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OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread

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Not sure whether passing on Rocker was a good move, a bad move, or an ugly move. But I am certain it was NOT a Wilponian move. It was a baseball decision, not a financial decision. Based on their review of Rocker's meds, the Mets decided that they preferred having the 11th pick in 2022 to having Rocker in 2021.

It's not like they tried to sign Rocker on the cheap, as you imply. They flat-out pulled their offer.

By the way, I believe MLB changed its draft rule to prohibit a team doing what the Mets did with Rocker. I forget the specific terms, but it's something like if you draft someone in the first round, you MUST offer him at least 80% of slot value. Let the buyer beware.
I think the change is you can't do what the Mets did two years in a row.
 
I disagree Doc. If you knew you were gambling going in, which the Mets did because 9 other teams had passed on him, then you have to have the courage of your convictions to see the bet through. We could have drafted another player in the 10 slot who would be in the system for a year already and thus closer to contributing.
You are talking about what the Mets SHOULD have done. That is subjective opinion and I respect yours. But I am talking about what the Mets apparently DID do. They gambled that Rocker had no serious medical issues when they drafted him. Then they saw his meds and decided that was a bad bet, and they weren't going to throw good money (literally) after bad.

Was it wrong of them to cash out? Well, none of us will ever likely know what that medical report said, and it's none of our business anyway. We do know that the issues, whatever they were, were serious enough to require surgery.

Let us look forward. The guy we got ain't a half bad consolation prize.
 
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We'll need a bullpen. We may be able to get by with this offense. But we'll definitely need a bullpen.
What we need is a setup man if and when our rotation is healthy. deGrom and Max will put one of Peterson, Williams or both into our bullpen. Megill gets back and we have to find a spot for him. Then May gets back. All of a sudden, we have a very solid middle and long relief group- and a shut down closer. My take, we need a shutdown setup guy in the pen. And a bat...but with our starts being deGrom/Max/Bassit/Walker/Carasco- a playoff series against us becomes very difficult for anyone.
 
We'll need a bullpen. We may be able to get by with this offense. But we'll definitely need a bullpen.
No we won't get by with this offense. After Friday's game we scored 8 runs in 3 games vs. the Cubs. We scored yesterday because of a botched rundown play and a dunker. No matter how good your starting pitching is you won't win a title relying on 2-1 and 1-0 wins. Certainly not against playoff caliber competition. Not unless you get a 1988 Orel Hershiser or 1986 Mike Scott performance from somebody. And those are rare.
 
What we need is a setup man if and when our rotation is healthy. deGrom and Max will put one of Peterson, Williams or both into our bullpen. Megill gets back and we have to find a spot for him. Then May gets back. All of a sudden, we have a very solid middle and long relief group- and a shut down closer. My take, we need a shutdown setup guy in the pen. And a bat...but with our starts being deGrom/Max/Bassit/Walker/Carasco- a playoff series against us becomes very difficult for anyone.
We need a steady, been there done that guy out in the pen in front of Diaz. We need a David Robertson or Andrew Chafin. Closers who would be fine with being an 8th inning guy on a contender. Robertson has already stated he would be fine with that. Also 5 starters don't get used in the postseason. 4 tops. I wishI had a crystal ball that would allow me to see ahead to August 2nd. I'm very anxious to see what Eppler pulls off.
 
No we won't get by with this offense. After Friday's game we scored 8 runs in 3 games vs. the Cubs. We scored yesterday because of a botched rundown play and a dunker. No matter how good your starting pitching is you won't win a title relying on 2-1 and 1-0 wins. Certainly not against playoff caliber competition. Not unless you get a 1988 Orel Hershiser or 1986 Mike Scott performance from somebody. And those are rare.
We need more production out of the DH position. That can happen in three ways:

1) Stay the course with Smith and Davis and hope they turn it around.

2) Promote somebody from AAA, most likely Vientos.

3) Make a trade. Which ain't gonna be easy, even for a DH. Buyers > Sellers.
 
You need better reading comprehension. Go back to see what I said.
I read your whole post. Is the following second-half of your post what you're claiming I missed?: "I’ll stick with my original statement, mlb draft is a crap shoot but these are the reports grades I saw. Enjoy."

This statement indicates that you know nothing about the grades that you posted and the draft is a crap shoot. If that's your take, you should have replied to my post with an "agreed." Maybe you misread it. Either way, hey, I hope these guy can all play.
 
No we won't get by with this offense. After Friday's game we scored 8 runs in 3 games vs. the Cubs. We scored yesterday because of a botched rundown play and a dunker. No matter how good your starting pitching is you won't win a title relying on 2-1 and 1-0 wins. Certainly not against playoff caliber competition. Not unless you get a 1988 Orel Hershiser or 1986 Mike Scott performance from somebody. And those are rare.
I mean, if your conclusion is that the Mets will score only 8 runs for every 3 games, that'd be bad. But that's not a valid position.
 
What we need is a setup man if and when our rotation is healthy. deGrom and Max will put one of Peterson, Williams or both into our bullpen. Megill gets back and we have to find a spot for him. Then May gets back. All of a sudden, we have a very solid middle and long relief group- and a shut down closer. My take, we need a shutdown setup guy in the pen. And a bat...but with our starts being deGrom/Max/Bassit/Walker/Carasco- a playoff series against us becomes very difficult for anyone.
That would be wonderful. Not that May had been lights out, but that would be wonderful. It would also be bad planning. Setting up your rotation and pen based completely on the expectation that everyone comes back healthy and no one else gets hurt is a bad approach. A better approach is to presume that more people are going to get hurt and that we could use more quality depth in the pen to survive it.
 
I read your whole post. Is the following second-half of your post what you're claiming I missed?: "I’ll stick with my original statement, mlb draft is a crap shoot but these are the reports grades I saw. Enjoy."

This statement indicates that you know nothing about the grades that you posted and the draft is a crap shoot. If that's your take, you should have replied to my post with an "agreed." Maybe you misread it. Either way, hey, I hope these guy can all play.
Uhm no. My initial post was the grades from a report I read, and I stated that mlb draft is a crapshoot.

You then, maybe trying to be a wise guy, posted random meaningless letters and made the statement that your random “grades” are just as good.

I never used the word expert. You brought that word into this. My point is that a draft analyst is better equipped to grade picks than someone that probably never even heard of any of these players before.

Now I am done with this discussion as it is a waste of my time. Peace
 
We need more production out of the DH position. That can happen in three ways:

1) Stay the course with Smith and Davis and hope they turn it around.

2) Promote somebody from AAA, most likely Vientos.

3) Make a trade. Which ain't gonna be easy, even for a DH. Buyers > Sellers.
I vote for 3. Get R done.
 
We are still number 4 in MLB in runs scored...just saying and number 3 in run differential
I know you said that you don't see many games so I will give you a pass. But they posted a breakdown over the weekend during one of the game telecasts where they showed onscreen the decrease in our run production over the last perhaps 30 or so games. And let's just say it was a stark difference.
 
RHP from Florida. Brandon Sproat. Hits 100mph fastball. Another SEC pitcher.

 
. . . I never used the word expert. You brought that word into this. My point is that a draft analyst is better equipped to grade picks than someone that probably never even heard of any of these players before. . . .
Yeah, we definitely disagree on that, with the disagreement being even stronger because you knew nothing about this guy whose grading you chose to post. The explosion of draft experts--seemingly composed of those who took over for real sportswriters who left because of the drop in pay and newly-minted experts posting from their mom's basement--is amusing to watch, but a waste of internet power.
 
My position is that we need to add a run producing bat. Simple as that.
There are a few things that they could add, but they won't get them all. So they will have to make choices. And if the choice is available, I would default to more and better pitching. If they can get everything, or can't get multiple bullpen arms but can get a hitter, OK, fine.
 
With their 5th round pick the Mets select
D’andre Smith shortstop out of USC.

 
There are a few things that they could add, but they won't get them all. So they will have to make choices. And if the choice is available, I would default to more and better pitching. If they can get everything, or can't get multiple bullpen arms but can get a hitter, OK, fine.
My first default is with you but would go specifically with a setup man. That is by far the number 1. Then we need a bat. Someone like Bell, not Soto

I think we could do both with minimal damage to our farm system
 
6th round Mets select
Tyler Stewart RHP Southern Miss, mid 90s sinker.

 
Saw one report grading every pick, had the first 4 Mets picks as

A+
A
A
C+
So these grades match with that of a writer for Bleacher Report whose most immediate previous qualifications were Elgin Community College, freelance HS Sports Writer, Sales Associate at Ace Hardware, and then Bleacher Report.

That's a perfectly fine resume, and I'm sure he's working hard to make an honest living. But I hope you see what I'm getting at about the internet and recruiting experts.
 
I'm curious- as I am so unfamiliar with the MLB draft...Why would a kid leave college as a Jr if it is going to be 9th round?
In baseball you're eligible after 3 years so just because he was drafted doesn't mean he will sign. He does have some leverage because as you said he's a junior and can return to college. The teams scout these players and talk to them so they generally know the number they'll sign for. They also know themselves and whether or not they gamble on themselves to get drafted higher after another year of college.
 
In baseball you're eligible after 3 years so just because he was drafted doesn't mean he will sign. He does have some leverage because as you said he's a junior and can return to college. The teams scout these players and talk to them so they generally know the number they'll sign for. They also know themselves and whether or not they gamble on themselves to get drafted higher after another year of college.
Also age matters, one of the selections was a sophomore but was just at the age so he was eligible
 
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