OT: NEW EVERYTHING / ANYTHING COVID-19 THREAD

[bac2therac]

 

[RUBOB72]

The big guy RU#’s is right now composing a reply probably telling you “ wrong “ your spreading misinformation and the new administrator has the real facts. Wouldn’t doubt the next thing released will be “ masks won’t stop the variants “ spread. It enters through the ears and eyes . The virus is the control mechanism just as seen on Sci Fi theater.

 

[NotInRHouse]

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Yeah maybe bring back the HHS guy that covered up Epstein LOL

 

[RU848789]

Thanks but I'm looking for a more scientific source.

Are you saying the NY Times, who has some of the best science writers in the business, isn't a legitimate source? All they did was repackage the exact same data from the CDC into better, easier to understand graphics and then write a story about it. Or do you not believe the CDC either? Below is the CDC page they linked, showing just about the same data and the 2nd link also uses the CDC data to present some great graphics on excess deaths and that site is run by scientists.

The Times provides the "most likely" number of excess US deaths of 527,000 from last March through the end of this January (vs. 439,000 reported COVID deaths for that period), while the CDC provides a range of potential excess deaths of 493K to 606K, depending on if the baseline comparison is the "average" number of excess deaths (which is lower and yields the 606K number) or the "upper bound" of the average number of deaths (which is greater and yields the lower 493K number).

The main point is that the number of excess deaths is much greater than the number of COVID deaths reported, meaning that the COVID deaths are very likely undercounted. And for people who think the COVID death numbers are inflated, maybe read the third link.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

 

[Postman_1]

Getting beyond ridiculous now.

 

[RUBOB72]

one of the new officials that works for Biden went on tv to talk about a hurricane of new cases because of the variants. It was the kind of behavior that I would hope people like Numbers would call out. Total fear porn. What amazing is Left wing media for a year says that its spreading because we dont wear masks and then its saying its dropping because more people are complying and wearing double masks now...that is truly truly bizarre, its gaslighting. Its why I call out the BS that the media feeds us and yes some of these scientists and pundits are benefitting from the continuation of the pandemic. The variance hysteria has been called out already by real reputable epidemologists not the so called tv doctors

How many times has RU#’s admitted to possibly being inaccurate or even wrong in any subject matter.... none... emotional doubt syndrome is a real thing . It is seen in highly intelligent people at a young age. In high school it becomes worse and forget about after college. These individuals see themselves as the analyzers, thinkers, infallible in there respective fields. Many never realize this as a fault . They are our guides and our lifelines going forward . No one else matters . Hell the sad part is I do respect the man but if he’s not Sheldon from “ The Big Bang Theory “ he’s darn close. Stay safe JB’s got our backs.

 

[fsg2]

Oh noez!!!!! They're going to steal my anus!

 

[RUBOB72]

Yes Wuhan has been sticking it up many anal cavities for sometime now.

 

[RUJohnny]

Are you saying the NY Times, who has some of the best science writers in the business, isn't a legitimate source? All they did was repackage the exact same data from the CDC into better, easier to understand graphics and then write a story about it. Or do you not believe the CDC either? Below is the CDC page they linked, showing just about the same data and the 2nd link also uses the CDC data to present some great graphics on excess deaths and that site is run by scientists.

The Times provides the "most likely" number of excess US deaths of 527,000 from last March through the end of this January (vs. 439,000 reported COVID deaths for that period), while the CDC provides a range of potential excess deaths of 493K to 606K, depending on if the baseline comparison is the "average" number of excess deaths (which is lower and yields the 606K number) or the "upper bound" of the average number of deaths (which is greater and yields the lower 493K number).

The main point is that the number of excess deaths is much greater than the number of COVID deaths reported, meaning that the COVID deaths are very likely undercounted. And for people who think the COVID death numbers are inflated, maybe read the third link.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

The New York Times is a biased source, and I don't know what I can trust from it. I held it in much higher regard ten years ago, and even higher ten years before that.

That said when Armin pointed out that it was repackaged CDC data, I have that post a "like" which indicated I accepted it.

 

[RU848789]

I’m not looking for bickering nor arguments on a subject which is very near and dear to all of us numbers. It was an opinion ... you as a scientist and educated man are entitled to defend your position however immediately when someone posts something which seems contrary to you immediately, “ your wrong”... “ totally uncalled for . You immediately say, “ stop spreading misinformation”. You can’t prove it either way whether it is or isn’t. The fact is and inadvertently you agree by saying “ yes but it ‘s different” . I completely understood the new variants manifest themselves in the human body and can be more severe but if it were not for the covid19 virus there would be no variants. I bet you have been that way since high school . You suffer from emotional doubts. Here’s a suggestion for you kind sir : Marta Krajniak Professor of Psychology perhaps she is talking about not only you but many of us. I love your postings but damn people do not have to agree nor believe everything a scientist puts out in an article. What is funny though is on one day, TODAY, 3 governors warn of their NY, NJ and California variants. Kind of funny how that corresponds to teachers refusing to go back to classrooms in those states and all with strong teachers unions. You don’t suspect they could be related do you? Goodnight and stay well.

Bob - on this particular topic, there is only one correct answer. The new variants are unequivocally not the same virus that came out of Wuhan initially. Twice you said "it's still the same virus." That's wrong, which means it's misinformation and that's the only real point I'm making - you don't get to have a different, valid "opinion" on the new variants being the same as the original strain. Calling your comment wrong is exactly correct.

And that's a completely separate topic from whether or not some are overstating the risks from these variants. As I said in reply to bac the other day, yes, I think some are overstating the risk or being overly dramatic. They're of concern, but they don't mean we're going back to 200K cases per day, especially since we keep vaccinating and that's starting to make a difference in lowering transmissions, just like has been seen in Israel, or that the vaccines are going to be rendered impotent - that is a risk eventually, but not yet (but is why we need to lower transmissions, via vaccinating as fast as possible). It's perfectly fair to have differing opinions about whether someone is overstating something, as that is a subjective thing, unlike whether a variant is different from the original strain, which is an objectively provable thing.

Now Murphy is warning the NY city variant is rushing through the city. Please tell the Governor he’s not up for recall . Pretty soon each state will have it’s own Covid 19 variant. It’s still the same virus.

 

[RU848789]

The New York Times is a biased source, and I don't know what I can trust from it. I held it in much higher regard ten years ago, and even higher ten years before that.

That said when Armin pointed out that it was repackaged CDC data, I have that post a "like" which indicated I accepted it.

We disagree completely on the Times being a biased source on their science content (politics, sure - every source has some sort of political bias, although even there I think the Times has less than most). I also didn't see your like, as I almost never look at likes on posts from others...

 

[RUBOB72]

Bob - on this particular topic, there is only one correct answer. The new variants are unequivocally not the same virus that came out of Wuhan initially. Twice you said "it's still the same virus." That's wrong, which means it's misinformation and that's the only real point I'm making - you don't get to have a different, valid "opinion" on the new variants being the same as the original strain. Calling your comment wrong is exactly correct.

And that's a completely separate topic from whether or not some are overstating the risks from these variants. As I said in reply to bac the other day, yes, I think some are overstating the risk or being overly dramatic. They're of concern, but they don't mean we're going back to 200K cases per day, especially since we keep vaccinating and that's starting to make a difference in lowering transmissions, just like has been seen in Israel, or that the vaccines are going to be rendered impotent - that is a risk eventually, but not yet (but is why we need to lower transmissions, via vaccinating as fast as possible). It's perfectly fair to have differing opinions about whether someone is overstating something, as that is a subjective thing, unlike whether a variant is different from the original strain, which is an objectively provable thing.

Emotional Doubt Syndrome... if we did not have Covid 19 there would not be a variant of any kind withstanding. Now go read Marta Krajaniak’s articles it will free you from your incessant need to be always right. 😷🪓

 

[RU Mike73]

2nd shot received yesterday.

 

[Frida's Boss]

Gates on timing of returning to “normal.”

Bill Gates on masks: By late spring and summer 'you can look at changing your behavior in a significant way'

The Microsoft co-founder said he plans to keep wearing a mask through the fall, during an interview with Andrew Ross Sorkin on the app Clubhouse Thursday.

www.cnbc.com

 

[RUhasarrived]

Prediction:When Biden leaves the Presidency shortly,Harris will appoint Murphy as VP and put him in charge of all COVID matters.

 

[RUBOB72]

We disagree completely on the Times being a biased source on their science content (politics, sure - every source has some sort of political bias, although even there I think the Times has less than most). I also didn't see your like, as I almost never look at likes on posts from others...

I started reading the NY Times, Wall Street Journal , NYTribune ,Newark Evening News and Daily News at age 8-9. It was a requirement of my 3rd grade teacher who was a Rutgers grad . Actually it lent to free thought. Those periodicals are radically different 63 years later. . Not even close. You really can’t trust any news media accounts in 2021. Increasingly biased and tilted toward radical thinking though even back then some were already heavily leaning towards what we have today.

 

[RU848789]

How many times has RU#’s admitted to possibly being inaccurate or even wrong in any subject matter.... none... emotional doubt syndrome is a real thing . It is seen in highly intelligent people at a young age. In high school it becomes worse and forget about after college. These individuals see themselves as the analyzers, thinkers, infallible in there respective fields. Many never realize this as a fault . They are our guides and our lifelines going forward . No one else matters . Hell the sad part is I do respect the man but if he’s not Sheldon from “ The Big Bang Theory “ he’s darn close. Stay safe JB’s got our backs.

You're wrong on this too (you're on a roll). I've been wrong many times on weather posts and was wrong in January/early Feb of last year thinking COVID wouldn't be much worse than influenza. I also thought convalescent plasma might be a gamechanger and it likely helped some, but wasn't a gamechanger. Any decent scientist has to be able to not only admit, but embrace being wrong, as being wrong is often is often the engine that spurs being right later, via learning from one's mistakes.

But I was right on many things too: predicting how bad this would become in late Feb, predicting how quickly this would grow exponentially in our area and predicting the cancellation of sporting events, coming out in early March (weeks before CDC or WHO) saying masks should be recommended for everyone, predicting antibody cocktails would be a near cure back in late March, and predicting in April that we'd have vaccines approved for emergency use by the end of 2020. My predictions on cases, hospitalizations and deaths this summer and this winter have also been pretty accurate. And my snow predictions for my house have been spot on this winter, lol.

 

[RUBOB72]

I started reading the NY Times, Wall Street Journal , NYTribune ,Newark Evening News and Daily News at age 8-9. It was a requirement of my 3rd grade teacher who was a Rutgers grad . Actually it lent to free thought. Those periodicals are radically different 63 years later. . Not even close. You really can’t trust any news media accounts in 2021. Increasingly biased and tilted toward radical thinking though even back then some were already heavily leaning towards what we have today.

Now that is funny. The guy says he liked it but you automatically apologize because “ you never read or follow likes”. I know that is totally false. You better go back and check again since I have seen you like numerous posts as long as it is aligned with your personal thinking.

 

[RU848789]

Emotional Doubt Syndrome... if we did not have Covid 19 there would not be a variant of any kind withstanding. Now go read Marta Krajaniak’s articles it will free you from your incessant need to be always right. 😷🪓

But that's not what you said that started all of this. If you had said what you just said above in your first couple of posts on this, I would've never even replied, as the statement above is accurate, but that's not what you said. You said the variants are still the same virus, which is simply wrong. Do you seriously not see this?

 

[RUBOB72]

You're wrong on this too (you're on a roll). I've been wrong many times on weather posts and was wrong in January/early Feb of last year thinking COVID wouldn't be much worse than influenza. I also thought convalescent plasma might be a gamechanger and it likely helped some, but wasn't a gamechanger. Any decent scientist has to be able to not only admit, but embrace being wrong, as being wrong is often is often the engine that spurs being right later, via learning from one's mistakes.

But I was right on many things too: predicting how bad this would become in late Feb, predicting how quickly this would grow exponentially in our area and predicting the cancellation of sporting events, coming out in early March (weeks before CDC or WHO) saying masks should be recommended for everyone, predicting antibody cocktails would be a near cure back in late March, and predicting in April that we'd have vaccines approved for emergency use by the end of 2020. My predictions on cases, hospitalizations and deaths this summer and this winter have also been pretty accurate. And my snow predictions for my house have been spot on this winter, lol.

See you are NEVER wrong ... you suffer from “emotional doubt syndrome” ... it is exactly something which very intelligent people fail to see in their life . Your predictions stem from others doing the hard work. Picking and choosing what to copy and paste is what you do. It is not the actual hard labor. Show us your latest personal , verifiable science articles . I’ll wait....

 

[RU848789]

Now that is funny. The guy says he liked it but you automatically apologize because “ you never read or follow likes”. I know that is totally false. You better go back and check again since I have seen you like numerous posts as long as it is aligned with your personal thinking.

Bob, please try to read more carefully and post more carefully. You quoted your own post again, by accident I presume, and you can't even quote me accurately. I said, "I almost never look at likes on posts from others..." I never said I don't like others' posts. You do see how those are different things don't you?

 

[ScarletNut]

Now Murphy is warning the NY city variant is rushing through the city. Please tell the Governor he’s not up for recall . Pretty soon each state will have it’s own Covid 19 variant. It’s still the same virus.

Based on your logic, then this season's flu virus is the same as the swine flu and the Spanish flu of 1918? After all, the influenza virus mutates all the time.

 

[RUBOB72]

But that's not what you said that started all of this. If you had said what you just said above in your first couple of posts on this, I would've never even replied, as the statement above is accurate, but that's not what you said. You said the variants are still the same virus, which is simply wrong. Do you seriously not see this?

Wait now you are saying this ? Hey ,I can honestly tell you are a learned man , a good man, educated and varied in your life. I love your posts and as much as I and others are skeptics that too is part of our lives. Sorry to make an opinion which causes dismay and ridicule on this board but once again it is what makes us all human. I understand your background , smarts and love of Rutgers. You are a loyal Rutgers guy. That’s all stay safe and well . Maybe we will be able to get into the spring game May 1 but who really knows? Pax Vobiscum 🪓🪓🪓🪓

 

[RUBOB72]

I still screw that up ...lol ...ask my wife😊

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Gates on timing of returning to “normal.”

Bill Gates on masks: By late spring and summer 'you can look at changing your behavior in a significant way'

The Microsoft co-founder said he plans to keep wearing a mask through the fall, during an interview with Andrew Ross Sorkin on the app Clubhouse Thursday.

www.cnbc.com

Who TF cares what a disgraced software developing madman says?

It has no business being in a serious thread.

 

[RU848789]

See you are NEVER wrong ... you suffer from “emotional doubt syndrome” ... it is exactly something which very intelligent people fail to see in their life . Your predictions stem from others doing the hard work. Picking and choosing what to copy and paste is what you do. It is not the actual hard labor. Show us your latest personal , verifiable science articles . I’ll wait....

I just posted about how I've been wrong on some things and right on many things and yet for some reason you just said I claim to NEVER be wrong. I have no scientific articles that I have published on the weather or COVID and never said I did, but I think my track record has been pretty damn good despite that.

I do have plenty of peer-reviewed scientific journal articles I've published in my primary field (chem/env eng'g), both from my PhD research and from my years at Merck, plus I have 3 patents, but I'm not going to share them here, since I'm still anonymous for 99% of the board and prefer to keep it that way. There are a few other posters I could ask to corroborate these things and they would, I'm sure, if asked.

 

[RUJohnny]

Who TF cares what a disgraced software developing madman says?

It has no business being in a serious thread.

Seriously. Why does he get a platform? Money.

 

[RUBOB72]

As I wrote several minutes ago young man😊 I respect the info you provide and not only for covid19... you appear to be a well rounded guy with varied interests. So I will leave it at that . If we met on a ball field , court, or even at an educational or business event we may actually , believe it or not, find things we could agree upon. Have a good weekend #’s . 😷🪓

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Serious question: My parents live in Cape May County and have not been able to get appointments for the vaccine yet. My father tells me he registered him and my mom on the state website, and he has received email confirmations of having registered, but has not been given the opportunity to make appointments.

How are people in NJ making appointments? I'd like to help them but on the NJ vaccine website it's not very helpful. I saw someone post that large site at Rowan is easier to make an appointment at, but the info for the Rowan site directs you to the state website for registration.
The CVS and Shopright websites say everything is full.
I'm not in NJ, but I'd like to help make these appointments for them.
What am I missing?

16E.....here is a number you or they could try. Its for the megasite at Rowan Sewell.
My wife called to address her appt. Yesterday and they picked up 2nd ring!
She also ran into a senior who said he called them and they booked him an appt. There right away. Maybe worth an attempt if still looking.

Here is Glocester Dept of health.. 1 (856) 218-4142

Again, good luck.

 

[Frida's Boss]

Who TF cares what a disgraced software developing madman says?

It has no business being in a serious thread.

Well, no one should care about comments from a disgraced madman,

And that’s why I posted an article about Bill Gates’ comments. Gates is neither a madman or disgraced. He is obviously an enormously successful businessman but, in my view, his more impressive accomplishments lie in his philanthropic efforts. Estimates of how many lives saved by his donations and programs worldwide approach 100 million, and he shifted his focus to combat COVID at the outset of the pandemic. No less than Warren Buffett has entrusted Gates with his fortune to donate on his behalf, and he is widely admired and respected because he attacks harder problems and has produced impressive results. See the massive reduction in malaria, for example. It’s also noteworthy that his calls on the timing of pandemic combating milestones have been fairly accurate, so his views are relevant in a serious thread of this nature.

Now, I am aware that Gates was targeted by fringe conspiracy theory groups when he offered comments which differed from those said by the former administration. Of course, those conspiratorial allegations are completely baseless, and should be disregarded in a serious thread discussing COVID.

 

[ArminRU]

70K J&J vaccines to be delivered to NJ next week. Not bad!

 

[oldtimer67]

Charts as of 2/25/21. Should be self-explanatory.

I believe the slight bump in cases showing now is the result of the Super Bowl, Valentine's Day / President's Day event. This uptick will turn down again after 10 to 14 days.

The first image is Covid trends since March 2020.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

70K J&J vaccines to be delivered to NJ next week. Not bad!

Johnson & Johnson: $2 billion awarded to ovarian cancer patients

11 of the 22 women taking part in the case have already died from ovarian cancer, but scientists still aren't sure their baby powder is the culprit.

www.insider.com

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Well, no one should care about comments from a disgraced madman,

And that’s why I posted an article about Bill Gates’ comments. Gates is neither a madman or disgraced. He is obviously an enormously successful businessman but, in my view, his more impressive accomplishments lie in his philanthropic efforts. Estimates of how many lives saved by his donations and programs worldwide approach 100 million, and he shifted his focus to combat COVID at the outset of the pandemic. No less than Warren Buffett has entrusted Gates with his fortune to donate on his behalf, and he is widely admired and respected because he attacks harder problems and has produced impressive results. See the massive reduction in malaria, for example. It’s also noteworthy that his calls on the timing of pandemic combating milestones have been fairly accurate, so his views are relevant in a serious thread of this nature.

Now, I am aware that Gates was targeted by fringe conspiracy theory groups when he offered comments which differed from those said by the former administration. Of course, those conspiratorial allegations are completely baseless, and should be disregarded in a serious thread discussing COVID.

Add me to the list of not caring 1 damn bit about what he or any other non-scientist or non-medical expert has to say. Or Mark Cuban, or Actor, or Politician unless quoting certified facts. Too many people are taking such comments as fact because they can't think for themselves and it becomes their basis well just because. Hell, we can't even get the real experts to agree.
Now if he wants to talk about all that other wonderful stuff he's an expert on or accomplished I'm all ears. Check.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Add me to the list of not caring 1 damn bit about what he or any other non-scientist or non-medical expert has to say. Or Mark Cuban, or Actor, or Politician unless quoting certified facts. Too many people are taking such comments as fact because they can't think for themselves and it becomes their basis well just because. Hell, we can't even get the real experts to agree.
Now if he wants to take about all that other wonderful stuff he's an expert on or accomplished I'm all ears. Check.

For real, the Gates post was big time trolling, pathetic.

 

[Frida's Boss]

Add me to the list of not caring 1 damn bit about what he or any other non-scientist or non-medical expert has to say. Or Mark Cuban, or Actor, or Politician unless quoting certified facts. Too many people are taking such comments as fact because they can't think for themselves and it becomes their basis well just because. Hell, we can't even get the real experts to agree.
Now if he wants to talk about all that other wonderful stuff he's an expert on or accomplished I'm all ears. Check.

Your comments are well taken about the other people you mentioned, but Gates is not in their company. He is a polymath with significant accomplishments, and, while you may not view his comments seriously, many well informed people do. His Gates Foundation website contains lots of good information about what they’ve done. Check it out.

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

We are a nonprofit fighting poverty, disease, and inequity around the world

www.gatesfoundation.org

 

[MulletCork]

Johnson & Johnson: $2 billion awarded to ovarian cancer patients

11 of the 22 women taking part in the case have already died from ovarian cancer, but scientists still aren't sure their baby powder is the culprit.

www.insider.com

Currently involved in a class action lawsuit against JNJ for losing a loved one due to ovarian cancer. I sure have a lot more to say about that and this company itself but neither the time nor the place.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Currently involved in a class action lawsuit against JNJ for losing a loved one due to ovarian cancer. I sure have a lot more to say about that and this company itself but neither the time nor the place.

I'm sorry for your loss Mullet

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Your comments are well taken about the other people you mentioned, but Gates is not in their company. He is a polymath with significant accomplishments, and, while you may not view his comments seriously, many well informed people do. His Gates Foundation website contains lots of good information about what they’ve done. Check it out.

I happen to agree with his assessment and approach more than the "great doctors". I just don't think this is his wheelhouse to be influencing others who do so just because he's who he is. And to be fair to him, reading that I don't see where HE was telling folks what they had to do. I'm just anti herd stupidity. Anti Blind Faith. Anti folks or agendas using his POV to effect policy (not directed at you).

 

[Scarlet16E]

16E.....here is a number you or they could try. Its for the megasite at Rowan Sewell.
My wife called to address her appt. Yesterday and they picked up 2nd ring!
She also ran into a senior who said he called them and they booked him an appt. There right away. Maybe worth an attempt if still looking.

Here is Glocester Dept of health.. 1 (856) 218-4142

Again, good luck.

Thanks!
This is promising.
They did answer - was put on hold for a coupe minutes, then a person answered and took my phone number, said someone will call me tomorrow to make appointments for my parents.

I've been on all the websites at this point - and trying things such as the "lottery" for the Atlantic City Conv Center megasite. Last night they had 2700 appointments available and I was number 47000 in the queue (suppsoedly random assigned numbers). I know all f you in NJ have been dealing with this crazy system, but I REALLY appreciate that in NH we have not had to do more than a single registration and appointments were made.