cause for concern. This seems very unusual.

The comparison is a red herring.

As for the whales, it isn't "the sudden death of a bunch of whales in the same area", it's dead whales washing ashore in the same area. We don't know where they died - whale carcasses float for months and the prevailing current flow in the Atlantic City area is generally southwest to northeast. The chances that these whales died directly east of the NJ coast are pretty slim.
 
LOL, Poor Al.

I would definitely like to know what is going on with the whales. I saw two of them on the beach, including one this past weekend (Florida Avenue), and it was sad to see...
I would think they can put together a timeline of their estimated deaths alongside the offshore work schedule. This could rule out the work being a potential cause. I would be skeptical that it's strictly a coincidence.
 
You are sadly mistaken about your first point. This thread is an order of magnitude more grounded than Al's thread calling for an extension of Schiano.
Regarding the whale deaths, I'd imagine there must be studies that show potential effects on whales. The sudden death of a bunch of whales near the same area does seem like a cause for concern. This seems very unusual.
Do a web search on "what's killing whales" and start reading. There are a bunch of potential causes, but fishing, collisions and pollution are the most frequently cited.

I'd be curious to see a study that compared the impact of wind farms on whales to the impact of oil/gas production and delivery on whales. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess that wind farms are far less problematic than all the oil and other chemical pollutants produced from manufacturing and shipping oil all over the world.

We may also learn how to construct wind farms in such a way as to repel whales so they don't come close and get fouled by the various cables associated with offshore windfarms. In other words, we can probably solve the issue in a way that allows us to not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Ironically, the same folks who complain about windfarms are likely to complain about any added expense spent on protecting whales.
 
You mean Germany, the country that is not only generating more electricity from renewables but also burning more coal because they shut down virtually all their nukes?
Imagine if they did not have wind power? How much more coal would they need or would they have to buy oil and gas from Russia?
 
I would think they can put together a timeline of their estimated deaths alongside the offshore work schedule. This could rule out the work being a potential cause. I would be skeptical that it's strictly a coincidence.
I don't think there has been any work done on the wind farms yet, except for lobbying and pasting propaganda on the back of jitneys. Maybe I am not well-informed, though. I know there hasn't been anything in or near Atlantic City except arguing...
 
Unintended consequences abound yet some will ignore them to fit their agendas. We'll never learn, especially with the worst/dumbest politicians the world has to offer.
 
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Do a web search on "what's killing whales" and start reading. There are a bunch of potential causes, but fishing, collisions and pollution are the most frequently cited.

I'd be curious to see a study that compared the impact of wind farms on whales to the impact of oil/gas production and delivery on whales. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess that wind farms are far less problematic than all the oil and other chemical pollutants produced from manufacturing and shipping oil all over the world.

We may also learn how to construct wind farms in such a way as to repel whales so they don't come close and get fouled by the various cables associated with offshore windfarms. In other words, we can probably solve the issue in a way that allows us to not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Ironically, the same folks who complain about windfarms are likely to complain about any added expense spent on protecting whales.

Kind of an aside, but have you read about what's happening around Gibraltar?

Cruising boats are consistently reporting attacks by Orcas. The MO is the same. The whales circle the boats, follow them for a while, engage in some bumping and then tear off the rudders. It seems to be happening about once a week or so, in an area roughly between Lisbon and just north of the Canaries.
 
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NJ has 3 nuke plants already. Just give them permission to expand and modernize these sites. Problem solved!

Bladeless wind tech is coming very quickly. No need for loud, hard to maintain windmills that kill wildlife.
Oh no.!! That's bad news for my niece in Wyoming. She's about 4 ft 8 in and weighs about 100lbs and she goes around the country repairing wind turbines.
 
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Do a web search on "what's killing whales" and start reading. There are a bunch of potential causes, but fishing, collisions and pollution are the most frequently cited.

I'd be curious to see a study that compared the impact of wind farms on whales to the impact of oil/gas production and delivery on whales. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess that wind farms are far less problematic than all the oil and other chemical pollutants produced from manufacturing and shipping oil all over the world.

We may also learn how to construct wind farms in such a way as to repel whales so they don't come close and get fouled by the various cables associated with offshore windfarms. In other words, we can probably solve the issue in a way that allows us to not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Ironically, the same folks who complain about windfarms are likely to complain about any added expense spent on protecting whales.
I am going to start a website to blame Dr Fauci for the dead whales. I figure I could raise some money to supplement my retirement and unite both the lefties and the righties.

I bet you were not aware that Captain Ahab was Fauci's maternal great grandfather.

I was told that by JFK Jr. After his plane crash he lived inside the grandson of Moby Dick until he came back in 2016.
 
Do a web search on "what's killing whales" and start reading. There are a bunch of potential causes, but fishing, collisions and pollution are the most frequently cited.

I'd be curious to see a study that compared the impact of wind farms on whales to the impact of oil/gas production and delivery on whales. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess that wind farms are far less problematic than all the oil and other chemical pollutants produced from manufacturing and shipping oil all over the world.

We may also learn how to construct wind farms in such a way as to repel whales so they don't come close and get fouled by the various cables associated with offshore windfarms. In other words, we can probably solve the issue in a way that allows us to not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Ironically, the same folks who complain about windfarms are likely to complain about any added expense spent on protecting whales.
It's not the wind farm but the sonar work that's being suggested as a potential issue.
 
Imagine if they did not have wind power? How much more coal would they need or would they have to buy oil and gas from Russia?

And imagine if they let the nukes operate through their useful life how much less coal they would have burned.
 
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