OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread

[Doctor Worm]

The shit of it is that they had to move them in for just about everyone. As for David- I am going to say his back hurt him more than the fences did and it was a problem well before we all found out about it.
I love Citi Field but whoever first designed that field was an idiot. We saw some bad baseball when that new stadium went up. During those years- Beltran and the others had dramatic drops as well. I think our last year at Shea we had just over 170 HR and dropped to the 90's low 100's in those first few Citi years.
And even with David's drop and injury, when he was on the field, he still ended up being pretty good. I would still rather have him over Reyes. But I don't think it was the field that was the real issue with him

I never understood why people feel a ballpark should have "character", whatever that means. The original Citi Field had "character" and it led to some bizarre baseball. We tend to focus on the Great Wall of Flushing, and rightly so. But remember the "Mo's Zone" in right? What was a homer in right center became an out in right. Unless, you managed to drop it into the front row of the Pepsi Porch (now Coca Cola Corner) which actually was a slight overhang over the Mo's Zone.

Modern ballparks are great for fan experience. But for the actual park dimensions which dictate the play of the game, give me old school symmetry and eight foot fences. That's the perfect height for one of the most exciting plays of the game - the outfielder robbing the home run.

 

[tico brown]

Bill Robinson ain't walking through that door. He can't hit for them.

If only the Mets didn’t screw Edgardo Alfonzo out of the managers job at Brooklyn after winning the league championship. He’d be a great choice for hitting coach. Maybe even manager.

 

[tico brown]

I never understood why people feel a ballpark should have "character", whatever that means. The original Citi Field had "character" and it led to some bizarre baseball. We tend to focus on the Great Wall of Flushing, and rightly so. But remember the "Mo's Zone" in right? What was a homer in right center became an out in right. Unless, you managed to drop it into the front row of the Pepsi Porch (now Coca Cola Corner) which actually was a slight overhang over the Mo's Zone.

Modern ballparks are great for fan experience. But for the actual park dimensions which dictate the play of the game, give me old school symmetry and eight foot fences. That's the perfect height for one of the most exciting plays of the game - the outfielder robbing the home run.

I actually don’t have a problem with the original Flushing Wall, esp since homers started flying out over the wall in recent years. At least they’re making extra money with those stool seats.

The Mo Zone was and still is the stupidest thing ever created in any stadium. Unnecessary and very Wilpon-like.

 

[yesrutgers01]

You know what is scary about the Wilpon years- just a few years ago- if the Yankees had been willing to part with any of Andujar, Sanchez or Frazier - Met's might have considered trading deGrom to them. I remember they talked some but Yanks unwilling to include any of their 3 young untouchables. lol

 

[Doctor Worm]

You know what is scary about the Wilpon years- just a few years ago- if the Yankees had been willing to part with any of Andujar, Sanchez or Frazier - Met's might have considered trading deGrom to them. I remember they talked some but Yanks unwilling to include any of their 3 young untouchables. lol

In fairness, that trade would not have been preposterous at the time. DeGrom was never considered a top prospect. Long term, the Mets viewed him as their #3 behind Harvey and Syndergaard. Who knew he would add 5 MPH to his velocity mid-career?

 

[yesrutgers01]

In fairness, that trade would not have been preposterous at the time. DeGrom was never considered a top prospect. Long term, the Mets viewed him as their #3 behind Harvey and Syndergaard. Who knew he would add 5 MPH to his velocity mid-career?

Hell he added almost that much since his first CY...
I do remember back then, Yankee fans were dead set against offering any of them. I believe G Torres was another. Thought Mets were crazy to even ask for any of them.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

275 25 HR 6th
Batting title contender 7th
270 18 HR 8th

this team should be scoring runs

 

[Mr Magoo]

275 25 HR 6th
Batting title contender 7th
270 18 HR 8th

this team should be scoring runs

We should score tonight. deGrom has become the best bat in this pathetic lineup.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

WTF !!!
Same 💩 , different game

1st and 2nd no out
NO RUNS
Score 2-3 and game is already over
💩💩💩💩💩💩💩👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻


Dom is horrible in left

 

[FrankZ]

Give up a run here and hope for a better result tomorrow 🤦‍♂️

 

[cubuffsdoug]

When will the offense return the favor to deGrom, so he doesn't have to pitch a perfect game?

 

[FrankZ]

Welp. What a frustrating team.

 

[rurahrah000]

Welp. What a frustrating team.

Frustrating because they have talent but lack player leadership and good coaching

 

[nutfromSEC117]

They keep talking about how DeGrom is struggling tonight..... he has given up one run in four innings and the one run Dom should’ve caught the ball

he is just that good

 

[yesrutgers01]

They keep talking about how DeGrom is struggling tonight..... he has given up one run in four innings and the one run Dom should’ve caught the ball

he is just that good

Any other pitcher in MLB 4 innings 3 hits 0 BB 5 K 1 R
Would be one of their best starts to a game. We are watching one of the best ever

 

[BigEastPhil]

Team is unwatchable. Boring as hell! Can’t score runs. Can’t generate rallies. Can’t hit in clutch.

If Mets lose tonight and with road trips to Philly and St Louis on horizon , things can get ugly soon

The is team is .500 at best as currently constructed. They need scrappy hitters who can put the wood on the ball and cause some havoc on the bases.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Nimmo coming back to earth
Davis Ok
Rest of team is struggling to down right horrible

 

[yesrutgers01]

Any other pitcher in MLB 4 innings 3 hits 0 BB 5 K 1 R
Would be one of their best starts to a game. We are watching one of the best ever

And the Ks the side in the 5th..,

 

[FrankZ]

For goodness sake, score a run already

 

[shields]

Score some damn runs.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

How many F-in guys are going to stare at strike 3 right down the middle

 

[BigEastPhil]

Trade Degrom. Take him out of his misery. He deserves so much better !

Team personality is like it’s manager : Boring and lost!

And 10 more years with Lindor and his hairdue. Ugh.

Chili Davis should be fired or designated for assignment. How can an offense be this awful for 19 games!

 

[FrankZ]

I knew 1-0 was too much. :flush:

 

[nutfromSEC117]

For F- sake , another guy looking at strike 3

 

[Mr Magoo]

It’s like watching a blind team try to hit a baseball.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Has this team ever seen a curve ????

It’s only 20 games blah blah blah

someone needs to go
Chili can’t make trip to Philly

this team sucks !!!!

Could/should be at least 5 games up on rest of division the way they are pitching

 

[yesrutgers01]

Only our Mets can pitch 9 innings give up 4 hits 1 walk K 15 and give up 1 run in a “ blowout” because that is what it felt like.
with our pitching- including the bullpen, we should be running away with it.
something is completely off with this team. If I was managing I would be tempted to do something stupid with these guys like make everyone of them bunt their first AB in the next game.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Has this team ever seen a curve ????

It’s only 20 games blah blah blah

someone needs to go
Chili can’t make trip to Philly

this team sucks !!!!

Could/should be at least 5 games up on rest of division the way they are pitching

How many strikeouts looking is this team going to take?
Last in MLB with RISP. They are 26 for 135 in these situations.
Every pitcher should demand a trade. There was a shot of deGrom in the 6th inning with his hand over his face while hanging his head down. deGrom will never say a bad word about his team, but you can see it's getting to him. I'm getting tired of Rojas' easy-going attitude as if everything will be alright. Time to hold players accountable. The players don't feel any heat to improve or else.

Mets are averaging 2.2 runs a game through 19 games. Chili Davis has to go and take Rojas with him. Alderson is on deck.

 

[Mr Magoo]

How many strikeouts looking is this team going to take?
Last in MLB with RISP. They are 26 for 135 in these situations.
Every pitcher should demand a trade. There was a shot of deGrom in the 6th inning with his hand over his face while hanging his head down. deGrom will never say a bad word about his team, but you can see it's getting to him. I'm getting tired of Rojas' easy-going attitude as if everything will be alright. Time to hold players accountable. The players don't feel any heat to improve or else.

Mets are averaging 2.2 runs a game through 19 games. Chili Davis has to go and take Rojas with him. Alderson is on deck.

Rojas is an unqualified idiot but a lot of this is not his fault. Still like to see him and Chili gone.

 

[tico brown]

Who was the genius who took Sandy back?

 

[Lattner]

Lindor will have nightmares about Pivetta.
Not a fair matchup.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Only our Mets can pitch 9 innings give up 4 hits 1 walk K 15 and give up 1 run in a “ blowout” because that is what it felt like.
with our pitching- including the bullpen, we should be running away with it.
something is completely off with this team. If I was managing I would be tempted to do something stupid with these guys like make everyone of them bunt their first AB in the next game.

I'm with you on playing small ball, stealing bases, hit & run, etc. The Mets don't create opportunities because they are waiting for them to appear magically. Luck is preparation meeting opportunity.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Who was the genius who took Sandy back?

Sandy is still stuck on the Moneyball approach. Go for guys who have high OBP but p*ss poor batting averages. Guess what? You get guys on base but can't drive them home because guys can't get hit with RISP. Rojas keeps repeating the company line during his post-game interviews.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Sandy is still stuck on the Moneyball approach. Go for guys who have high OBP but p*ss poor batting averages. Guess what? You get guys on base but can't drive them home because guys can't get hit with RISP. Rojas keeps repeating the company line during his post-game interviews.

Let’s be honest- even the previous time of Sandy-Managers are robots under him. It is why he wanted no part of someone like Giardi...and he sure wasn’t going to bring in a hotshot young GM.
Problem with this team is on Sandy. But even with that said...it doesn’t explain a guy like McNeil having such a horrid start. He is usually anything but a money all type guy.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Those calling for Rojas to be fired will have to be patient. He won't be fired after 20 games. But he could be fired after 60, if the team continues to muddle along around .500.

Problem is, with whom do you replace him? They have no experienced Jim Riggleman type in the organization. Anyone whom they did promote would probably be more of the same.

When you make a midseason move, you are looking to shake things up. Where's Jerry (the Gangsta) Manuel when we need him?

 

[Andy117]

Sandy is still stuck on the Moneyball approach. Go for guys who have high OBP but p*ss poor batting averages. Guess what? You get guys on base but can't drive them home because guys can't get hit with RISP. Rojas keeps repeating the company line during his post-game interviews.

You're wrong about Moneyball and Mets players. Who fits the profile you're speaking of?

Also Moneyball is just simply about finding value where it is not being currently valued in the game, at that time it was OBP.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Nimmo coming back to earth
Davis Ok
Rest of team is struggling to down right horrible

Nimmo was never and is never gonna be the kind of player he looked like for the first 2 weeks. He will be under .300 soon enough.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Those calling for Rojas to be fired will have to be patient. He won't be fired after 20 games. But he could be fired after 60, if the team continues to muddle along around .500.

Problem is, with whom do you replace him? They have no experienced Jim Riggleman type in the organization. Anyone whom they did promote would probably be more of the same.

When you make a midseason move, you are looking to shake things up. Where's Jerry (the Gangsta) Manuel when we need him?

You need a manager who will / can fire up a team and/or have the ability to be completely respected by the team.

Problem with Rojas is that he is neither of the above and he is an unimagineative bore who has surrounded himself with clones.

Team needs a spark and whatever that spark is - get it done.

Teams take on the personality of their manager and when you have a bore like Rojas - it reflects itself on the field - as we saw during 2020 and now during 2021.

Cohen, as a businessman, would not accept a Hedge Manager who loses money. Cohen, as a baseball owner, should follow his business ethics and can Chili Davis in Step 1 because the offense is pathetic and put Rojas on notice.

In 20/20 hinsdsight, co signings of Springer and JT Realmuto would have looked a lot better than this mess of Lindor; McCann etc.

Most likely scaenario when (if) Rojas is gone is that an interim manager will be hired for the balance of the season with eyes set on next year for New Manager that fits the bill.

 

[tico brown]

Those calling for Rojas to be fired will have to be patient. He won't be fired after 20 games. But he could be fired after 60, if the team continues to muddle along around .500.

Problem is, with whom do you replace him? They have no experienced Jim Riggleman type in the organization. Anyone whom they did promote would probably be more of the same.

When you make a midseason move, you are looking to shake things up. Where's Jerry (the Gangsta) Manuel when we need him?

Sounds like the perfect time to promote Edgaro Alfonzo from Brooklyn...

Whoops.

 

[Andy117]

You need a manager who will / can fire up a team and/or have the ability to be completely respected by the team.

Problem with Rojas is that he is neither of the above and he is an unimagineative bore who has surrounded himself with clones.

Team needs a spark and whatever that spark is - get it done.

Teams take on the personality of their manager and when you have a bore like Rojas - it reflects itself on the field - as we saw during 2020 and now during 2021.

Cohen, as a businessman, would not accept a Hedge Manager who loses money. Cohen, as a baseball owner, should follow his business ethics and can Chili Davis in Step 1 because the offense is pathetic and put Rojas on notice.

In 20/20 hinsdsight, co signings of Springer and JT Realmuto would have looked a lot better than this mess of Lindor; McCann etc.

Most likely scaenario when (if) Rojas is gone is that an interim manager will be hired for the balance of the season with eyes set on next year for New Manager that fits the bill.

How many games has Springer played?

The Mets aren't losing games because of the manager. They're not hitting. It's a long season. It's early.