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OT: DEVASTATING WILDFIRE ….Santa Monica/Palisades fire being aided by 50-80mph Santa Ana winds. 100mph possible overnight

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This just gets worse by the minute. Heart goes out to the residents but how did these folks end up in charge. They drained an entire reservoir that flows into the hydrants because of environmental concerns? How does that work?

she didnt want to say it but good for her for finally doing it....also doesnt some billionare Reznicks control the water supply in California..big buddies of those elected officials in California
 
Can I ask a probably dumb question?

Why can’t they use the Pacific Ocean for fire fighting - both local and Forrest?

Is it because of the salt and pipe corrosion?
I've been wondering this myself. LA is right next to the biggest body of water in the world lol. My buddy and I were talking about this today. His wife is from the South of France. They have a similar wildfire problem there and this is exactly what they do- use planes to scoop large amounts of water from the Mediterranean and dump it on the fire.
 
I picked that up too but I don’t want to be too critical. How does the fire chief in a city as big as LA not know how the water gets to the fire hydrants? Even in small towns around here. I see fire companies check the working order of hydrants and the water system.
Where did the chief say she did not know how water gets to fire hydrants? Where do you see fire departments checking working order of fire hydrants? Been a firefighter for 40 years in several fie departments, and we never checked hydrants. 30 or 40 years ago, we may have flushed hydrants, but have not done that for 30 years.

As for the Chief's interview, she is 100% correct. And good on her for calling out her government agencies for faIling the people of Los Angeles. She has a bigger set than many of the amateur experts taking shots at her.
 
Where did the chief say she did not know how water gets to fire hydrants? Where do you see fire departments checking working order of fire hydrants? Been a firefighter for 40 years in several fie departments, and we never checked hydrants. 30 or 40 years ago, we may have flushed hydrants, but have not done that for 30 years.

As for the Chief's interview, she is 100% correct. And good on her for calling out her government agencies for faIling the people of Los Angeles. She has a bigger set than many of the amateur experts taking shots at her.
She said it in the video but I will go back and watch it again to see if I’m wrong. I see towns all over Monmouth and ocean counties running hydrants. Maybe they are flushing them as you say but if the hydrant failed during the flushing I’m sure it would be reported. I would also think part of the chiefs administrative role is meeting with those in charge of the water supply to ensure it works when needed.
 
Pretty sure the 2, now 1 yellow super scoopers were scooping off the ocean
I think, but not positive since I didn’t see the pictures, those might be the ones they borrow from Canada.
Where did the chief say she did not know how water gets to fire hydrants? Where do you see fire departments checking working order of fire hydrants? Been a firefighter for 40 years in several fie departments, and we never checked hydrants. 30 or 40 years ago, we may have flushed hydrants, but have not done that for 30 years.

As for the Chief's interview, she is 100% correct. And good on her for calling out her government agencies for faIling the people of Los Angeles. She has a bigger set than many of the amateur experts taking shots at her.
In my town, the public works department does it. Because the FD is all volunteer.

We do it in the City ourselves. Twice a year. Fall and Spring. My administrative area is relatively small. Only around 500 hydrants

Some companies have thousands.
 
Chief just went on CNN and went deeper into the blame game. Claims she has spent the past three years telling government they are understaffed and underfunded for fire response in the city. Wow! Usually don’t see this play out in public.et

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The impression I get is that she kept quiet initially but took the gloves off when it became clear they were going to throw her under the bus.
 
Chief just went on CNN and went deeper into the blame game. Claims she has spent the past three years telling government they are understaffed and underfunded for fire response in the city. Wow! Usually don’t see this play out in public.

This Chief is going to have a very hard time holding onto her job. When you think about it, successfully throwing the mayor and city council under the bus is really her only hope. The pols will scapegoat her and her department if she doesn’t get out front. Seems like she’s done the political calculations here and it’s game on for assigning the blame. Popcorn time ahead for patriots.
 
This Chief is going to have a very hard time holding onto her job. When you think about it, successfully throwing the mayor and city council under the bus is really her only hope. The pols will scapegoat her and her department if she doesn’t get out front. Seems like she’s done the political calculations here and it’s game on for assigning the blame. Popcorn time ahead for patriots.
Yup she is probably done. Will change and competence actually happen when this is all done and the fires are out? We will see
 
Chief just went on CNN and went deeper into the blame game. Claims she has spent the past three years telling government they are understaffed and underfunded for fire response in the city. Wow! Usually don’t see this play out in public.


The impression I get is that she kept quiet initially but took the gloves off when it became clear they were going to throw her under the bus.

This Chief is going to have a very hard time holding onto her job. When you think about it, successfully throwing the mayor and city council under the bus is really her only hope. The pols will scapegoat her and her department if she doesn’t get out front. Seems like she’s done the political calculations here and it’s game on for assigning the blame. Popcorn time ahead for patriots.

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She said it in the video but I will go back and watch it again to see if I’m wrong. I see towns all over Monmouth and ocean counties running hydrants. Maybe they are flushing them as you say but if the hydrant failed during the flushing I’m sure it would be reported. I would also think part of the chiefs administrative role is meeting with those in charge of the water supply to ensure it works when needed.
Nope on Monmouth County. Flushing is not what the fire departments do in our immediate area, except in rare instances. Maybe you are seeing your local FD out on training night running the hydrants. IDK. We don't "check" or flush hydrants. Sure, if one is not working or has an issue, it gets reported to the after the department. Nope, not aware of Chiefs meeting with the water department to ensure it is working. It's a given. As the LA Chief said, when we hook up to a hydrant, we expect it to work. And rewatching the video - she said that she did not know where the water comes from---but I think that refers to which water supply a particular hydrant may be fed from.
 
The impression I get is that she kept quiet initially but took the gloves off when it became clear they were going to throw her under the bus.
I don't think she is wrong. I said somewhere above in this thread is the fire department is going to do the best they can do with the resources provided. That includes water supply. On single building fires, it is somewhat easy to adapt, and bring in water tenders (also known as tankers). On an incident as large in scope as the past week, there is not much the fire department do when the water supply is depleted and cannot supply sufficient water and gallons per minute to fight a fire.
 
Sent via an e-mail group- The Secret List:
video (with radio traffic)
from 1962, shows the Bel-Air, Brentwood, and Santa Ynez Fires in Los Angeles, November, 1961.
You will see scenes of homes and commercial structure burning completely out of control. Measures to prevent similar tragedies are stressed….
1962
2025

Not much has changed other than more
combustible structures being added with blatantly predictable outcomes. And not for the lack of generations of fire officials warning the legitimacy over and over and over again.

 
Nope on Monmouth County. Flushing is not what the fire departments do in our immediate area, except in rare instances. Maybe you are seeing your local FD out on training night running the hydrants. IDK. We don't "check" or flush hydrants. Sure, if one is not working or has an issue, it gets reported to the after the department. Nope, not aware of Chiefs meeting with the water department to ensure it is working. It's a given. As the LA Chief said, when we hook up to a hydrant, we expect it to work. And rewatching the video - she said that she did not know where the water comes from---but I think that refers to which water supply a particular hydrant may be fed from.
Thanks for the information. It also appears you are likely correct in terms of LA. I’m seeing reports that LA has someone designated as the CEO of The L A DPW Water and Power supply. That persons role is to manage all water supply including water flowing to hydrants.
 
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Chief just went on CNN and went deeper into the blame game. Claims she has spent the past three years telling government they are understaffed and underfunded for fire response in the city. Wow! Usually don’t see this play out in public.

Outside of the fact she hits on my wife I’m starting to have a lot of respect for her. People are paying attention.
 

Crowley's criticism extends beyond the immediate crisis, pointing to a systemic failure to scale the fire department's capabilities alongside the city's explosive growth.
'We know we need 62 new fire stations. We need to double the size of our firefighters,' she said. 'The growth of this city since 1960 has doubled, and we have less fire stations.'
The fire chief called out city officials for ignoring 'real data' that supports the fire department's repeated requests for increased funding.
Emphasizing the non-political nature of her role, she said, 'None of us on the fire department are politicians. We're public servants first. We took an oath to serve the public before ourselves and even before our families.
'What our people need to do their jobs is to make sure that we can save lives and that we can protect property to the greatest capacity,' Crowley said. 'But we need to be funded appropriately. And that's where my head is at.'


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...kristin-crowley-after-lashing-out/ar-BB1rfWGZ
 
Thanks for the information. It also appears you are likely correct in terms of LA. I’m seeing reports that LA has someone designated as the CEO of The L A DPW Water and Power supply. That persons role is to manage all water supply including water flowing to hydrants.
Until @e5fdny posted the info, I had no idea FDNY did their own hydrant flushing.
 
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