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OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread

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While we await #52, think about the bullet we dodged with A-Rod and J-Lo.
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I don't mind that bullet hitting me. 🤣
A-Rod, he can go.
 
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Baseball is BPA always!! Sometimes with slot money you go off that but Mets did well so far even though it wasn't direction I would have gone. Just cause we took Parada doesn't mean Alvarez is going anywhere. Yes we might move him but don't read into it.

Mets have been linked to Jett for a long time. He's 3 to 4 years away most likely. Who knows what Lindor is at that point. Keep bolstering the farm as much as possible.
 
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Still say the Mets should have paid him last year and taken the risk with the injury. Guy has the potential to be a number 1 starter. It was a Wilponian move.
Not sure whether passing on Rocker was a good move, a bad move, or an ugly move. But I am certain it was NOT a Wilponian move. It was a baseball decision, not a financial decision. Based on their review of Rocker's meds, the Mets decided that they preferred having the 11th pick in 2022 to having Rocker in 2021.

It's not like they tried to sign Rocker on the cheap, as you imply. They flat-out pulled their offer.

By the way, I believe MLB changed its draft rule to prohibit a team doing what the Mets did with Rocker. I forget the specific terms, but it's something like if you draft someone in the first round, you MUST offer him at least 80% of slot value. Let the buyer beware.
 
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Not sure whether passing on Rocker was a good move, a bad move, or an ugly move. But I am certain it was NOT a Wilponian move. It was a baseball decision, not a financial decision. Based on their review of Rocker's meds, the Mets decided that they preferred having the 11th pick in 2022 to having Rocker in 2021.

It's not like they tried to sign Rocker on the cheap, as you imply. They flat-out pulled their offer.

By the way, I believe MLB changed its draft rule to prohibit a team doing what the Mets did with Rocker. I forget the specific terms, but it's something like if you draft someone in the first round, you MUST offer him at least 80% of slot value. Let the buyer beware.
If he shares his medicals. Rocker didn't last year. Mets gambled and missed.

He already had shoulder surgery so I don't blame them. Elbow is one thing and then shoulder is a lot worse.
 
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If he shares his medicals. Rocker didn't last year. Mets gambled and missed.

He already had shoulder surgery so I don't blame them. Elbow is one thing and then shoulder is a lot worse.
Mets gambled when they drafted him. Then when they reviewed his meds, they declined to gamble further.
 
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Mets gambled when they drafted him. Then when they reviewed his meds, they declined to gamble further.
Yes exactly.

With other 2 picks tonight will be interesting if they go overslot or not. Think they should save some money for Jett and slot for Parada maybe slightly over.
 
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FWIW - Here is the MLB Pipeline Scouting Report on Jett Williams. In its two mock drafts, one MLB.com guy had Williams to the Mets at 14, the other had him sliding to 21.

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50
At 5-foot-8, Williams might be the smallest player on our Draft Top 250, but he's also a favorite gut-feel guy for a lot of scouts. One crosschecker called him the best hitter on the summer showcase circuit, where he raked despite an injury to his right shoulder. The Mississippi State recruit could factor into the middle of the first round, especially to a club that thinks he can stay at shortstop.
With quick hands, feel for the barrel and a quality right-handed stroke, Williams rarely swings and misses and makes line-drive contact with ease. He has no problem handling premium velocity or quality breaking pitches, and his size belies his power. He should produce at least 15 homers per year with his bat speed and deceptive strength, perhaps more if he gets more aggressive about pulling pitches.
Williams has at least plus speed and knows how to use his quickness on the bases and in the field. He has the hands and actions for shortstop, but he didn't throw well during the summer when his shoulder was bothering him. Some evaluators believe he has solid arm strength when healthy and can stay at short, while others think his arm is more fringy to average and he'll wind up at second base or center field.
 
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And here is the scouting report on Kevin Parada. The two MLB.com mock drafters had him going at 3 and 5 respectively.

Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Run: 40 | Arm: 45 | Field: 50 | Overall: 60

One of the best high school catchers in the 2020 Draft, Parada could have gone in the second or third round if he hadn't been set on attending Georgia Tech. After a strong freshman season and summer with the U.S. collegiate national team, he's expected to be the first backstop selected in 2022. His defense drew some mixed reviews during his college debut but his bat earned praise throughout and he set a school record with 26 homers this spring.

Parada doesn't try to do too much at the plate, keeping his right-handed swing under control and lashing line drives all over the park. He has good feel for the barrel, makes repeated hard contact against all types of pitching and he's showing increased power to all fields this year. He projects as a potential .280-.300 hitter with 20-25 homers per season who could fit into the middle of a big league batting order.

Parada runs well for a catcher but isn't the most agile or physical behind the plate, and he wore down over the course of last spring and summer with Georgia Tech and Team USA. He has looked better as a sophomore and scouts credit him for working diligently on his defense. He earns average to solid grades for his receiving and needs to improve his fringy arm strength and his throwing accuracy after erasing just 12 percent of basestealers as a freshman.
 
One other thing: The rating scale that MLB uses in its evalution goes from 20 to 80. It's basically a bell curve where the average is 50 with a standard deviation of 10. 50 is major league average. 60 is a "plus tool", one SD away from the average. A tool score of 70, or two standard deviations, is considered "plus plus". These are rare indeed.
 
FWIW - Here is the MLB Pipeline Scouting Report on Jett Williams. In its two mock drafts, one MLB.com guy had Williams to the Mets at 14, the other had him sliding to 21.

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50
At 5-foot-8, Williams might be the smallest player on our Draft Top 250, but he's also a favorite gut-feel guy for a lot of scouts. One crosschecker called him the best hitter on the summer showcase circuit, where he raked despite an injury to his right shoulder. The Mississippi State recruit could factor into the middle of the first round, especially to a club that thinks he can stay at shortstop.
With quick hands, feel for the barrel and a quality right-handed stroke, Williams rarely swings and misses and makes line-drive contact with ease. He has no problem handling premium velocity or quality breaking pitches, and his size belies his power. He should produce at least 15 homers per year with his bat speed and deceptive strength, perhaps more if he gets more aggressive about pulling pitches.
Williams has at least plus speed and knows how to use his quickness on the bases and in the field. He has the hands and actions for shortstop, but he didn't throw well during the summer when his shoulder was bothering him. Some evaluators believe he has solid arm strength when healthy and can stay at short, while others think his arm is more fringy to average and he'll wind up at second base or center field.
Well we can use a developmental 2B
 
By way of comparison, here's Francisco Alvarez's current grades:

Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 65 | Run: 40 | Arm: 60 | Field: 50 | Overall: 65

In case you are wondering why the overall grade is higher than his tool average, one reason is that he is a catcher which is a premium position. I think the same effect can be seen in Parada's grades.
 
Baseball is BPA always!! Sometimes with slot money you go off that but Mets did well so far even though it wasn't direction I would have gone. Just cause we took Parada doesn't mean Alvarez is going anywhere. Yes we might move him but don't read into it.

Mets have been linked to Jett for a long time. He's 3 to 4 years away most likely. Who knows what Lindor is at that point. Keep bolstering the farm as much as possible.
I can tell you what Lindor is at this point- our starting SS for a long while. But seriously, Lindor is something like 6-7 in all of MLB with RBI and a great fielder.
I think it is time to let it go..,
 
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I can tell you what Lindor is at this point- our starting SS for a long while. But seriously, Lindor is something like 6-7 in all of MLB with RBI and a great fielder.
I think it is time to let it go..,
Let what go?

I'm saying you have no idea what the future will bring. You just stock pile talent.
 
How are the Mets going to win in the postseason?
In 9 inning games,the Braves' record is 3 games better.
Without the advantage of the runner on second,the plus of having Diaz is wasted as the games will continue past the 10th and the 11th,etc.
Accordingly,the team with a strikeout reliever will generally fare better than will a team a ground ball reliever.
I have found the weakness in this abomination.
 
How are the Mets going to win in the postseason?
In 9 inning games,the Braves' record is 3 games better.
Without the advantage of the runner on second,the plus of having Diaz is wasted as the games will continue past the 10th and the 11th,etc.
Accordingly,the team with a strikeout reliever will generally fare better than will a team a ground ball reliever.
I have found the weakness in this abomination.
Is this a real post?

The runner goes away in the playoffs anyway.
 
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How are the Mets going to win in the postseason?
In 9 inning games,the Braves' record is 3 games better.
Without the advantage of the runner on second,the plus of having Diaz is wasted as the games will continue past the 10th and the 11th,etc.
Accordingly,the team with a strikeout reliever will generally fare better than will a team a ground ball reliever.
I have found the weakness in this abomination.
Man stick to scouring the internet for who died
 
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Mets next pick is #90 then #119. Looks like stays at every other pick is 30 slots later, 149, 179 etc.
 
Saw one report grading every pick, had the first 4 Mets picks as

A+
A
A
C+
 
I am right here making-up grades for the fitst four Mets picks:

A
C+
A-
B

These are equally as valid as the ones that you looked up.
 
I am right here making-up grades for the fitst four Mets picks:

A
C+
A-
B

These are equally as valid as the ones that you looked up.
Other than the fact that they do scout analysis for a living, at least part time, and you I assume do not, so yeah sure, okay.

We all know drafts are a crap shoot, especially baseball.
 
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Well I am not a scout nor do I play one on TV but I have to say……..very excited with the picks so far. Little worried about the pitcher’s health but probably why he went there and not higher. I’d expect us to stockpile some more pitchers. Let’s see what happens.
 
Other than the fact that they do scout analysis for a living . . . .
No they don't. Not unless the "one report" referenced in the post were the grades generated by an actual professional team, which I highly doubt. There ares as many faux experts on the baseball draft as the internet can hold. Almost all of them have no real qualifications, and absolutely none of them are a scouting department led by a professional, experienced, livelihood-on-the-line GM and President of Baseball Operations that have been grinding it out on these players for years. I guess I can understand reading their stuff if its just for fun, or if you want to see video of the player--which most of these internet guys sure as heck know to provide if they want more clicks. But, other than hoping that somehow this internet guy has learned enough through inside sources at multiple teams on how they evaluate a whole host of players and then just averaged that out and copied it, it's meaningless.

I've looked at some of these for the video and the hope that the article might quote a real scout. But I do even less and less of that these days because it's just so meaningless.
 
Take draft grades and put them where the sun don't shine. Football, then basketball are the easiest to gage with built in Triple A college sports. Baseball using HS sports and travel team show cases as much as college to scout is so much more of hit or miss. Waiting 3-5 years for a prospect to make it to The Show is so anti climatic compared to high picks coming right in and starting in both the NFL and NBA. Also, I was pleasantly surprised to see whenever the Mets were on the clock the graphic showed the farm system was ranked #8. Not bad from where they were a few short years ago.
 
No they don't. Not unless the "one report" referenced in the post were the grades generated by an actual professional team, which I highly doubt. There ares as many faux experts on the baseball draft as the internet can hold. Almost all of them have no real qualifications, and absolutely none of them are a scouting department led by a professional, experienced, livelihood-on-the-line GM and President of Baseball Operations that have been grinding it out on these players for years. I guess I can understand reading their stuff if its just for fun, or if you want to see video of the player--which most of these internet guys sure as heck know to provide if they want more clicks. But, other than hoping that somehow this internet guy has learned enough through inside sources at multiple teams on how they evaluate a whole host of players and then just averaged that out and copied it, it's meaningless.

I've looked at some of these for the video and the hope that the article might quote a real scout. But I do even less and less of that these days because it's just so meaningless.
I bet they at least heard of The players and saw them, at least on video, did you? I’ll stick with my original statement, mlb draft is a crap shoot but these are the reports grades I saw. Enjoy
 
How are the Mets going to win in the postseason?
In 9 inning games,the Braves' record is 3 games better.
Without the advantage of the runner on second,the plus of having Diaz is wasted as the games will continue past the 10th and the 11th,etc.
Accordingly,the team with a strikeout reliever will generally fare better than will a team a ground ball reliever.
I have found the weakness in this abomination.
Scherzer and a potentially healthy deGrom is how this team wins in the post season.
 
Is this a real post?

The runner goes away in the playoffs anyway.
That is exactly the point that I'm making.The runner on second favors teams with strikeout relievers over those with ground ball relievers.In 2019 baseball,there is no advantage.
 
Scherzer and a potentially healthy deGrom is how this team wins in the post season.
This is a huge point, even with the regular season.

We are in first place in the NL East and the third best record in MLB with pitching our 3-7 starters for almost the entire season.
 
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I bet they at least heard of The players and saw them, at least on video, did you?
No, of course not. It's hard to fathom a dumber thing to try to do.

But if your standard for identifying someone as a recruiting expert is based solely on whether that person has heard the recruits' names and may have seen the recruits' videos, well . . . .

And if your backup method for identifying someone as an expert is to find a different person on the internet who admits that he hasn't done and wouldn't do those things, well . . . .
 
This is a huge point, even with the regular season.

We are in first place in the NL East and the third best record in MLB with pitching our 3-7 starters for almost the entire season.
We'll need a bullpen. We may be able to get by with this offense. But we'll definitely need a bullpen.
 
Mets gambled when they drafted him. Then when they reviewed his meds, they declined to gamble further.
I disagree Doc. If you knew you were gambling going in, which the Mets did because 9 other teams had passed on him, then you have to have the courage of your convictions to see the bet through. We could have drafted another player in the 10 slot who would be in the system for a year already and thus closer to contributing.
 
No, of course not. It's hard to fathom a dumber thing to try to do.

But if your standard for identifying someone as a recruiting expert is based solely on whether that person has heard the recruits' names and may have seen the recruits' videos, well . . . .

And if your backup method for identifying someone as an expert is to find a different person on the internet who admits that he hasn't done and wouldn't do those things, well . . . .
You need better reading comprehension. Go back to see what I said.
 
If a MLB LFer can’t make THAT throw, he shouldn’t be in MLB. He was ready to throw when Lindor hit third. Should’ve been a stop right there and extend the inning.

At least the Mets won 3/4. Should’ve been a sweep but keep winning series.
If he doesn't make a good throw LIndor is safe.
 
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