OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread
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When you’re on defense and you feel the opposing teams core hitters are going to hit the ball hard somewhere with men on base, even when they’re behind in the count.
The opposition pitchers don’t walk hitters when they’re ahead in the game.
The opposition doesn’t give away runs with poor defense.
You have to match it or you’re gonna get beat.
Just like in football when both your offensive and defensive lines are getting worn out… it’s a matter of time before you give it up.
The opposition pitchers don’t walk hitters when they’re ahead in the game.
The opposition doesn’t give away runs with poor defense.
You have to match it or you’re gonna get beat.
Just like in football when both your offensive and defensive lines are getting worn out… it’s a matter of time before you give it up.
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Remember when the Quality Start (6 innings or more, 3 ER or less) was a thing? Back when Jacob deGrom pitched it was almost automatic. Not anymore.
DeGrom last pitched on July 7 and as you would expect, delivered a QS. Since then, the Mets have played 33 games. The number of quality starts thrown in those 33 games is FOUR. Just four. Two for Megill, one for Stroman, and one for Walker. Even when the starters have pitched well, they haven't delivered the length.
That is unsustainable. If the Mets are to make a run, the starters MUST go deeper.
DeGrom last pitched on July 7 and as you would expect, delivered a QS. Since then, the Mets have played 33 games. The number of quality starts thrown in those 33 games is FOUR. Just four. Two for Megill, one for Stroman, and one for Walker. Even when the starters have pitched well, they haven't delivered the length.
That is unsustainable. If the Mets are to make a run, the starters MUST go deeper.
It wasn't the right move. Knowing what they knew they should have done nothing or traded for everyone. The half measure they pulled was trash.
My take is that an edict came down to at least do something (based on the displeasure loudly voiced on Twitter, etc). They should have just packed it in like you said if that was all they were going to do.
It sounds like they would have loved to have gotten K Bryant but the Cubs weren't playing ball...Could they have upped the deal better then they did for Baez? Maybe, but at what price with the rest of the team in a funk.
And while I don't think they did enough, Baez/Hill - neither really cost us much at all. And to be honest- This lineup should be scoring so much more then it has this season. Almost every single hitter is having their worst year. That almost never happens. If we even just had 2 or 3 of the guys at their normal production, we would be well ahead of everyone. And what has deGrom lost? 5 starts? that is at least 3 wins this year and most likely 4.
None of it is an excuse- and I feel Sandy is the one that either has to go or to really move into the position he was hired for and get modern baseball people into the decision making on the field/trades/drafts.
In my book- Sandy was only here in the first place so that owners would allow Cohen to buy the team. Give the old man a buyout, a consulting gig and cut the damn ties.
DeGrom is such a dominant outlier when he’s healthy, he doesn’t count.
Like Tom Seaver of 67 and 68 or Carlton accounting for almost 1/3 of a teams total wins.
Those guys are far and few between
Like Tom Seaver of 67 and 68 or Carlton accounting for almost 1/3 of a teams total wins.
Those guys are far and few between
I'm sorry but PCA is A LOT for Baez. We painted ourselves in a corner and got robbed.
I do think the Met's did partially make a move just to make a move. But...even if Baez came here and produced at the rate he was producing in Chi, we would still be in first place. I am not trying to say I like the trade though. And now he is injured and who knows when his buddy Lindor is back. In a perfect world- we would have had Lindor/Baez combo for the last 40 games or so. I actually do think those guys together would be a lot of fun to watch but now, who the hell knows how many games they ever will play together and that makes it a total bust.
As for PCA- I just don't know what he is yet. I think if this was 20 years ago, he would be on a fast track for the majors- but as the game is played now, does a contact hitter with no power have a real place in the game, much less, a starter?
I would have liked to have him here though to use as an addin on another trade in the off season though.
Trying to remember- did the Cubs pick up part of the Baez contract?
Until PCA can prove it in the majors there is no reason to say we were robbed.
Transactions du jour - because what's a day in Metland without a roster move or three?
- Drew Smith to IL with shoulder inflammation
- Almora to Syracuse
- Righty relievers Geoff Hartlieb and Jake Reed up. Would not be surprised to see either or both tonight, given recent bullpen overuse. If/when Reed appears in a game, he will be the 60th Met this season. More to come I'm sure.
Agree. Keep in mind that his market value is down due to injury. The flip side is that the Mets therefore may have "sold low" on him.
All of it I think. And I think that was true of all the Cubs recent transactions, at their insistence. They were NOT dumping salary. They wanted to maximize the value of the prospects they got in return.
Then, in this case- I am 100% ok with the trade. Crow Armstrong just doesn't grab me beyond a part time major leaguer. I am assuming a positive defensive player and speed. Minimum 3 years away.
I do need to see Baez and Lindor together for at least 30 games this season though. And we need to be 18-12 to 20-10 in those games. And, btw, if that were to happen, then I would seriously consider signing him. But in no way anything near Lindor's contract. Baez should be a 5 year 110-120 type of guy.
Speaking of which - with Conforto and Thor being injured most of the year and Conforto not showing much, do we offer them a tender and see if they take it? If I am them, I would seriously consider it or else they will be signing up for a seriously reduced FA contract somewhere else that may F them a couple of years from now if they come back strong.
I think I do try to sign Stroman to a 4 year deal and give Loup a 3 year offer. I would offer Pillar/Villar both 1 year deals too.
I with you I'm not gonna go too crazy over what we gave up for Baez. We're not talking about a generational talent. What is he a modern Brett Butler?
You were saying😎 Jokes aside we can only Hope Conforto is able to stay hot.
How long do you stay with Tai with a no-no going? Would be a hell of birthday gift to himself. But the game is the most important thing. Don't want to fall another game behind. But what a step up when it was needed.
It would be nice to see them reward a great pitching performance for a couple change. And I know the starting pitching hasn't been as good as was pre all-star break but what holds true is that when we do get a good start they don't score anything in support.
Yes, absolutely.
Managers still manage the game from the clubhouse if they desire.
Sadly it often doesn't matter if it's Walker Bueller or Ferris Bueller.
And now we're down to the Yennsy Diaz level of the pen already and still haven't managed to push a run across to take a much needed win.
Come on football season. If they can't even do the ninimum at home even when the table is pre-set for you; what is gonna happen when they go West. Pathetic. Don't talk the talk.
I am disappointed with this season completely. I really think the deGrom and believe it or not, Lindor, injuries just did us in. I am not the type that ever goes glass half empty but this now looks like a defeated team.
the only positive I take from the last two games, Dodgers have not looked much better. This could just as easy be a spit or even two for us.
need this next one to go our way.
the only positive I take from the last two games, Dodgers have not looked much better. This could just as easy be a spit or even two for us.
need this next one to go our way.
The Mets lineup turned out to be way way overrated. Most are not the hitters many of us (including me) expected them to be. The pitching staff is deGrom with a couple of slightly above average pitchers sprinkled in. The bullpen is way overused because it’s rare that a starter goes 5 innings. The Mets are just not that good.
In some part, we came into the season thinking the hitters were going to produce at their best. But even if they played up to their real normal, we would be so much better. The injuries have hurt us there too.
McCann is actually where he is normally. Pete slightly down in power. McNeil- he isn’t a .270 hitter- he is at least 20-30 points below , Davis is doing expected but missed so much time- his replacements cost us 40-50 points in BA, Lindor is not a .230 hitter- 40 points, Smith- he is the unknown - so maybe he is a .250 hitter and not .300 Nimmo is actually hitting for a higher BA but he hasn’t had power but his replacements cost us 40-50 points of OBP and Conforto- like him or not, he isn’t a .225 hitter so there is another 40-50 points off BA
So, even if these guys just hit to their low expectation and if there were a couple less injury- it would be different.
Pitching- you are right. But think our management- is more to blame. We have seen our starters visibly upset when taken out of games so early. The bullpen has been pretty good, but you are right, way overworked. Seems we go with a min of 4 guys every night.
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