I was referring to the Maybach. They do not make the most high end car you can buy. It is nice that you love them but lets not go crazy.
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I was referring to the Maybach. They do not make the most high end car you can buy. It is nice that you love them but lets not go crazy.
I actually hate them. But to say they're only as high end as the base level Rolls or Bentley is false, period. I've checked them all out closely.
And yes, the 500K euro Pullman is the most luxurious car on the regular market (not bespoke/customer specific). Bentley even had to play catchup with its (customer ordered) limousine in Geneva, after Merc dropped the Pullman in LA.
And there's supposed to be a Landaulet on the way.
And there's supposed to be a Landaulet on the way.
No, it is not, it is just your opinion.
Here you go: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bent...tley-mulsanne-speed-vs-mercedes-maybach-s600/
Watch the video as well, pretty funny stuff.
and here http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...tley-flying-spur-w12-triple-test-review-2015/
Again, the PULLMAN, a car designed to be driven by a chaffeur. Fact: the most luxurious car on the market. An opinion from before the Pullman was even introduced is not a counter.
Maybe it's time to go back to your previous strategy.
Maybe it's time to go back to your previous strategy.
That is a limo. But if you want to talk about any type of automobile you can get super cars for well over million.
You're thinking of Pittsburgh a few decades ago. They've been one of the few rust belt cities that have adapted, mostly due to solid tax policy and incentives.
Google and other tech companies employ thousands, not to mention the medical research too. There are more millionaires in Pittsburgh than you suspect.
obviously my last part was tongue in cheek however, if you dont' think overselling and discounting lower end models of 'elite' brands doesn't devalue the product then you are smoking what you are fermenting :). MB and BMW are not considered high end luxury anywhere near what they were 20, 30, 40+ years ago and that is because everyone seemingly owns one. You can get into a 3 series for 300, a 5 series for low 500s. That's not out of reach for dental assistants much less middle income families in most epicenters of the country.
I wouldn't want anyone to be discouraged from buying what they like but the discussion was regarding elite brands as it relates to devaluation from increased discounting and over selling of a product.
but the based CLA MB has vinyl and cloth seats and plastic everywhere. Lame.
For that price you can get a nearly fully loaded Honda/Toyota.
The entry level cars from those German brands are not worth the price unless you just want to drive around with that logo on your car.
IMHO.
For that price you can get a nearly fully loaded Honda/Toyota.
The entry level cars from those German brands are not worth the price unless you just want to drive around with that logo on your car.
IMHO.
Lexus, Acura, and BMW give those things standard. The only thing extra you pay for is navigation, etc. MB does not. They are really bare bones because MB is Ultra Luxury or something.
But for Lexus it is just a really nice Prius for Acura they give you a dolled up Civic... I mean... its pretty silly.
Unless someone can get a great deal and get those for the almost same price, why bother?
IMHO, if you are going to upgrade you should really upgrade, you should get the models that do not have a standard brand (VW for Audi) counterparts. Not everyone agrees with me. Some people just love that logo too much to say no.
I guess you haven't seen that nearly all BMWs come with Sensatec? AKA not leather.
You might be right, as I don't have one, I went to their website and "leather" was listed as the default. I went to the cheapest model which is a X1.
Not sure where you are looking. Sensatec is the standard interior for x1. It is a "leatherette". If you go to Build your own, you will see that the sensatec is checked. Leather comes as part of other packages. I was test driving 428I with stickers in excess of 50K and they came with Sensatec. Very big turn off.
I also just randomly checked some models and it looks like the 740I base model does not have sensatec, but the 5, 4, 3, x1 and X5 models all come standard with non leather.
I think Audi and Acura are the only two luxury or near-luxury brands to still offer real leather as a standard feature. When checking out the A4/IS300/Q50/328xi/TLX range, only the Acura and Audi didn't come with standard pleather.
Find yourself a 2016 Hyundai Genesis. Yeah it's a Hyundai but it's a strong car. They are discounting them now as Hyundai has spun off the Genesis name as a separate brand like Acura is to Honda and Infiniti is to Nissan.
The current Hyundai Genesis will now be the Genesis G80 in 2017.
The current Hyundai Genesis will now be the Genesis G80 in 2017.
But all luxury companies offer a range of products, right down to "entry level luxury." So what luxury brands are so much more prestigious than "devalued" MB and BMW?
And Audi has conquered the "black leather" issue. Some (not all) dealers will offer it as a selling point. They've done something to make the leather not get hot to the touch. I mean at all. Not even a little bit. I have no idea what manner of witchcraft is involved in this feat but it's truly amazing.
Maybe it's just me, but it really chaps my ass that I could be spending upwards of $50k on a car and it would have (admittedly improved) vinyl seats like my parents had in their circa 1983 econobox that cost $8k. And every salesman tries to sell it like "oh, if you didn't look it up, you wouldn't even know. plus, its so much easier to clean." motherf'er, i know what leather feels like and this sure as hell ain't it.
The MB-Tex stuff is pretty good. BMW's SensaTec, not so much. Volkswagen's "pleather" option is so bad (I had it in my GTI) that you're really better off just sticking with the cloth upholstery.
Audi's leather is great. It's not the buttery soft acres of hide from young, nubile, grain-fed and hand-massaged cows that you get in, say, a Rolls or a Bentley, but it's pretty good.
And option packaging has gotten almost criminal, frankly. If you read the comparison test I posted above you'll find the C&D reviewers complaining about BMW. Not only do you not get leather for the base price but you get a Bluetooth system that only connects your phone - it can't stream music. If you want to stream music from you phone you have to pay for the Technology package, which is an extra $4500.
Porsche is the worst. For the price of a roughly $60k base Boxster or Cayman you get a partial leather interior, no Bluetooth, no sat radio, no nav, etc. It's very common in "Porsche World" for an out-the-door price on one of their vehicles to be 50% higher than the base sticker once you get done adding "options" that you would find as standard equipment in a f*ckin' Camry.
Lexus's fake leather is one of the better fakes, it even kind of smells like leather. But if you ever been in a car with real leather, you can tell the difference right away in just the way it feels. If you didn't know any better I guess it is fine.
My 2014 A 6 loaded with 6 cylinder supercharged was $62,000 out the door when bought in 2013. I could of saved $15k on a MB or little less on a BMW
I think your judgment about the product impacts your impression of the logo. Chevy lovers love the logo, etc.
I agree that they do and fully appreciate why. I don't know anyone really that thinks of MB or BMW as luxury cars any longer. the BMW has become the 'me too' car imho. In reality, what used to be thought of as luxury is now standard in many brands and many lines, I'm not even sure 'luxury' is 'luxury' any longer. Hell, what does a Bentley offer that a decked out cls 550 or 7 series doesn't offer and I mean that realistically. Actually, I'm not sure the Bentley self parks?
anyway, you get my meaning :)
My wife and I rented a "small SUV" for a business road trip that she needed a lot of luggage for this week. Sample car on website was "Rav 4 or similar."
We got there and they gave us a Chevy Trax. It's smaller than my Prius. I'm not exaggerating. Crappiest car ever.
We got there and they gave us a Chevy Trax. It's smaller than my Prius. I'm not exaggerating. Crappiest car ever.
LOL i love rental car companies. Thats not in the same class as a rav4, Rav 4 equivalent would be the equinox from chevy not the trax. The Trax is tiny and help comply with the new CAFE standards the government decided to impose. Get ready to be like europe... we'll all be driving tiny vehicles by 2025.
World record times on ice?
Interesting points and surely part of the reason the secondhand classic/vintage market is absolutely flourishing and so many classic and sports cars are great investments. More records just set in Monterey. Luxury, ultra-luxury and supercar brands are also pushing their customization/bespoke services and offering super limited editions.
Only so much you can really do to make a luxury car stand out - diamond headlamps for $3 million and rare whale penis leather make nice headlines, but don't think they make that many customers.
World record times on ice?
Interesting points and surely part of the reason the secondhand classic/vintage market is absolutely flourishing and so many classic and sports cars are great investments. More records just set in Monterey. Luxury, ultra-luxury and supercar brands are also pushing their customization/bespoke services and offering super limited editions.
Only so much you can really do to make a luxury car stand out - diamond headlamps for $3 million and rare whale penis leather make nice headlines, but don't think they make that many customers.
whale penis leather....for the win!!!!! lolololol well done
true story since we're on classic/vintage market. I had to go to the Marina last night as my port motor isn't getting fuel (a line went kaput from the tank, no biggie) and I had to meet the mechanic. Long story short, I pull in my classic car as I like to stretch her legs every now and then. I follow a convertible Bentley into the parking area. I get out and start walking and the guy comes up, oohs and ahhs, asks if I want to trade (joking of course, he'd owe me cash too::) . As we were walking on the docks he gives me his card as ask that I point him to some resources to pick one up.
Everyone loves a classic, I barely noticed his car...lol
Without some details around the definition of "classic" this post is kinda challenging.
I'm a huge car guy who hates old cars. By old cars, I mean 50s and earlier. Museum pieces are for museums.
I like 60s & 70s muscle cars, owned a couple in my youth and every once in awhile I'll consider tossing out the shekels for a showroom condition '70 Chevy SS or maybe a '78 Trans Am. Then I realize that they're no faster than my daily driver, they don't handle as well, the air conditioning is always fussy and the power windows often don't work.
They don't build 'em like they used to. Thank God.
much truth to that for sure and agree that many daily drivers are as fast in the 0-60 area but on the highway, the horsepower & acceleration of some of these muscle cars is beyond impressive, even by today's standards.
I saw a real nice 78 Trans Am last night. The car was mint with only 13k on it.
if that is your thing then brag away:) I'd rather have an Eleanor or 63 split window
Even in the midrange the gap has closed considerable.
I remember taking my old Chevelle out on Rt 130 as a young lad, maybe even the Turnpike, and watching the speedometer make the climb from 60, through 80, to 100.
The car I drive every day can do 60-100 in a few seconds. There is no "climb" to the motion of the speedometer. It jumps.
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