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OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread

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Put the ball in play, a swinging bat is a dangerous
bat for Christ sakes!!!!
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You're wrong about Moneyball and Mets players. Who fits the profile you're speaking of?

Also Moneyball is just simply about finding value where it is not being currently valued in the game, at that time it was OBP.

I can't believe that most people somehow still don't understand the concept.
 
Can someone turn over a buffet table in the clubhouse or throw a tantrum at the umps. This team needs to get fired up. This is a month long slump.
Can't speak to buffet tables, but replay review has made umpire tantrums a thing of the past.

To your larger point, I must disagree. Team is collectively mired in a deep hitting slump. I don't think "getting fired up" helps. OK, they're fired up. Now they each take their turn in the batter's box. What do you want them to do? Grip the bat tighter?

When hitters are in a hot streak, they invariably say how RELAXED they feel at the plate. On the other hand, hitters in a slump talk about how they are pressing.

It would be one thing if guys were not hustling or did not have their heads in the game. I've seen no evidence of that though.
 
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Can't speak to buffet tables, but replay review has made umpire tantrums a thing of the past.

To your larger point, I must disagree. Team is collectively mired in a deep hitting slump. I don't think "getting fired up" helps. OK, they're fired up. Now they each take their turn in the batter's box. What do you want them to do? Grip the bat tighter?

When hitters are in a hot streak, they invariably say how RELAXED they feel at the plate. On the other hand, hitters in a slump talk about how they are pressing.

It would be one thing if guys were not hustling or did not have their heads in the game. I've seen no evidence of that though.
I see it quite differently. These guys need someone or something to shake then out of the lethargy they are in. Collectively they need a spark. I also disagree about manager tantrums. Joe Girardi (who I wanted here) gave us a pretty good example last night of how its done. Can anyone imagine Rojas doing that?
 
I see it quite differently. These guys need someone or something to shake then out of the lethargy they are in. Collectively they need a spark. I also disagree about manager tantrums. Joe Girardi (who I wanted here) gave us a pretty good example last night of how its done. Can anyone imagine Rojas doing that?
What did Girardi do?
 
I see it quite differently. These guys need someone or something to shake then out of the lethargy they are in. Collectively they need a spark. I also disagree about manager tantrums. Joe Girardi (who I wanted here) gave us a pretty good example last night of how its done. Can anyone imagine Rojas doing that?
Well he did have a decent go at it last week and got tossed when Walker was getting squeezed on balls and strikes.
 
I can't believe that most people somehow still don't understand the concept.
It like most fans on this site don't really understand football even though they follow the game. Anyway, I may not understand the Moneyball concept, but there are major problems with this team. It's becoming clear Alderson is the lead problem, followed by Rojas. The team reflects the mood of its leadership.

Full disclosure: I'm angry beyond words, and I'm lashing out because it's the only way to relieve tension. I feel like Charlie Brown failing to kick the football.

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It like most fans on this site don't really understand football even though they follow the game. Anyway, I may not understand the Moneyball concept, but there are major problems with this team. It's becoming clear Alderson is the lead problem, followed by Rojas. The team reflects the mood of its leadership.

Full disclosure: I'm angry beyond words, and I'm lashing out because it's the only way to relieve tension. I feel like Charlie Brown failing to kick the football.

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I get it. I agree Sandy made some mistakes and his attitude towards the team pisses me off at times. Holier than thou for sure.

Rojas has been uninspiring.

At some point the hitters have to hit like we know they're capable though. Not much more that could have been done there.
 
As I stated before with deGrom starts- in my fantasy leagues- i sit anyone facing him and sit any Met I have on my team as well.

In all seriousness- just how can these hitters be this bad? We have an entire team except for 2 guys, under performing. And "under performing" is an understatement. The rest of the team are all well below their worst seasons ever.

What pisses me off even more- our BP is pitching respectful.
 
BTW with deGrom- even if we for get the insane ERA as we know it would be almost impossible to sustain a sub 1 ERA. If you took the rest of his stats and put it to 33 starts for the season. He would be breaking just about every single season pitching stat there is. It is a damn shame that the Met hitters for all these years have blemished something that should even be more fun that it already has been.
33 times in his career he has not picked up a win with giving up 1 or 0 runs.
 
deGrom might have the shortest Hall of Fame speech ever because he'll have no one to thank other than himself. 🤬

True. Let’s hope that he stays a Met for the balance of his career. Can’t believe his compensation relative to market right now.
 
Jake is a prime example of how you can’t put too much emphasis on wins when putting pitchers in the Hall of Fame.
This is something that is fairly new. If you go back to the pre 2000's- wins were still an important stat for a starter. Through 1999, double digit complete games were somewhat normal. It is now rare that you even get a single pitcher to even throw more that 2 or 3 in a season.
For me, in this new age of baseball...what I would look for in a HOF pitcher would be 2500+ innings- ERA under 3.20 if you are a + 10k/9 and ERA under 3.10 if you are a under 9k/9
minimum 2 CY or 2 dominate WS runs. and 10 or more season in top 10 Cy voting. 5 in the top 5
 
I see it quite differently. These guys need someone or something to shake then out of the lethargy they are in. Collectively they need a spark. I also disagree about manager tantrums. Joe Girardi (who I wanted here) gave us a pretty good example last night of how its done. Can anyone imagine Rojas doing that?
I am telling you. This is a team without any leadership (players or managers). I was finally happy to hear McCann at least say that this offense is not acceptable. That is probably the angriest anyone on this team has gotten.
 
I am telling you. This is a team without any leadership (players or managers). I was finally happy to hear McCann at least say that this offense is not acceptable. That is probably the angriest anyone on this team has gotten.

I was surprised Lindor said he didn’t think he was in a slump.
 
It’s like the never saw major league pitching before. Worse swings I ever saw.
 
Tonight can get Chili and or Rojas fired
No Harper Didi or Realmuto
Add the fact Phillies starting pitchers has an ERA over 6 and hasn't pitched past the 6 innings in his last 12 starts.
The Mets are 26 for 140 with RISP. It's not time to panic, but the leadership should give the team a sense of urgency, or things could spiral out of control. By then, it's too late to panic.
 
The shift seems to work best if the ball is hit to the short fielder in the outfield. Otherwise, most other ground balls are infield hits.
 
Little league Mets.
The shifts seem to work only against the Mets.
Passed ball/ wild pitch leads to 2 runs...WTF. That's total GORGON SH*T.
Two runs are too much for the Mets to overcome.
 
26 for 141 with RISP
18 innings with scoring a run
What else can we throw in there for good measure?
 
26 for 142 with RISP
I have been a Mets fan before I was born, and I'm growing to hate this team.
 
Little league Mets.
The shifts seem to work only against the Mets.
Passed ball/ wild pitch leads to 2 runs...WTF. That's total GORGON SH*T.
Two runs are too much for the Mets to overcome.
Time for Edgardo Alfonzo to take over...

DAMMIT... Never mind!!!
 
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Pitcher lead off double, never moves off second with out 1,2,3, and 4 hitters
 
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