Maybe those people are immune in some way. Maybe O blood types? Maybe they don’t go to restaurants? Perhaps they stay out of gyms? The point was: there is no ABSOLUTE proofs ... none whatsoever. Why then as posted prior those counties of New Jersey ?
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Probably because the use now full PPE and have been vaccinated since early on when the first vaccines were available.
No i saw on a graph along with the 50 states state here. Its a simple page of graphs, no bias.
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Early on? I didnt realize that vaccines were abailable to medical professionals from March to December.? Describe full PPE please? Pretty simple full ppe is masks...N95
masks cut the viral load...do they eliminate it hell no. Does most the population wearing loose fitting designer cloths eliminate risk...proably not
See there you go again ... you are talking about the insurrection timeline of 2021. Vaccines began to be distributed in December 2021 around the 14th or at the latest 1st week of January to Medical , First Responder etc. You are adroit at avoiding the question and it is a simple one. You realize we’re not talking about 2020? Believe me I know about full PPE. And to show how little you know PPE is much more than just a mask. Masks ,goggles, clothing and even helmets are all part of it. There actually is more.
If masks dont work why do doctors and first respinders wear them? Just curious.
I've addressed that a few times, but will repeat. No long term vaccine effects have been seen in over 100K clinical trial patients through 6+ months now and with all vaccines, long-term side effects are extraordinarily rare and there's zero reason to believe there would be some that magically crop up after 6+ months. They're safe. Period.
I hate the surgical masks because when I breathe in, they collapse into my mouth essentially, and it feels like my breath is restricted. I have a few masks made of the thicker fabrics the fabric stores were giving out for free in April, and they're strong enough that I don't push and pull the shape of the fabric just by breathing hard. I don't know if that helps with your problem.
California is not that high up in the metrics. They just have huge overall #'s because they are the countries biggest state by population.
Edit: I'd also say many states have followed some very different trajectories. The Northeast is much different then the upper midwest for example.
Now did the holidays and the onset of colder weather act as a rising tide across the country? Yes, but states still have had much different trajectories.
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Yep. Masks work. They just don't work perfectly and some masks work better than others (i.e., N95>KN95>surgical>cloth), so the data are difficult to interpret, especially since mask wearing compliance is all over the map, outside of public locations where peer pressure to wear them is high (at least in NY/NJ and some other states). The other huge difficulty is that it's unethical to conduct studies of exposure of humans to SARS-CoV-2, so our information can only be from inference from other viruses or from indirect studies. I've posted numerous scientific studies that show that masks are very capable of filtering out virus laden droplets and/or primary virus particles through a combination of size exclusion, path tortuosity, and physico/electrical entrapment and the fantastic study showing hamsters (a good model for respiratory infections) are significantly protected from infection by various mask materials.
Most of the graphics we see floating around don't prove much. They don't prove that mask mandates caused declines from a peak nor that ending mask mandates mean masks don't work. At a minimum, one would need fairly granular data on the percentage of people wearing masks all along that curve to have some idea of the impact of masks on transmissions. Mask mandates don't tell anyone anything about mask wearing compliance. However, it's also been well-established in some studies that where mask compliance is high, transmissions are low. The most obvious examples are in East Asia, where mask compliane is near 100% and most of those countries have, by far, fewer transmissions and deaths than here or in Europe or South America (i.e., 1/20th to 1/100th our rates of infections/deaths per capita; even places like NYC are well behind those countries on compliance). The NAS paper is probably the best overall source on mask science, both at a fundamental level and an epidemiological level.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
For a good summary of mask science, see my post below from a few months ago, in italics (can't quote posts from locked threads).
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ase-ii-iii-trial-and-more.203426/post-4784019
Correct. There is serious science behind why masks work. As I said the other night, I've actually written internal research reports on filtration of particulates (including pathogens) via various filters and filtration does not work by only size exclusion, as any chemical engineer should know. There are multiple factors involved, from size exclusion to tortuosity of the path to impact/capture on fibers to electrostatic attraction/capture of particles to particle-particle collisions leading to coalescence (larger particles that can them be more easily filtered) and more.
Below is a really cool animation showing some of these filtration/capture phenomena in masks that was in the Times recently. And below that is the link to the Politifact article that @RUfubar quoted above.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/30/science/wear-mask-covid-particles-ul.html
https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...p-covid-19-particles-due-to-size-is-nonsense/
Also, below is a link to my post from 5/21 on the mask/material virus filtration study and the graphic from that post, which is worth a look. And the 2nd link below is to my post on the very elegant study done with hamsters and cloth mask material partitioins, showing these materials provide modest protection for hamsters, which are a good model for respiratory viruses. The first post and graphic are all about the effectiveness of various mask materials as measured with actual virus particles (not COVID, but that shouldn't matter much). N95s are the best, of course, but surgical masks are pretty good and then there are the various cloth type masks, which are maybe 50% effective, but that's still a big improvement over nothing and, coupled with an infected person wearing a mask, can keep the uninfected person from becoming another statistic. They're certainly not perfect though, but way better than nothing.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...es-interventions-and-more.191275/post-4571736
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...es-interventions-and-more.191275/post-4570840
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Examples of different trajectories by state.
NJ saw half it's deaths prior to about May 15th. About 2/3's of it's deaths prior to August 1. While 25% of it's deaths have come since about Dec 7th.
Florida saw less then 1/4 of it's deaths prior to August, and didn't reach 2/3's of it's current deaths until mid Dec, and 25% of it's deaths after Jan 7th.
South Dakota was at 1/10 it's total deaths on August 1st, saw more then half it's deaths in Nov and Dec, and 25% of it's current deaths after Jan 1st.
So 3 pretty different trajectories.
NJ saw half it's deaths prior to about May 15th. About 2/3's of it's deaths prior to August 1. While 25% of it's deaths have come since about Dec 7th.
Florida saw less then 1/4 of it's deaths prior to August, and didn't reach 2/3's of it's current deaths until mid Dec, and 25% of it's deaths after Jan 7th.
South Dakota was at 1/10 it's total deaths on August 1st, saw more then half it's deaths in Nov and Dec, and 25% of it's current deaths after Jan 1st.
So 3 pretty different trajectories.
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Governor should report “older cases” separately. Making all cases look like they happen this week is not right.
No i saw on a graph along with the 50 states state here. Its a simple page of graphs, no bias.
Tracking Covid-19 Hospitalizations in the U.S.
The latest on the coronavirus pandemic.
wait Ive been told that the spikes in January were from people gathering in around Xmas and New Years
In my situation my brother got it from work, he passed it on to my nephew and my nephew passed it on to me, and I passed it on to my gf. All maskless.
No one at my work got it. Both me and my nephew work there.
As per the other 50 million people? I'm not sure.
are you tested everyday...how do you know that there are not tons of asymptomatics...your analysis so is sciency science
omg you really are not this stupid, you are comparing that to Fauci going on tv and telling you to put a thin cloth on your face
hmm so wonder why before coronvirus studies were showing that masks do not really make a diffference....I mean i can pull them up if you want
I don't care how many times you repeat it, NO ONE KNOWS what can happen a year, five years down the road, so stop with the zero, anything! Pregnant women advised not to take it, how about the husbands? The jury is still out even on that basic human function.
We where masks. We don't test everyday, but when I tested positive they all tested and came back negative.
My brother got it from a maskless interaction at his job.
i mean the graphs look the same...they are at different times but each state is very similar
remember the swine flu vaccine
The Long Shadow of the 1976 Swine Flu Vaccine 'Fiasco'
Some, but not all, of the hesitance to embrace vaccines can be traced back to this event more than 40 years ago
No I am not comparing comparing that, thats what you want to believe I am doing. I am pointing out as supported by numbers that surgical masks are more effective. Read my post, i said, I am not talking about draping a cloth across your face....read it before you assume as you are prone 5o do.
Ah, certainly there was some level of spread there, but pretty small #'s in the overall scope of it.
really?
and lets note that Florida didnt shut everything down, very limited compared to what King Murphy did
Tracking Covid-19 Hospitalizations in the U.S.
The latest on the coronavirus pandemic.
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You are absolutely right. He reports them as "new" positives and the media reports it without question. People consume it, trusting the media to report accurately and honestly. Failures at multiple steps which inform public opinion on restrictions. It's really terrible.
Kurt Siegelin of News12 ran a twitter poll asking should the administration report;
Only recent cases, all positives as they currently are, or all positives with the context of which ones are recent and which ones are backlogged.
Over 500 people answered. The way they currently report earned a whopping three percent of the vote. I tagged Murphy's comms director twice on the poll but he ignored it of course. The comms over Covid have been disastrous by any measure.
Look at the bloomberg link, DC hospitalizations stopped decreasing like the rest of the country during January and February, which is in fact just after the capitol insurrection. That is a fact, I didnt sayn what the root cause was, I stated a fact.
yes PPEs work, no one is arguing against that, the issue is that most are wearing flimsy cloth or the blue masks which really dont do anything...and the amazing flip flop from Fauci several times and then almost one year in they start recommending two or three masks...hahaha. Insanity
the communication is disastrous for us but great for governors like Murphy, They can act serious like they are doing something and create fear while the media goes along because how dare you question anything in the pandemic
The fact that the media now is peripherally paying attention to Cuomo and nursing home deaths 7 months after those following non left wing media already knew about it tells you all you need to know
alot of reasons for that....vaccines a part and the fact is the virus was dropping likely because of seasonality, it ran its course and less people were out and about after the holidays
really?
Tracking Covid-19 Hospitalizations in the U.S.
The latest on the coronavirus pandemic.
Notice NJ's starts in March while FL start in July.
Though I do find it interesting that NJ's death's show a more dramatic difference from early on compared to more recently. While the hospitalizations chart is not as dramatic. . Florida by comparison has seen similar deaths in the winter wave as it did in it's summer wave, so given they have hospitalized less in the winter I find it interesting on that front as well.
Also look at North Dokata's graph, or Louisiana's. Pretty different from NJ's.
This is, by far, the most common route of transmission. The "anti-mask" folks look at things like "mandates," which usually don't have any teeth, so compliance is poor (especially with ~40% of America ignoring mask use when not in public, at least) and often don't achieve great results, as meaning masks don't work. That's ludicrous. If mask compliance isn't very high, the numbers won't look great.
I don't know of a single documented transmission that occurred at our 5000 person site in Rahway (with maybe 2500 on site these days, due to COVID), where mask compliance is 100% - no mask and you're escorted off site. Most workplaces are nowhere near that strict especially in small businesses. I have several friends who fear infection every day at small companies where mask wearing is very haphazard and they've seen many get infected. It's really simple: if we had >95% mask compliance, we'd have far, far fewer cases and deaths.
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