Yes, I know that. My point is that generally speaking, the fanbase was feeling down about the play of the team in that game but only because they lost the shootout, whereas if they would have won the shootout, we wouldn't have had all those negative comments on their play.
OT. NJ Devils. Are they turning the page?
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What a great, deserving ceremony. A great, much needed 2 points. And a shout out to Lou Lamirello who stole the show with his comment to Commissioner Bettman
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...eur-retirement-ceremony--video-003748415.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...eur-retirement-ceremony--video-003748415.html
Yes, and enjoyable but I thought that Bettman spoke too long and Josh Harris was drunk.
Everything else was first class and true New Jersey Devils.
Marty will always be an icon, the statue will remind future generations.
Had an amazing time last night. Brodeur has been my favorite athlete for over 20 years.
Schneider had a few outstanding saves last night. The team looked sluggish in the first but overall played a decent game. Josefson whiffed on an open net.
Schneider had a few outstanding saves last night. The team looked sluggish in the first but overall played a decent game. Josefson whiffed on an open net.
I'm not sure, I was on the other side of the ice so I didn't even know it was him until I looked it up.
I remember it being Blandisi, but I could be wrong. Also, I haven't seen a replay of it and I was in the 200s, but I think the puck might have been bouncing or something and that's why he missed. If so, those plays really aren't as easy as the empty net makes them look. Everything on the ice happens within a split second, and it's hard to tell unless you're down there if the puck is flat. A good example of this is when a point man misses a pass and the puck goes out of the zone. Most of the time it's because the puck hopped over his stick, but everyone in the stands throws their hands up in frustration, probably because they have never been in that situation and don't know that these things happen.
What an amazing ceremony that was. Also very happy that Marty kept it together for the most part and didn't start blubbering like Messier did during his ceremony.
Too bad we'll never really knew why Marty left for those last few games. His Twitter even has a banner with nj / Canada / St. Louis jerseys. He seems to still have a good relationship with Lou but he overall seems to be kind of indifferent to the team as a whole.
I'm not a Yankee fan, but I can picture Jeter still walking around NY with a Yankees cap. Don't think I can picture Marty still representing the Devils (even if he stopped working for the Blues). Anyway, not a big deal and he's still a hero.
I'm not a Yankee fan, but I can picture Jeter still walking around NY with a Yankees cap. Don't think I can picture Marty still representing the Devils (even if he stopped working for the Blues). Anyway, not a big deal and he's still a hero.
He didn't really "leave" for those last few games, and there was never any mystery as to why he went to the Blues. He was a free agent because the Devils didn't re-sign him since he was on the verge of retirement and Schneider is one of the best goalies in the league. He wanted to see if anyone would still take a chance on him as a starter, clearly the Devils weren't going to do that with Schneider on the team, and nobody else offered him a starting job either, so the season started with him still a free agent. The Blues' season reached a point where they had some goaltender injuries, so it worked out for both the Blues and Brodeur for him to play there for a little bit before he decided to call it a career.
Also, I don't understand why you think he is indifferent to the team. He is currently the assistant GM of the Blues, and I could see him eventually taking on a similar role with the Devils. The timing probably just didn't make sense with the Devils since his retirement basically coincided with the Devils' new ownership and management just starting out.
Can't compare the two, completely different roles /players. But BOTH deserve respect from teammates and fans.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't comparing Brodeur to anyone in that post. "Marty's better" was a common chant at Devils games from the 2003 Cup run until the end of his career, brought on by ESPN's infatuation with Giguere, probably at least partially because Disney, who owns ESPN, also owned the Mighty Ducks at the time.
I think there is a clear difference between the emotion a person feels when the final buzzer sounds and they have just won the Stanley Cup, and when a person is giving a prepared speech at a number retirement ceremony.
I'm not sure which would be more impactful, the euphoria of winning the Cup, or reflecting on a storied career. I just don't think he should be ridiculed.
Marty deserves the praise showered on him the other night. I'm not sure why it turned into a shot at Messier.
Forgot about the "Marty's better" chant; you're probably right, my bad.
Its kind of like the Mets thread or a weather thread.....it just keeps rolling.
Awesome weekend by the Devils. Flyers game tomorrow night at the Rock. Got to keep the train rolling. The Devils have now passed the Islanders for 6th place but have games in hand. No time to take the foot off the gas.
They are now 2-7 wearing the XMas trees unis.
The one goal waved off hurt. Only getting 1 goal on the 5 minute major was a let down.
The one goal Philly had I think it was either the 1st or 2nd the puck was clearly brought behind the blue line, at least from my vantage spot in the building.
They replayed that several times and it never crossed the line but agree that a first glance appeared that way.
If they scored 2 or more in the major power play they would have played different thereafter and probably won.
A must win Friday night at home.
A MUST WIN victory tonight for the Devils against the Rangers. Stopped the 3 game losing streak. They have rebounded very well on the past two 3 game losing streaks by winning 4 in a row after both. They need to do it again.
Bonus tonight was Kilinin scored the Gordie Howe hat trick. Goal, assist and 5 for fighting.
Bonus tonight was Kilinin scored the Gordie Howe hat trick. Goal, assist and 5 for fighting.
It would surprise me if the Devils could get more than a third round pick for either of those guys. Given that, it is probably worth more to the team to resign both for another season than to have an extra third round pick or two.
Like the previous two contests, this one came down to who wanted it more.
I thought the Rangers had a great start and Schneider (as he's done all year) helped keep it tight. Come the second, the Rangers were running around chasing and the Devils were buzzing.
Didn't like the penalty on Miller. It was the right call, but I don't like the RULE. Lots of hockey players are taped up by this time of year, but unless they change the rule, the call was legit. The idea that that is an "intent to injure" suggests that the player is expecting to fight, and while fighting is still part of the game, its no longer that big a part. As if two players fighting aren't "intending" to injure one another, LOL; I've always found that part funny.
Good win for the Devils though. Congrats!
I thought the Rangers had a great start and Schneider (as he's done all year) helped keep it tight. Come the second, the Rangers were running around chasing and the Devils were buzzing.
Didn't like the penalty on Miller. It was the right call, but I don't like the RULE. Lots of hockey players are taped up by this time of year, but unless they change the rule, the call was legit. The idea that that is an "intent to injure" suggests that the player is expecting to fight, and while fighting is still part of the game, its no longer that big a part. As if two players fighting aren't "intending" to injure one another, LOL; I've always found that part funny.
Good win for the Devils though. Congrats!
You absolutely need a rule like that to prevent fighters from taping their hands just to make their punches more dangerous, or wrapping their knuckles with aluminum foil like the Hanson brothers. Also, I know how much Rangers fans struggle to understand the rules of the sport, but this rule doesn't say anything about "intent to injure." Below is the rule straight out of the rulebook, which can be found at nhl.com:
"Rule 46 - Fighting
46.15 Match Penalty - Any player wearing tape or any other material on his
hands (below the wrist) who cuts or injures an opponent during an
altercation will receive a match penalty..."
It doesn't get much more black and white than that. There's nothing about determining intent here, and obviously the purpose of this rule is to prevent exactly what happened--a player in a fight cutting open another player by punching him with a hand wrapped in tape.
You think it should be legal to wear something on your hands that you use to punch someone else in the face? You don't see how this would be abused?
Of course, but you have to separate preventive taping from the goonery type. Of course that leaves way too much discretion for the officials, so that all by itself is a problem.
Lots of players tape fingers, wrists etc. as precaution for nagging injuries. How about a wrist brace, that most likely would have a piece of steel running through it.
None of this really matters, that is the rule in the books, a proper call was made. The day of the Proberts, Grimsons and Nilans is over, I don't see today's player using that advantage all that much. There USED to be a penalty for instigating while wearing a visor, pretty sure that rule is still on the books, but never called.
FWIW, Kalinin was taped up as well, so that was odd. The call had ZERO bearing on the game, so it makes no difference; thought it obscure, and probably very rarely enforced.
I would agree that's probably what they're worth..but the last few years have shown teams that want to make a run will overpay at the deadline for a rental.
I've been reading Devils could get a first rounder, or maybe a prospect and a late rounder for either. Yes, would surprise me too..but like I said, teams who want to "go for it" this season could make a deal too good to refuse. Both players are very good this year.
I don't think a first round pick is possible. Look at what Jagr and Zidlicky returned last year for example.
The Devils might try to sign both for another season and see what they're asking for. If the amount is too much, and they can get a 2nd for either, might be worth pulling the trigger.
The Devils might try to sign both for another season and see what they're asking for. If the amount is too much, and they can get a 2nd for either, might be worth pulling the trigger.
I think the biggest problem with trying to predict trade value is there are still a bunch of teams that haven't been able to figure out if they're going to be buyers or sellers at the deadline. Parity in the league has never been this tight; perhaps in some part due to the "three point games".
Look at the Rangers, they WANT to trade Yandle, but can't figure if they have enough to make a deep playoff run. (I don't think so, depth is a huge problem). The deadline is next week, and there are still about 12 teams in each conference with a shot at the playoffs. In the East, I'd say nine of those have a chance to make it, and an equally strong chance of missing.
It'll be an interesting few days as the GMs take stock, but I expect a number of teams will hold steady. If the Devils decide to deal, I expect Stempniak would be a sought after commodity; solid player that would add significant strength to some already strong Cup contenders. (Please don't ask the Rangers, they can't fit his salary under the cap; HELL, I don't think they could get my salary under the cap, and I'd be CHEAP.) Shlemko (sic?) should only be dealt for a great return, inconsistent, but young, and Hynes has that team competing every game. He'll only get better.
I don't understand why you don't think this rule is necessary. We saw exactly why--because if you are wearing tape on your hands and you punch someone, it can cut them, which is exactly what happened. Most players aren't so unsportsmanlike to tape their hands with the intention of using it to their advantage in a fight, but the rule is there (1) so that if a player does have tape on their hands for injuries, they don't fight in that game because it isn't worth the match penalty if the other player is cut or injured because of it, and (2) because there are still scumbags like Zac Rinaldo in the league so you need to have rules to prevent people from doing something like this on purpose.
The additional penalty for instigating a fight while wearing a visor is no longer in the rulebook. They obviously took that rule out when they made visors mandatory. Kalinin was not given a match penalty because Miller was not cut or injured. "Any player wearing tape or any other material on his hands (below the wrist) who cuts or injures an opponent during an altercation will receive a match penalty..." Again, the rulebook is right there on NHL.com, there is no reason for anyone to be confused about this.
You almost never see this penalty called because it almost never happens. I am very confident that this rule is enforced every time it is supposed to be, that is why you never see fighters wearing anything on their hands even though their hands take more abuse than any other player. Miller and Kalinin aren't fighters, so they probably never gave it much thought.
The Jets just traded Andrew Ladd to the Blackhawks for a first round pick, a highly rated top prospect, and another pick in 2018.
Yes, the Jets also sent Chicago two other minor players..but Stempniak has more points than Ladd..no reason he can't return something similar.
