OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread
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Bunting Nido there makes Eppler look like a complete fool.
When you have such little faith in your starting catcher (he was basically splitting time with McCann when he was healthy) that you BUNT HIM AS THE TYING RUN IN THE 7TH INNING AND TREAT HIM AS A PITCHER….well I don’t want to hear shit about prospects and rentals and such.
That position HAD to be improved if your serious about winning a World Series.
When you have such little faith in your starting catcher (he was basically splitting time with McCann when he was healthy) that you BUNT HIM AS THE TYING RUN IN THE 7TH INNING AND TREAT HIM AS A PITCHER….well I don’t want to hear shit about prospects and rentals and such.
That position HAD to be improved if your serious about winning a World Series.
Ok then. Pirates called up Holderman today to replace somebody whom they had just traded. His ERA is impressive, albeit with a small sample size. His W-L is irrelevant.
It would be wrong to call Holderman a fluke as was suggested earlier. But neither is he a proven commodity. He's still a prospect, and contenders trade prospects. No problem there, at least for me.
My thoughts on Trades or lack of them at deadline:
I'm happy:
- That no top prospects were traded.
I'm disappointed:
- That no deal could be swung for a catcher; lefty reliever and/or impact righty bat in lineup for other prospects. I am still mystified how other teams regularly swing deals giving up nada and we never do.
- That Darren Ruf is the best we can do. And furthermore got fleeced on the deal.
Conclusion about Eppler and Front office Staff:
- Either Eppler is inept
- Possibly Eppler has a lot of confidence in Vientos and/or Alvarez to contribute this year
- Eppler thinks adding Degrom; May and Megill is sufficient in addition to Vogelbach / Nyguin etc.
- Possibly Eppler is overvaluing team
- Possibly Eppler thinks little tinkering was all that was needed.
All I know is that this is a PR NIghtmare for the Mets - which is a shame - and I'm nervous about Padres and Phillies vastly improving themselves and we did very little.
Our lineup is not up to snuff with other playoff teams nor is our bullpen leading up to Diaz.
I'm happy:
- That no top prospects were traded.
I'm disappointed:
- That no deal could be swung for a catcher; lefty reliever and/or impact righty bat in lineup for other prospects. I am still mystified how other teams regularly swing deals giving up nada and we never do.
- That Darren Ruf is the best we can do. And furthermore got fleeced on the deal.
Conclusion about Eppler and Front office Staff:
- Either Eppler is inept
- Possibly Eppler has a lot of confidence in Vientos and/or Alvarez to contribute this year
- Eppler thinks adding Degrom; May and Megill is sufficient in addition to Vogelbach / Nyguin etc.
- Possibly Eppler is overvaluing team
- Possibly Eppler thinks little tinkering was all that was needed.
All I know is that this is a PR NIghtmare for the Mets - which is a shame - and I'm nervous about Padres and Phillies vastly improving themselves and we did very little.
Our lineup is not up to snuff with other playoff teams nor is our bullpen leading up to Diaz.
I was with you right up to the point about the "PR Nightmare". That is irrelevant. It would be less than irrelevant, if less than irrelevant were a thing.
I also disagree we got fleeced on the Ruf trade. For practical purposes It was Ruf for two Low A lottery tickets. Szapucki had marginal trade value, and Davis had none.
That said, there is a LOT to agree with in your post!
I agree more with you, and a lot with Big East Phil, but disagree on the bullpen. That remains to be seen. Nogosek had a bad night.
Mets came out flat tonight all around. It happens.
Speaking of trades, and it is still early, but Benintendi is 1/17 for the Yankees in his first 6 games. And they just lost to Seattle. Bad night for NY teams.
Pertaining to Benetendi, his stats have regressed over the past few years. I wouldn't expect much from him if I were an awful Yankee fan. Funny thing is I thought Yankees made good deal for Bader (trading Montgomery) however Yankee fans appear not too happy with that deal.
Back to the bullpen, we did get the one reliever, and do you feel any better with Megill in the pen?
Givens is a dependable reliever. I would have preferred Robertson but my thought is Buck may have desired Givens due to their past relationship with Baltimore.
I also think Eppler feels that Peterson will be the lefty in the bullpen and Megill will also add depth / bridge to Diaz.
I like Megill a lot and I hope he's as valuable in the bullpen as he was as a starter before he got hurt.
So you’ve got a team with a .631 winning percentage that just won 7 games in a row, it loses a game, and you then get pages of some of the whiniest posts you could ever read. Yup. It’s the internet. Just checking.
I never try to get caught up on a single game in baseball- hell, the Yankees were no hit this year. And our offense is hot/cold. Overall- the BP hasn’t really been awful. The kid that gave up 3 last night, this is the first time he had a game like this- it happens. Met fans have been complaining about Ottavino and his 0.93 whip and how he struggles, Lugo started bad and now with a low 3 era Nogosek- even after last night 2.30 era etc
We have a couple of guys Rodriguez mostly and Shreve when he was here…which was the issue we needed to really address- a lefty
what I did like yesterday- deGrom looked good and scheduled for his next start.
now we need to find a way to hang on to first place and hope Dodgers/Braves/SD all have to beat up on each other before we face one of them…
It’s pretty simple to me. Mets had 3 weak spots on the roster heading into the deadline. RH DH, bullpen depth/versatility and catcher.
Eppler only solidified 1 of those 3. That is a failure by the GM. How he couldn’t find a way to get another bullpen arm, specifically one who has a history of getting LH out, is beyond me. Or how he couldn’t find a way to trade middling prospects for Christian Vazquez like Houston did.
We seem to agree often, or at least I think we do, but c'mon. Mets had their ace back on the mound against one of the worst teams baseball that lost their two best players. I'm usually mister sunshine, but some whining was justified.
And it shows that nothing is given to the purportedly better team. While it would be safe to assume San Diego will be world beaters after yesterday's trades, it would not surprisee if they come up short.
The Mets farm system made it almost a certainty that the Mets couldn’t make a big splash or fill multiple WS-hopeful needs at the trade deadline. Other teams were able to do much, much more. It may or may not work out for those teams, but it’s not hard to see why they could do it and the Mets could not. A GM with a below-average system can’t just muse good mid-season trades into existence.
The worst team in baseball history won 25% of its games. They beat some very good teams along the way. This is not college football. It's baseball. These things happen all the time.
They won 25% of their games with their two best players on the team, who were not on the team last night.
But do these things happen all the time?
A guy named Menses in his first MLB appearance hits a home run. (sure it happens once in a rare while).
Luis Garcia, who before last night, had 11 home runs in over 550 plate appearances, also homers.
Against Nogosek, who in 14.2 innings this season, prior to last night, gave up 1 earned run.
This combination of things rarely happens.
I'm not upset as other are about the trade results. Last night's result and overreaction notwithstanding, I think the BP will be fine.
Seemed other teams were asking the Mets to give up a lot to get any worthwhile trades, and I also think they did OK in adding Vogelbach, Naquin, Ruf (they needed to unload JD and they did) and Givens.
Onward, upward. There, I said it. 😁
August 2 Mets Farm Report (Top 25 prospects per MLB Pipeline)
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – 2/5, R, K, .193/.789
2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 1/5, 2B(22), 2 R, BB, 2 K, .304/.918
3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) – 3/6, HR(19), 2B(21), 3 R, 3 RBI, .254/.780
4) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 1/5, 2 K, .294/.904
5) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, R, BB, 2 K, .267/.871
6) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023
7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/4, BB, 2 K, .197/.688
8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – 1/3, R, RBI, 2 BB, .211/.666
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) – 2/3, R, RBI, .220/.650
14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 0/5, BB, K, .249/.729
16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023
19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) – Injured Expected return 2022
21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022
22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023
23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
24) Josh Walker LHP (FCL Mets) – DNP
25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) – 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR, 5.24
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – 2/5, R, K, .193/.789
2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 1/5, 2B(22), 2 R, BB, 2 K, .304/.918
3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) – 3/6, HR(19), 2B(21), 3 R, 3 RBI, .254/.780
4) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 1/5, 2 K, .294/.904
5) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, R, BB, 2 K, .267/.871
6) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023
7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/4, BB, 2 K, .197/.688
8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – 1/3, R, RBI, 2 BB, .211/.666
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) – 2/3, R, RBI, .220/.650
14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 0/5, BB, K, .249/.729
16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023
19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) – Injured Expected return 2022
21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022
22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023
23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
24) Josh Walker LHP (FCL Mets) – DNP
25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) – 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR, 5.24
It's unusual to win 7 straight games. Not a lot of teams have winning percentages over .630 or are in first place all year. A lot of things are unusual. And when you're a team like that, you're losing 37% of your games, and some of them will be bad. And then, you know, this stuff happens on the internet.
There are 162 games in a season. Who else does that. All sorts of things happen.
Good to see that Alvarez is preparing to say goodbye to the Mendoza family.
Trying to be objective about the trade deadline for the NL contenders, here is my take:
1. The Mets improved their DH spot with Vogelbach and Ruf over Smith and Davis. Not impact bats but they seem to fit the teams desire to make contact and move the baserunners along. Team chemistry is good and we did not bring in big egos who could mess that up. A plus is Ruf has been through the wars with the Giants and can bring some leadership in a pennant race. The Givens move helps a bit but a lefty was really a priority. I give the Mets a C.
2. Braves got Iglesias who will be very good for them and gives them a second closer along with Jansen. Grossman replaces the injured Duvall. Ordorizzi gives them some starter depth. Braves get a B-.
3. Phils did a lot at the end of the day in acquiring Thor and Robertson to bolster their pitching. Wheeler, Nola, and Thor give them a trio of good starters for any series. Robertson was not loved in his last go around in Philly and it remains to be seen if he pitches better there this time. They did get a CF which will help them defensively. Overall I give them a B.
4. The Brew crew sold off their closer which is odd but they did get a closer in return and have a good 8th inning guy there already who can also close. Speculation was they did not want to pay Hader 17 million next year to close. I am not sure I trade a lights out guy like that in the middle of a pennant race. Brewers also picked up Matt Bush and Trevor Rosenthal but I am not sure they add anything more than depth to that pen. Grade D.
5. The Cards improved by adding two starting pitchers in Quintana and Montgomery. This deepens their rotation but the moves are not game changers. Grade C.
6. The Dodgers did a Joey Gallo deal giving them a lefty bat and some outfield help. They did not do a lot because they did not need to do a lot. Grade Incomplete.
7. The Padres did it all. They are going for the gold and not worrying about the future. Hader, Soto, Bell and Drury are huge moves. I give them an F. An F as in this could f**k the Mets in October.
1. The Mets improved their DH spot with Vogelbach and Ruf over Smith and Davis. Not impact bats but they seem to fit the teams desire to make contact and move the baserunners along. Team chemistry is good and we did not bring in big egos who could mess that up. A plus is Ruf has been through the wars with the Giants and can bring some leadership in a pennant race. The Givens move helps a bit but a lefty was really a priority. I give the Mets a C.
2. Braves got Iglesias who will be very good for them and gives them a second closer along with Jansen. Grossman replaces the injured Duvall. Ordorizzi gives them some starter depth. Braves get a B-.
3. Phils did a lot at the end of the day in acquiring Thor and Robertson to bolster their pitching. Wheeler, Nola, and Thor give them a trio of good starters for any series. Robertson was not loved in his last go around in Philly and it remains to be seen if he pitches better there this time. They did get a CF which will help them defensively. Overall I give them a B.
4. The Brew crew sold off their closer which is odd but they did get a closer in return and have a good 8th inning guy there already who can also close. Speculation was they did not want to pay Hader 17 million next year to close. I am not sure I trade a lights out guy like that in the middle of a pennant race. Brewers also picked up Matt Bush and Trevor Rosenthal but I am not sure they add anything more than depth to that pen. Grade D.
5. The Cards improved by adding two starting pitchers in Quintana and Montgomery. This deepens their rotation but the moves are not game changers. Grade C.
6. The Dodgers did a Joey Gallo deal giving them a lefty bat and some outfield help. They did not do a lot because they did not need to do a lot. Grade Incomplete.
7. The Padres did it all. They are going for the gold and not worrying about the future. Hader, Soto, Bell and Drury are huge moves. I give them an F. An F as in this could f**k the Mets in October.
Good summary- will add in with the Met's- we have a very top heavy minor league system. We did not give up a single on of them. Doesn't move our needle for this year but glad to have these guys getting close. We also moved JD(I like him but he has not performed in way too long) Ruff is a much better fill than JD as the RH DH. Giving up Holderman looking back at what other teams did at TD, may have been too much but it looks like we did get a good return.
As for SD- yes, they grand slammed the TD but at what cost of the future- but the worry is about this year- hopefully, the silver lining is that if we hang onto 1st, we may only have to face one of either the Dodgers or SD on the way to the WS, not both.
I only just looked at Ruf's splits against lefties- pretty damn good over 111 AB - 9 HR .252 BA .368 OBP .523 Slg .887 OPS
Volgelback vs Righties is even better.
Combined as a platoon Ruf vs L And VB vs R
302 AB 14 D 1 T 21 HR 51 RB! about a .260 BA .370 OBP and almost .900 OPS
Compare that to JD and Smith and we may have the best record in baseball at this point if we had these 2 to start the year.
Wish Givens was a Lefty- guy has been really good this year - good pickup
Volgelback vs Righties is even better.
Combined as a platoon Ruf vs L And VB vs R
302 AB 14 D 1 T 21 HR 51 RB! about a .260 BA .370 OBP and almost .900 OPS
Compare that to JD and Smith and we may have the best record in baseball at this point if we had these 2 to start the year.
Wish Givens was a Lefty- guy has been really good this year - good pickup
I thought some mentioned Chicago wanted at least two of the Mets' top prospects for Robertson. It turns out the Cubs sent Robertson to the Phillies for a rookie A-ball prospect. I still think there is pushback against Cohen owning the team. It started with no team allowing the Mets to interview candidates from their team for the open GM job. Next, the Mets wanted to trade for players, and every team asked for the Moon, but those same teams ended up trading the same players for peanuts. There is a lot of hate against the Mets from most of the MLB, but no one is talking about it.
League has to be keeping an eye on cohens casino bid , they can’t stop it but Cohen would most likely use some of the profits to cover the payroll luxury tax.
Mets would spend like drunken sailors if Cohen has some spare change/few hundred million extra to tell the baseball world to kiss his A$$
Mets would spend like drunken sailors if Cohen has some spare change/few hundred million extra to tell the baseball world to kiss his A$$
I totally agree with you.
But when i mention this here, Im full of 💩, I have a conspiracy theory, or Im over exaggerating.
Agree with it too.
if it burns us this year- then I hope Cohen just gives the Cohen tax a big F U next year
How isn't this the very definition of a conspiracy theory?
So how did it go from wanting one of the top four prospect in the Mets org/MiLB for Robertson to getting an A Ball pitcher with TJ???
Cubs Have 'Indicated High Price' in Possible Contreras, Robertson Trades, Still No Names Exchanged with Mets -
The Mets have looked like an excellent trade partner with the Cubs on Willson Contreras and/or David Robertson, but SNY’s Andy Martino tweeted Friday morning that no names have been exchanged yet. He added that the Cubs “have indicated high price” and that the Mets are reluctant to deal...
www.cubsinsider.com
Cubs Have 'Indicated High Price' in Possible Contreras, Robertson Trades, Still No Names Exchanged with Mets -
The Mets have looked like an excellent trade partner with the Cubs on Willson Contreras and/or David Robertson, but SNY’s Andy Martino tweeted Friday morning that no names have been exchanged yet. He added that the Cubs “have indicated high price” and that the Mets are reluctant to deal...
www.cubsinsider.com
We might not have filled all of the needs that I would have liked but I feel okay in saying the Braves didn't do much either. Duvall might not be a high average guy but he was a home run threat at any time and led the NL in rbi in 2021. They traded for an OF with a .205 2hr 23 rbi level of production in close to 300 p.a.
It is a conspiracy that doesn't work because teams would hurt themselves more by having a "Cohen Tax". It doesn't make any sense in the real world. Just as an example the Cubs GM is going to actively hurt improving his team just so they can stick it to the Mets? Great for him he'll be out of a job but boy he really showed the Mets they need to overpay for any business they want done! But then he also makes a deal with the Mets that had no "Cohen Tax." So which is it?
So how did Robertson’s value go from wanting one of the top four prospect in the Mets org/MiLB to getting an Phillies’ A Ball pitcher with TJ in a matter of hours???
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