OT: Kansas - Kansas State brawl

[Scarlet83]

Maybe I’m old school. In baseball, if you stole second up 9 in the 8th, the batter better not dig in too aggressively because he may have to avoid one coming at his ear on the next pitch.

It’s not all “you play until the final whistle” nonsense, respect the game and your opponent. I’m not excusing the Kansas reactions, but the scrub on KSU absolutely started it with his down 30 heroics.

We are talking about the LOSING team (KSU in this video) has the right to play until the final whistle. The winning team, on offense, should not get all offended and pissy and aggressive if the losing team is playing to the final whistle. It’s called not giving up. And the winning team should protect the ball on offense until 0:00.

We all learned this stuff in Rec League.

 

[scarlet_fort]

there was not 2 min left in the Kansas game, there was 10 seconds left. the guy with the ball was standing at half court dribbling out the clock.

i am pretty surprised there are guys that believe this is OK. like other examples given, you don't jump over the line in victory formation, you don't steal 2nd base up 10-0 in the top of the 9th. if that guy passes to a teammate, and the defender on him is picking his ass as he should be, and that guy with the ball throws down a windmall, all hell breaks loose. works both ways.

the reference to Schiano doing it against the giants is horrible as Tampa didn't even need a TD to win the game

 

[Scarlet83]

When the shot clock is off and the winning team has possession and the game is not in doubt, each team still has one job.

Winning team, you don’t try to score.

Losing team, get ready to start shaking hands.

Anything else is bush and I guaran-f’ing-tee you Pike agrees with me. That’s why you won’t see Geo Jack a 3 in that situation as the winner, or go for a steal and dunk as the loser.

Not hard.

or the losing team can still play basketball. It is their choice. What is so wrong with continuing to play?

 

[Arizona Knight]

or the losing team can still play basketball. It is their choice. What is so wrong with continuing to play?

They had 39:30 to show how good they are and failed. Game was over.

I can assure you, should we find ourselves down by 20 tonight, with Iowa dribbling it out flat footed, you won’t see MM sneak a steal and layup in to lose by 18 at the buzzer.

If you don’t disagree you should really just stop.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

The only problems i have here are DeSousa picking up the stool and more importantly, the NCAA for bringing the players back out to play 0.1 seconds of basketball. That’s the dumbest s*** I’ve ever seen. Lucky they didn’t start going HAM again.

As someone who has played a lot of ball over the years, there is a standard “code” here. If you are down big but still want to play agressive on the ball D till the final whistle, that’s fine. If you keep that intensity and cop a steal with a few seconds left and score, that’s fine. If you take the pedal off your D, then sprint in with a few seconds left and steal the ball, that’s fine, but you’re ending up in the stands on the runout (and don’t clap back if youre the guy who stole the ball and ended up on his ass).

That’s how most players would handle the situation. DeSousa shouldnt have hung over the guy, get your one liner in then head back to the bench.

Clearly de sousa IMMEDIATELY knew what he did in picking up the chair was wrong. He never attempted to swing it and after he dropped it he calmly said to his coach “im good im good”. There should be minimal punishment.

 

[ancienthooper]

Game was OVER (:05 seconds). His coach told them to back off, the kid didn't listen, and he wasn't competing...he was looking to put 2 more points on his stat sheet.

These "play until the last second" board guys are the same guys at the Y who dive at your knees, cut your legs out, and when you go up for a shot put their foot on the spot on the floor you just vacated so you roll your ankle when you come down.

 

[Scarlet83]

They had 39:30 to show how good they are and failed. Game was over.

I can assure you, should we find ourselves down by 20 tonight, with Iowa dribbling it out flat footed, you won’t see MM sneak a steal and layup in to lose by 18 at the buzzer.

If you don’t disagree you should really just stop.

I don’t agree. Some coaches and teams prefer to play the whole game. It’s not your choice, it is the choice of that coach and that team exclusively. Sorry, bro.

We disagree and this will be my last reply to you on this.

Go Knights!

 

[Big boy stan]

So slight hyperbole by me, but that’s so weak to steal and dunk when game is over. You lost champ. Save the energy so you can get within 30 of your next opponent.

I am on the side of the KSU player should not have gone for the steal/layup. The fact is that in this situation, the team winning (Kansas) is doing them losing team a favor by not trying to score on them. No need to make them regret that decision.

With that said, De Sousa had the chance to make a nice highlight by blocking that layup cleanly and then walking away. Would have made the KSU player look even worse.

BTW, isn't DeSousa the guy that missed a bunch of games for taking money and then got reinstated?

 

[hoquat63]

So how do you play to the guys feel about McQueery at Penn State throwing that pass vs RU?

 

[wisr01]

De Sousa suspended indefinitely.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...uspended-indefinitely-role-brawl-kansas-state

 

[RU848789]

I don’t agree. Some coaches and teams prefer to play the whole game. It’s not your choice, it is the choice of that coach and that team exclusively. Sorry, bro.

We disagree and this will be my last reply to you on this.

Go Knights!

The KSU coach said he called his players off, so the one guy who stole the ball clearly didn't listen. I don't really care if teams play to the final second or not in a blowout (the vast majority don't, which is what I would do, but if a few want to, so be it), but that's not the issue here. Regardless of the last play, there's simply no way to condone an all-out brawl in the handicapped fan section with punching, stomping and brandishing of chairs. That's the issue here and I'll be amazed if De Sousa, in particular, ever plays for Kansas again.

 

[AshCatchEm]

I was gonna say..the fighting itself isn't the issue. Multiple 7 footers stomping through the handicap section like they are the ents in lord of the rings is an issue.

In the picture where the chair is being held, if you look at the players leg, a woman is literally holding on for dear life having fallen over.

 

[Arizona Knight]

So for those of us pining for the days of the student section closer to the court, I think you can thank Kansas and Kansas state for ruining that.

 

[JAAKAttack2016]

First let me say congrats on what is already a great basketball season for Rutgers, but seeing what occurred in the Kansas-Kansas State is crazy.

https://army.forums.rivals.com/thre...-college-basketball-on-espn.11102/#post-76926

 

[toby83]

+1 for the dangling the handicapped folk over the court supporters. Much safer.

 

[toby83]

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[RU848789]

Clearly de sousa IMMEDIATELY knew what he did in picking up the chair was wrong. He never attempted to swing it and after he dropped it he calmly said to his coach “im good im good”. There should be minimal punishment.

Yeah, like he IMMEDIATELY knew it was wrong to stand over the fallen player and throw (and land) multiple punches in a brawl in the handicapped section. He's a POS and I like I said last night I doubt he'll ever play for Kansas again and the fact that he's already been suspended indefinitely means the grown-ups in charge recognize how egregious his behavior (and that of others) was, even if you're too blind to see it. What would cause you to suspend a player - manslaughter maybe?



https://thespun.com/big-12/kansas-jayhawks/new-video-angle-emerges-from-kansas-kansas-state-brawl

 

[Arizona Knight]

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What a gutsy play. That kid’s a real gamer. Plays to the whistle. Wish we had 12 of those studs.

Christ.

 

[Scarlet83]

The KSU coach said he called his players off, so the one guy who stole the ball clearly didn't listen. I don't really care if teams play to the final second or not in a blowout (the vast majority don't, which is what I would do, but if a few want to, so be it), but that's not the issue here. Regardless of the last play, there's simply no way to condone an all-out brawl in the handicapped fan section with punching, stomping and brandishing of chairs. That's the issue here and I'll be amazed if De Sousa, in particular, ever plays for Kansas again.

Agreed.

 

[Scarlet83]

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Now that was a funny post! Nice job, Toby!

 

[Big boy stan]

In watching that last video, I think the chair gets knocked out of De Sousa's hand by someone behind him. I dont think he dropped it. He clearly looks behind him to see what happened to it.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It is a good thing Gilbert Arenas is an Arizona alum and wasnt at the game.

 

[Russ Wood]

Really I would be surprised if he does too

I wouldn't.

Not that he's been a key contributor. Can't kick him off the team because his handler will call the NCAA & be like "Boys, do I have a story to tell you."

 

[Russ Wood]

I think someone took it out of his hands. He did not drop it.

I believe it was an Assistant Coach.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I wouldn't.

Not that he's been a key contributor. Can't kick him off the team because his handler will call the NCAA & be like "Boys, do I have a story to tell you."

can you add a little color to this for the naive person that i am

 

[Scarlet83]

can you add a little color to this for the naive person that i am

I think the story could be about his $recruitment$?

 

[derleider]

They had 39:30 to show how good they are and failed. Game was over.

I can assure you, should we find ourselves down by 20 tonight, with Iowa dribbling it out flat footed, you won’t see MM sneak a steal and layup in to lose by 18 at the buzzer.

If you don’t disagree you should really just stop.

So what? Them being poor sports isnt a reason to start a brawl. You won by 20. Let them look like petty idiots.

 

[Arizona Knight]

So what? Them being poor sports isnt a reason to start a brawl. You won by 20. Let them look like petty idiots.

At least you understand the KSU player was an idiot. Some are defending him.

 

[RUBOB72]

The issue isn’t that the KS player was trying to score on the steal or whether DeSousa ‘s hard block on the driving attempt was a flagrant foul ... he stood over the guy attempting to look like a tough guy ... as for the chair ... it was a possible weapon make no mistake... it could have really gone south...DeSousa will be back within 2 games as the Coach (Bill Self ) Kansas , KU Administration and the NCAA will make the seriousness go away... you could guarantee had this occurred with Rutgers the News Media itself would be up in arms demanding the player be separated from the school or minimally he be suspended the remainder of season ... DeSousa and players on both squads need a message sent...btw I hope the lady involved sues their ass.

 

[RU848789]

So what? Them being poor sports isnt a reason to start a brawl. You won by 20. Let them look like petty idiots.

Holy shit, derleider is that you? That's way more important than a stupid brawl out on the prairie - you back for awhile? Things are getting interesting at good old RU...

 

[Pils86]

My take.
If Kansas tried to dunk in that situation I would say poor sportsmanship.
KSU trying to score is to make it less ugly in the box score, getting to 61, tacky but not a big deal.
For the steal the kid showed he was playing D so the ball handler should have protected it.
OK with the hard foul, (was a foul called? it was blatant) but not with the taunting.
The chair dude released it pretty quickly when someone gave it a slight pull, I think he realized it was wrong quickly and did not even swing it, so this is not that big of a deal.
Stomping on someone when they are down is a really bad look.
Multiple players should be suspended on both sides.

 

[ru66]

"added that he had been in contact with a woman who was caught in the middle" -- forget your reasons for defending or not defending either side--doesn't matter , people actually got hurt --no excuses

 

[dvb91]

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Considering this happened to KU earlier this year, I can understand why they wouldn't want to be 'posterized' by such a bush league play. As Weber called off the dogs, the player stealing the ball is rather like sailing under false colors. The KSU coach & the rest of the team were ready for the clock to just tick away, but someone just had to get their time in the spotlight. Weak sauce. I'd think he might be in for a bit of extra duties after practice after putting the team in a bad position.

Of course, this is not to excuse the extracurricular activities after the block. Being a rivalry game probably heightened the emotions and helped lead to the taunting, but it De Sousa should've just walked away. As it is, he might just have to walk away from KU.

 

[Scarlet83]

So what? Them being poor sports isnt a reason to start a brawl. You won by 20. Let them look like petty idiots.

welcome back!

 

[ClassOf02]

Lots of nitpicking here. The steal and the block/taunt are examples of poor sportsmanship. There are countless examples of that across multiple sports.

A brawl spilling into a handicapped spectator area and brandishing a stool above your head as a potential weapon is a whole other world of unacceptability.

Who/What started it doesn’t matter all that much. The resulting behavior does.

 

[Caliknight]

ITT I can identify all the guys that crapped their pants with fury when Schiano told his Bucs to play til the final gun vs. their precious, precious Giants and then cheered like little princesses at the Ice Capades when that old feeb Coughlin started yelling at him.

Play and play hard til the last second ticks off.

And yes I'm aware this game wasn't in doubt.

It's a coaching technique. Play till the whistle. I would be glad as a coach if my guy stole the ball and went in an tried to hammer it home. That's a kid who cares. Give me a team full of em.

 

[LC-88]

So how do you play to the guys feel about McQueery at Penn State throwing that pass vs RU?

No way McQueery did that on his own. He was following Jopas orders. Needed to beat the spread.

 

[rutgersguy1]

 

[rutger80]

I actually don't think it was poor sportsmanship on the part of the KSU player. Maybe he got a bit excited and wanted a bucket at Kansas. What would define poor sportsmanship is if the losing team was dribbling out the clock and someone from a team up by 20+ stole the ball and went in to score.

 

[Russ Wood]

can you add a little color to this for the naive person that i am

No. Use Google.

Search "Silvio De Sousa, Kansas" then go to page 2 or 3 to find the color you seek.