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I'm on my fourth leased A4 from Hermen Miller in Parsippany.
I have no need for anything better.
Free service
All wheel drive
Get a great deal with my re-up every three years.
Going on 12 years and I've never paid a dime for parts.
 
I'm on my fourth leased A4 from Hermen Miller in Parsippany.
I have no need for anything better.
Free service
All wheel drive
Get a great deal with my re-up every three years.
Going on 12 years and I've never paid a dime for parts.

I'm trying to get my wife to let me replace hers. She's all like "but I like my car". I say "so, you'll like the new one better".

Wimmin. Sheesh.
 
I'm on my fourth leased A4 from Hermen Miller in Parsippany.
I have no need for anything better.
Free service
All wheel drive
Get a great deal with my re-up every three years.
Going on 12 years and I've never paid a dime for parts.
Certainly a nice car, '17 styling change is understated but that is typically par for the course with Audi. As far as the maintenance, its def not free.
 
I'm on my fourth leased A4 from Hermen Miller in Parsippany.
I have no need for anything better.
Free service
All wheel drive
Get a great deal with my re-up every three years.
Going on 12 years and I've never paid a dime for parts.

Similar but with a 5 series. Meh to those who trash it. It's a great car.
 
i'll go a little off topic.

i think one of GM failings, is it's marriage to the old school logos.

that yellow in the Chevy logo looks bad on anything other than a yellow car.

and the outline of Chevy's main logo outline isn't symetrical, which i don't like.

and i Caddy logo has a lot of red in it, and just looks old school bulky.

on further thought, i think it just looks a little too gaudy. (though their cars look great other than that).

GM needs to go sleeker with the logos, and lose all the color.

take the trim off, and you can't tell one manufacturer from another.

trim matters.

on the other side, i think Audi has far and away the coolest looking logo, and i think that elevates the look of their cars.
 
I am actually currently in the process of buying a new car, so have test drove quite a few in this class. FTR I currently own a 2010 Audi S4 6MT, and having a 6MT is a huge preference. That being said the lack of manual transmission cars on dealer lots makes test driving cars with a manual transmission almost impossible (nearest 2 BMW dealers did not have a single manual transmission car on their lot).

Anyway, I test drove the following cars recently:

2016 Cadillac ATS 3.6 AWD - Loved the 3.6L V6. Even though my last 3 cars have all been forced induction motors I cannot deny that normally aspirated engines are so much smoother and more responsive. If Cadillac would offer the ATS with a 3.6L engine and a 6MT that is probably the car I would be buying. I considered dropping down to the 2.0T engine to get the manual transmission but after driven some later cars decided to go in a different directions. The ATS is extremely well balanced and very nimble. Although its absolute handling limits are likely lower than my current car (S4), it was actually more fun to drive because it was so much eager to turn. The combination of being a bit smaller and being significantly lighter is a huge handling advantage for the ATS. The Alpha chassis is generally considered one of the best chassis on the market today and after driving one I totally understood why it has gotten so much praise.

2016 Audi S3 - This car offers no manual period, but wanted to test drive it anyway. Loved the DSG transmission for what it is (a super fast shifting automatic with dual clutches instead of a traditional torque converter) and from a pure mix of driving fun and interior refinement this was probably the best car I drove. I very nearly ordered one, but 2016 are out of production and 2017's were not yet available (and there was literally no car on the East Coast that matched what I wanted as far as colors and options). In a way I am glad I was forced to wait, but will explain why later.

2016 BMW 228i - Drove an automatic at the local (well, as local as I could find, which is still a ~35-45 minute drive) dealer. It was a fun little car, but even though it is more balanced than the S3 I preferred the S3. The AWD in the S3 is very rudimentary (Haldex AWD rather than true Torsen style AWD that I have in my S4) but in normal driving situations you cannot tell. The interior was much nicer in the S3. I was kind of surprised by how downmarket the interior looked. Of all the cars I test drove the interior in this car was the least refined (which will probably surprise some). As far practicality is concerned the 2-series was already a bit of a stretch...I prefer 4 doors as I do take people out to lunch/dinner occasionally and like to have a useful back seat. The backseat in the 2-series wasn't necessarily too small (although it is certainly a tight fit), but getting back there wasn't easy. I don't personally have any physical infirmities (39 years old and no health issues to speak of and in reasonably good shape) but anyone who is older and not nimble would not be able to use this back seat I don't think. If you are someone that simply wants the car that is the most fun to drive and you don't need a back seat however I would certainly recommend checking this car out. It was very fun to drive with the automatic and I suspect would be even more fun with a manual transmission. Note that it is also available with a >300HP turbocharged I6 and, if you are willing to wait in line and/or pay over MSRP you can also get an M2.

2016 BMW 328xi - I drove this car after the 228i. Generally speaking I prefer AWD and this car is technically smaller and lighter than my current car, so I wanted to give it a shot. The interior was, not surprisingly, nicer than the 228i but IMHO it was not as nice as the S3. The S3 was almost significantly more fun to drive (mainly because it is significantly smaller). Additionally, despite the lower weight this car was not any more fun to drive than my current car. So while I don't consider it a bad car it was not really in contention as a replacement.

2014 BMW 335xi (CPO) - Drove this car mainly out of curiosity. It has the M-sport package and was definitely more fun to drive than the 328i, but IMHO was not as nice as my S4 and definitely not as fun to drive as the S3. I feel like the engine was easily the equal of my car, FWIW. It is only rated at 300 HP (my car is rated at 333 HP), but this is probably very conservative.

2016 Chevrolet SS - This is actually the car that started me on the path of looking at new cars. Early in July Chevy had a 20% off sale that surprisingly applied even to this relatively limited edition car (they only make/sell a few hundred of them per month). For those that are not family with the car it is build on the Omega platform which is similar to the old Sigma Platform used by the Cadillac CTS. It is a lower cost version so it used more steel in place of aluminum and doesn't have the same levels of sound deadening as a Cadillac. What it does have, however, is a 415 HP small block V8 (6.2L engine). Its an old school engine that makes power the good old fashion way...displacement. For those that are not familiar with engine technology, the small block Chevy uses an old school OHV set up. This means it can only have two valves per cylinder and by their nature having the valves positioned the way they are the engines themselves have trouble revving as high as (dual or single) OHC engines. The upside, however, is that OHV engines are also "cam in block" engines...which means the overall packaging of the engine is much more compact. If you ever see a small block Chevy V8 (which have displacements as high as 7.0 liters) physically sitting next to a DOHC V6 or V8 you would be astonished...the OHV engines as so much small on the outside even though the engine displacement is much higher. ANYWAY! I could only drive this car with an automatic at the time (no local dealers had a manual version in stock). I tried to work with a local dealer to obtain a manual version via dealer trade but since I only found out about the sale after the July 4th holiday it seemed like most manual cars had already been sold (car enthusiasts across the country jumped all over this sale when they found out). By July 8th GM instituted a "stop sale" on the Chevy SS due to a pending recall which meant dealers were no longer allowed to sell them. Unfortunately this stop sale is still in effect today and rumors are it will be October before a fix to the recall will be available. I was still considering ordering a new 2017 model even without the 20%, but of the cars I was seriously consider that would make it the most expensive, albeit not by a lot.

After driving all of the above I took some time off test driving. In my mind I was down to either ordering the Chevy SS or waiting to order the Audi S3. On another forum I post in someone suggested I try out a different car - the Volkswagen Golf R. For those not familiar, this Golf R is essentially the same car as the Audi S3 but simply with a different interior and exterior shell. FWIW, the car I owned prior to purchasing my current car was a VW GTI, so I am not really against VW, there just are not many dealers around my area. Anyway I took it under consideration but since dealers are so sparce in the area the nearest one I could find was a good hour and 45 minutes away (VW Princeton, FWIW). They had a fully loaded 6MT one on the lot. I took a half day last week to go test drive it in the afternoon and...I loved it. Now granted the interior is not a nice or refined as the S3 but it is just as, if not more, fun to drive. To me the trade off of being able to get a 6MT was worth losing some of the features the S3 offered versus the Golf R (sunroof, magnetic shocks, virtual instrument cluster). After thinking about it over the weekend I went ahead and put my deposit down (over the phone since it is too long of a drive) this past Monday. I am planning to drive up and take delivery tomorrow (Friday).
 
I am actually currently in the process of buying a new car, so have test drove quite a few in this class. FTR I currently own a 2010 Audi S4 6MT, and having a 6MT is a huge preference. That being said the lack of manual transmission cars on dealer lots makes test driving cars with a manual transmission almost impossible (nearest 2 BMW dealers did not have a single manual transmission car on their lot).

Anyway, I test drove the following cars recently:

2016 Cadillac ATS 3.6 AWD - Loved the 3.6L V6. Even though my last 3 cars have all been forced induction motors I cannot deny that normally aspirated engines are so much smoother and more responsive. If Cadillac would offer the ATS with a 3.6L engine and a 6MT that is probably the car I would be buying. I considered dropping down to the 2.0T engine to get the manual transmission but after driven some later cars decided to go in a different directions. The ATS is extremely well balanced and very nimble. Although its absolute handling limits are likely lower than my current car (S4), it was actually more fun to drive because it was so much eager to turn. The combination of being a bit smaller and being significantly lighter is a huge handling advantage for the ATS. The Alpha chassis is generally considered one of the best chassis on the market today and after driving one I totally understood why it has gotten so much praise.

2016 Audi S3 - This car offers no manual period, but wanted to test drive it anyway. Loved the DSG transmission for what it is (a super fast shifting automatic with dual clutches instead of a traditional torque converter) and from a pure mix of driving fun and interior refinement this was probably the best car I drove. I very nearly ordered one, but 2016 are out of production and 2017's were not yet available (and there was literally no car on the East Coast that matched what I wanted as far as colors and options). In a way I am glad I was forced to wait, but will explain why later.

2016 BMW 228i - Drove an automatic at the local (well, as local as I could find, which is still a ~35-45 minute drive) dealer. It was a fun little car, but even though it is more balanced than the S3 I preferred the S3. The AWD in the S3 is very rudimentary (Haldex AWD rather than true Torsen style AWD that I have in my S4) but in normal driving situations you cannot tell. The interior was much nicer in the S3. I was kind of surprised by how downmarket the interior looked. Of all the cars I test drove the interior in this car was the least refined (which will probably surprise some). As far practicality is concerned the 2-series was already a bit of a stretch...I prefer 4 doors as I do take people out to lunch/dinner occasionally and like to have a useful back seat. The backseat in the 2-series wasn't necessarily too small (although it is certainly a tight fit), but getting back there wasn't easy. I don't personally have any physical infirmities (39 years old and no health issues to speak of and in reasonably good shape) but anyone who is older and not nimble would not be able to use this back seat I don't think. If you are someone that simply wants the car that is the most fun to drive and you don't need a back seat however I would certainly recommend checking this car out. It was very fun to drive with the automatic and I suspect would be even more fun with a manual transmission. Note that it is also available with a >300HP turbocharged I6 and, if you are willing to wait in line and/or pay over MSRP you can also get an M2.

2016 BMW 328xi - I drove this car after the 228i. Generally speaking I prefer AWD and this car is technically smaller and lighter than my current car, so I wanted to give it a shot. The interior was, not surprisingly, nicer than the 228i but IMHO it was not as nice as the S3. The S3 was almost significantly more fun to drive (mainly because it is significantly smaller). Additionally, despite the lower weight this car was not any more fun to drive than my current car. So while I don't consider it a bad car it was not really in contention as a replacement.

2014 BMW 335xi (CPO) - Drove this car mainly out of curiosity. It has the M-sport package and was definitely more fun to drive than the 328i, but IMHO was not as nice as my S4 and definitely not as fun to drive as the S3. I feel like the engine was easily the equal of my car, FWIW. It is only rated at 300 HP (my car is rated at 333 HP), but this is probably very conservative.

2016 Chevrolet SS - This is actually the car that started me on the path of looking at new cars. Early in July Chevy had a 20% off sale that surprisingly applied even to this relatively limited edition car (they only make/sell a few hundred of them per month). For those that are not family with the car it is build on the Omega platform which is similar to the old Sigma Platform used by the Cadillac CTS. It is a lower cost version so it used more steel in place of aluminum and doesn't have the same levels of sound deadening as a Cadillac. What it does have, however, is a 415 HP small block V8 (6.2L engine). Its an old school engine that makes power the good old fashion way...displacement. For those that are not familiar with engine technology, the small block Chevy uses an old school OHV set up. This means it can only have two valves per cylinder and by their nature having the valves positioned the way they are the engines themselves have trouble revving as high as (dual or single) OHC engines. The upside, however, is that OHV engines are also "cam in block" engines...which means the overall packaging of the engine is much more compact. If you ever see a small block Chevy V8 (which have displacements as high as 7.0 liters) physically sitting next to a DOHC V6 or V8 you would be astonished...the OHV engines as so much small on the outside even though the engine displacement is much higher. ANYWAY! I could only drive this car with an automatic at the time (no local dealers had a manual version in stock). I tried to work with a local dealer to obtain a manual version via dealer trade but since I only found out about the sale after the July 4th holiday it seemed like most manual cars had already been sold (car enthusiasts across the country jumped all over this sale when they found out). By July 8th GM instituted a "stop sale" on the Chevy SS due to a pending recall which meant dealers were no longer allowed to sell them. Unfortunately this stop sale is still in effect today and rumors are it will be October before a fix to the recall will be available. I was still considering ordering a new 2017 model even without the 20%, but of the cars I was seriously consider that would make it the most expensive, albeit not by a lot.

After driving all of the above I took some time off test driving. In my mind I was down to either ordering the Chevy SS or waiting to order the Audi S3. On another forum I post in someone suggested I try out a different car - the Volkswagen Golf R. For those not familiar, this Golf R is essentially the same car as the Audi S3 but simply with a different interior and exterior shell. FWIW, the car I owned prior to purchasing my current car was a VW GTI, so I am not really against VW, there just are not many dealers around my area. Anyway I took it under consideration but since dealers are so sparce in the area the nearest one I could find was a good hour and 45 minutes away (VW Princeton, FWIW). They had a fully loaded 6MT one on the lot. I took a half day last week to go test drive it in the afternoon and...I loved it. Now granted the interior is not a nice or refined as the S3 but it is just as, if not more, fun to drive. To me the trade off of being able to get a 6MT was worth losing some of the features the S3 offered versus the Golf R (sunroof, magnetic shocks, virtual instrument cluster). After thinking about it over the weekend I went ahead and put my deposit down (over the phone since it is too long of a drive) this past Monday. I am planning to drive up and take delivery tomorrow (Friday).

You hit the nail on the head. Without MT, a car is a car. Just get a reliable one.

Also, great call with the Golf R. I envy you.
 
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After the SHITE that VW pulled. my mind is blown that people keep buying them. Its been like 40 years since GM spit out all of those god forsaken cars of the 70s and 80s and people STILL can't forgive them. But you have those guys sitting in Germany who essentially committed fraud and sold fraudulent cars and you guys just keep on buying audis and vws.

MY MIND IS BLOWN. They should be banished from selling cars in the US for 20 years as punishment.

and i'm not knocking their cars, the cars are good. But they should get the same treatment as you guys give the domestics.
 
The Golf R is a great car. I have an A3 (2015) right now and have, for the last few days, been softening up the wife with pictures of the '17 S3.

There's a simple reason why I would prefer the S3 of the Golf R - profile. Like @TonyLieske, I am also a previous GTI owner and have also owned two A4s. I can pretty much drive the Audis however I want but when I had my GTI I was getting stopped on a regular basis. The cops seem more inclined to go after the Volkswagens.
 
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i'll go a little off topic.

i think one of GM failings, is it's marriage to the old school logos.

that yellow in the Chevy logo looks bad on anything other than a yellow car.

and the outline of Chevy's main logo outline isn't symetrical, which i don't like.

and i Caddy logo has a lot of red in it, and just looks old school bulky.

on further thought, i think it just looks a little too gaudy. (though their cars look great other than that).

GM needs to go sleeker with the logos, and lose all the color.

take the trim off, and you can't tell one manufacturer from another.

trim matters.

on the other side, i think Audi has far and away the coolest looking logo, and i think that elevates the look of their cars.
Im not so sure its about logos. I think its all about propaganda at this point. Can you imagine if GM got caught cheating on emissions?
That said, Caddy just changed theirs, Buick went back to having colors, GMC is fine IMO. Chevy is classic bowtie.
 
BMW 535i X-Drive with M Package has been my favorite. S4, and A6 in the past were nice, but this car is the best to drive.
 
Never driven the A6, but don't you have to compare apples with apples? Isn't the volume leader in the A6 the 2.0T? I gotta say though, the A6 interior is without doubt absolutely gorgeous.
I have an 2014 A6 3.0 supercharged with 310 hp. Great car but runs $60K
Around $40K loaded an A3 is also a great ride and bought one for the wife in April
 
The Golf R is a great car. I have an A3 (2015) right now and have, for the last few days, been softening up the wife with pictures of the '17 S3.

There's a simple reason why I would prefer the S3 of the Golf R - profile. Like @TonyLieske, I am also a previous GTI owner and have also owned two A4s. I can pretty much drive the Audis however I want but when I had my GTI I was getting stopped on a regular basis. The cops seem more inclined to go after the Volkswagens.

FWIW if you are getting the automatic the S3 is definitely nicer than the Golf R. Also FWIW, OTD cost isn't as much as the difference as the MSRP would suggest. On the Golf R the dealership wouldn't budge a penny (and from checking around none are). On the S3 I didn't even have to negotiate to get ~2500 off MSRP. SO comparably equipped the two cars are actually priced pretty close (but the S3 does have a lot more available options which can push it higher).

Also FWIW, next year Audi will be introducing the RS3 to the North American market (the dealer actually showed me their intro video when it was announced to them). No idea on pricing and it will likely not be until later in 2017 (as a 2018 model) but you may want to delay a bit and get that instead. I know part of me is definitely thinking I may trade the Golf in for the RS3 after a couple years (even if it does mean I finally give up on the manual transmission).
 
FWIW if you are getting the automatic the S3 is definitely nicer than the Golf R. Also FWIW, OTD cost isn't as much as the difference as the MSRP would suggest. On the Golf R the dealership wouldn't budge a penny (and from checking around none are). On the S3 I didn't even have to negotiate to get ~2500 off MSRP. SO comparably equipped the two cars are actually priced pretty close (but the S3 does have a lot more available options which can push it higher).

Also FWIW, next year Audi will be introducing the RS3 to the North American market (the dealer actually showed me their intro video when it was announced to them). No idea on pricing and it will likely not be until later in 2017 (as a 2018 model) but you may want to delay a bit and get that instead. I know part of me is definitely thinking I may trade the Golf in for the RS3 after a couple years (even if it does mean I finally give up on the manual transmission).

I'd probably stop at the S3; I just don't see the RS3 being a daily driver. Back in the day I would have just loaded up an APR tune on my car and been done with it but Audi has gotten really nasty about flagging tuned cars.
 
I am actually currently in the process of buying a new car, so have test drove quite a few in this class. FTR I currently own a 2010 Audi S4 6MT, and having a 6MT is a huge preference. That being said the lack of manual transmission cars on dealer lots makes test driving cars with a manual transmission almost impossible (nearest 2 BMW dealers did not have a single manual transmission car on their lot).

Anyway, I test drove the following cars recently:

2016 Cadillac ATS 3.6 AWD - Loved the 3.6L V6. Even though my last 3 cars have all been forced induction motors I cannot deny that normally aspirated engines are so much smoother and more responsive. If Cadillac would offer the ATS with a 3.6L engine and a 6MT that is probably the car I would be buying. I considered dropping down to the 2.0T engine to get the manual transmission but after driven some later cars decided to go in a different directions. The ATS is extremely well balanced and very nimble. Although its absolute handling limits are likely lower than my current car (S4), it was actually more fun to drive because it was so much eager to turn. The combination of being a bit smaller and being significantly lighter is a huge handling advantage for the ATS. The Alpha chassis is generally considered one of the best chassis on the market today and after driving one I totally understood why it has gotten so much praise.

2016 Audi S3 - This car offers no manual period, but wanted to test drive it anyway. Loved the DSG transmission for what it is (a super fast shifting automatic with dual clutches instead of a traditional torque converter) and from a pure mix of driving fun and interior refinement this was probably the best car I drove. I very nearly ordered one, but 2016 are out of production and 2017's were not yet available (and there was literally no car on the East Coast that matched what I wanted as far as colors and options). In a way I am glad I was forced to wait, but will explain why later.

2016 BMW 228i - Drove an automatic at the local (well, as local as I could find, which is still a ~35-45 minute drive) dealer. It was a fun little car, but even though it is more balanced than the S3 I preferred the S3. The AWD in the S3 is very rudimentary (Haldex AWD rather than true Torsen style AWD that I have in my S4) but in normal driving situations you cannot tell. The interior was much nicer in the S3. I was kind of surprised by how downmarket the interior looked. Of all the cars I test drove the interior in this car was the least refined (which will probably surprise some). As far practicality is concerned the 2-series was already a bit of a stretch...I prefer 4 doors as I do take people out to lunch/dinner occasionally and like to have a useful back seat. The backseat in the 2-series wasn't necessarily too small (although it is certainly a tight fit), but getting back there wasn't easy. I don't personally have any physical infirmities (39 years old and no health issues to speak of and in reasonably good shape) but anyone who is older and not nimble would not be able to use this back seat I don't think. If you are someone that simply wants the car that is the most fun to drive and you don't need a back seat however I would certainly recommend checking this car out. It was very fun to drive with the automatic and I suspect would be even more fun with a manual transmission. Note that it is also available with a >300HP turbocharged I6 and, if you are willing to wait in line and/or pay over MSRP you can also get an M2.

2016 BMW 328xi - I drove this car after the 228i. Generally speaking I prefer AWD and this car is technically smaller and lighter than my current car, so I wanted to give it a shot. The interior was, not surprisingly, nicer than the 228i but IMHO it was not as nice as the S3. The S3 was almost significantly more fun to drive (mainly because it is significantly smaller). Additionally, despite the lower weight this car was not any more fun to drive than my current car. So while I don't consider it a bad car it was not really in contention as a replacement.

2014 BMW 335xi (CPO) - Drove this car mainly out of curiosity. It has the M-sport package and was definitely more fun to drive than the 328i, but IMHO was not as nice as my S4 and definitely not as fun to drive as the S3. I feel like the engine was easily the equal of my car, FWIW. It is only rated at 300 HP (my car is rated at 333 HP), but this is probably very conservative.

2016 Chevrolet SS - This is actually the car that started me on the path of looking at new cars. Early in July Chevy had a 20% off sale that surprisingly applied even to this relatively limited edition car (they only make/sell a few hundred of them per month). For those that are not family with the car it is build on the Omega platform which is similar to the old Sigma Platform used by the Cadillac CTS. It is a lower cost version so it used more steel in place of aluminum and doesn't have the same levels of sound deadening as a Cadillac. What it does have, however, is a 415 HP small block V8 (6.2L engine). Its an old school engine that makes power the good old fashion way...displacement. For those that are not familiar with engine technology, the small block Chevy uses an old school OHV set up. This means it can only have two valves per cylinder and by their nature having the valves positioned the way they are the engines themselves have trouble revving as high as (dual or single) OHC engines. The upside, however, is that OHV engines are also "cam in block" engines...which means the overall packaging of the engine is much more compact. If you ever see a small block Chevy V8 (which have displacements as high as 7.0 liters) physically sitting next to a DOHC V6 or V8 you would be astonished...the OHV engines as so much small on the outside even though the engine displacement is much higher. ANYWAY! I could only drive this car with an automatic at the time (no local dealers had a manual version in stock). I tried to work with a local dealer to obtain a manual version via dealer trade but since I only found out about the sale after the July 4th holiday it seemed like most manual cars had already been sold (car enthusiasts across the country jumped all over this sale when they found out). By July 8th GM instituted a "stop sale" on the Chevy SS due to a pending recall which meant dealers were no longer allowed to sell them. Unfortunately this stop sale is still in effect today and rumors are it will be October before a fix to the recall will be available. I was still considering ordering a new 2017 model even without the 20%, but of the cars I was seriously consider that would make it the most expensive, albeit not by a lot.

After driving all of the above I took some time off test driving. In my mind I was down to either ordering the Chevy SS or waiting to order the Audi S3. On another forum I post in someone suggested I try out a different car - the Volkswagen Golf R. For those not familiar, this Golf R is essentially the same car as the Audi S3 but simply with a different interior and exterior shell. FWIW, the car I owned prior to purchasing my current car was a VW GTI, so I am not really against VW, there just are not many dealers around my area. Anyway I took it under consideration but since dealers are so sparce in the area the nearest one I could find was a good hour and 45 minutes away (VW Princeton, FWIW). They had a fully loaded 6MT one on the lot. I took a half day last week to go test drive it in the afternoon and...I loved it. Now granted the interior is not a nice or refined as the S3 but it is just as, if not more, fun to drive. To me the trade off of being able to get a 6MT was worth losing some of the features the S3 offered versus the Golf R (sunroof, magnetic shocks, virtual instrument cluster). After thinking about it over the weekend I went ahead and put my deposit down (over the phone since it is too long of a drive) this past Monday. I am planning to drive up and take delivery tomorrow (Friday).

Nice, detailed breakdown. For over 10 years (through most of high school and college) I drove Subaru WRX's, always MT, world rally blue, and 5 doors. My latest was a 2011 with Stage 2 modifications, which I absolutely loved and was especially hesitant to ever give up. In fact, the only car I'd even remotely entertained replacing it with was the Audi S4 manual.

This past spring, a low-mileage monsoon gray 2014 S4 6MT (CPO) popped up in central NJ, and after some negotiations on the price & trade-in I gave in. While I sometimes miss the noise/versatility of my WRX, the S4 has been excellent to date and I'm very happy to have bought one just in time before manuals are completely phased out.

My friend now drives a 2016 Golf gti manual (his 7th car in as many years), and loves it, but tells me he enjoys the S4 as well. Different strokes for different folks..
 
Anyone have any thoughts on the VW CC r-line? Looks like a pretty nice car.. maybe a bit more subdued than Audi or BMW. Decent lease deals that are comparable to the 328 and A4.

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BMW 535i X-Drive with M Package has been my favorite. S4, and A6 in the past were nice, but this car is the best to drive.
problem with this model has been the electronics.

I gotta agree with the Audi assessments however, can't really go wrong with one
 
i'll go a little off topic.

i think one of GM failings, is it's marriage to the old school logos.

that yellow in the Chevy logo looks bad on anything other than a yellow car.

and the outline of Chevy's main logo outline isn't symetrical, which i don't like.

and i Caddy logo has a lot of red in it, and just looks old school bulky.

on further thought, i think it just looks a little too gaudy. (though their cars look great other than that).

GM needs to go sleeker with the logos, and lose all the color.

take the trim off, and you can't tell one manufacturer from another.

trim matters.

on the other side, i think Audi has far and away the coolest looking logo, and i think that elevates the look of their cars.



this makes no sense as you are asking a company to change their logo/brand image, one that is one of the top 10 in the world. It's not the logo that needs a facelift, it's the design of the cars. The big 3 er uhhh 2 are hamstrung by union contracts and production quotas. It's not easy for them to manipulate their product lines as easily as some would like. Repairs etc are all baked into production count and sales estimates.

That said, I hate the chevy logo too :)
 
Anyone have any thoughts on the VW CC r-line? Looks like a pretty nice car.. maybe a bit more subdued than Audi or BMW. Decent lease deals that are comparable to the 328 and A4.

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Yea my thoughts are those bastids lied bout emissions.. dont give them your $
 
bunch of car snobs on here...

I prefer my car.

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Hey if you are going to go with an alternative manufacturer, you should consider an American made vehicle. Perhaps one of these? You will never have to fight for a prime parking spot or worry about snowy roads:
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Oh, I forget this was about mid-size not full size. So perhaps this instead? you can probably get a used one from your local SWAT team.
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Bought last fall a 2016 S4. Had to get sport differential after test driving one with it. I loved my 2006 Acura TL but I truly love this car. Wish I had a longer commute.

S3s look fun as I learned later the engine is same as S4 but I assume a lighter car.

Redesign 2017s not yet for S4
 
Bought last fall a 2016 S4. Had to get sport differential after test driving one with it. I loved my 2006 Acura TL but I truly love this car. Wish I had a longer commute.

S3s look fun as I learned later the engine is same as S4 but I assume a lighter car.

Redesign 2017s not yet for S4

Not the same engine.

The current S4 uses the turbocharged 3.0 V6 - 333 hp / 325 lb/ft.

The 2017 S3 has had its EA-388 turbo 4 bumped to 305 hp / 295 lb/ft.

For a couple of years since the introduction of the MQB-based (current sedan) S3, Audi had to live with the mild embarrassment that the S3 was actually faster than the S4.

The new 2018 S4, based on the updated 2017 A4, fixes that. The EA-839 3.0 liter V6 has been massaged to 354 hp / 369 lb/ft. and the car is about 180 lbs. lighter than its predecessor.

And yes, there is a considerable weight difference between the two. The S3 weighs in at about 3280 lbs, the current S4 is 600 lbs. heavier. The 2018 S4 is said to weigh about 3700 lbs.
 
Not the same engine.

The current S4 uses the turbocharged 3.0 V6 - 333 hp / 325 lb/ft.

The 2017 S3 has had its EA-388 turbo 4 bumped to 305 hp / 295 lb/ft.

For a couple of years since the introduction of the MQB-based (current sedan) S3, Audi had to live with the mild embarrassment that the S3 was actually faster than the S4.

The new 2018 S4, based on the updated 2017 A4, fixes that. The EA-839 3.0 liter V6 has been massaged to 354 hp / 369 lb/ft. and the car is about 180 lbs. lighter than its predecessor.

And yes, there is a considerable weight difference between the two. The S3 weighs in at about 3280 lbs, the current S4 is 600 lbs. heavier. The 2018 S4 is said to weigh about 3700 lbs.

You meant supercharged V6, right? As a result, there's no lag in its pickup with nicely linear acceleration.
I'm not sure why the "3.0T" badge lettering is still used on the S4's, despite the fact that it isn't turbocharged.
 
You meant supercharged V6, right? As a result, there's no lag in its pickup with nicely linear acceleration.
I'm not sure why the "3.0T" badge lettering is still used on the S4's, despite the fact that it isn't turbocharged.

The current car uses the supercharged V6. The 2018 engine (the EA-839) is all new, is turbocharged (Borg Warner twin scroll) and is essentially 3/4 of the engine in the Panamera Turbo.
 
The current car uses the supercharged V6. The 2018 engine (the EA-839) is all new, is turbocharged (Borg Warner twin scroll) and is essentially 3/4 of the engine in the Panamera Turbo.

Oh okay gotcha, wasn't sure which one you were referring to.
The new powertrain certainly sounds impressive and will be quick for sure, but I still prefer my older supercharged MT. Such is purist life.
 
Just bought last week a Chevy Spark for son since he will be in S. CA for 6 years in graduate school. Price was right and great for parking but no power. Who cares if in traffic in LA or Westwood
 
I've been enjoying my Mercedes GLA. It's a little girly I suppose but it's fun to drive.

I don't necessarily thing the GLA is "girly". In fact, I think it's a great execution of the Ultimate Compromise Concept (aka "sport ute"). However, that description applies most appropriately to the GLA 45 AMG. The GLA 250 is underpowered.
 
@RU4Real What are your opinions on the CLA from MB? I'm of the opinion that if you are spending 30K on MB, you aren't getting an MB. The fact so many of these premium brands are going down stream to touch multiple levels of buyers devalues the brand long term. I think they may regret that decision in 10-15 years.
 
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