OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread
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This is huge. Now, even 1 of 3 in Atlanta and it’s in the Mets hands due to the tie-breaker.
We are all giddy with victory, but we ain't extending Escobar. Not with another year left on his contract, and Baty waiting in the wings.
He has played LF. Not sure how well.
Like a lot of Mets, I think his best position is DH.
Buck just said the plan is deGrom on Friday. Which sets him up for the finale Wednesday if needed. Then Scherzer/Bassitt. Subject to change due to the weather.
Smith was likely pitching for his roster spot. Givens, who is on the COVID IL, is ready to return. He pitched a rehab inning for Syracuse today, in the Syracuse finale. If he is activated someone would have to be dropped. Then they can reset the roster for the playoffs, but with 26 not 28.
The good news is if the Mets win 4,5, or 6 of the final games they get the bye no matter what the Braves do.
If they only win 3 of 6, Braves need to win at least 5 to get the Bye.
I vote for sweeping the Braves and the finals vs Nats don’t matter.
If they only win 3 of 6, Braves need to win at least 5 to get the Bye.
I vote for sweeping the Braves and the finals vs Nats don’t matter.
I must say I was pleasantly surprised that Alonso was able to score on Esco's game tying hit. I thought he was gonna be dead meat because the OF wasn't that deep.
It’s not clear that he can really play any of them.
Even though someone said Escobar is a bench player at best and that his last 100 or so AB’s don’t matter(I’m sure he wanted to DFA the worst trade ever last year as well)
Escobar may have made Baty trade bait.
Escobar may have made Baty trade bait.
I assume you are using hyperbole to make a point. Point made. BUT PLEASE NEVER USE "BATY" AND "TRADE" IN THE SAME SENTENCE AGAIN.
FWIW, MLB Pipeline projects that Baty will develop into an average fielder at 3B, with a plus arm.
Given that that’s coming from MLB’s marketing arm, it suggests that he has fielding problems.
Baty will be fine at 3B. Vientos will be better at DH with some spot time at 3B if really needed.
Baseball America, Keith Law, Baseball Prospectus, Fangraphs, and my own eyes all think so too. He needs more reps but he didn't look unplayable there in his couple weeks before the injuries. Made some nice throws and bungled some decision but that is expected out of a rookie.
Furthermore you call it the marketing arm but it's not like they praise every single player. They're very fair with their assessments. Callis has been doing this for 40 years and is not just there to promote every single prospect. You can look through various reports citing bad D with a good bat and Baty isn't one of them.
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It was me. 1 month of a scorching hot bat still doesn't change my opinion that next year he'll split time with Baty at 3B and eventually get pushed to bench. It certainly doesn't make Baty trade bait unless they are getting an absolute superstar in return. Escobar will be 34 at the start of next season.
Escobar can be productive down the road as a dh. Next year in my opinion he plays 3b. From what I have seen of baty his bat needs a bit more seasoning but his glove needs another year of work. I would prefer to see him start next year in aaa and co.e up after the all star break.
Any of our top prospects would need to be in a package for a superstar.
And while there is a ton of potential in Baty- he doesn't have me sold yet...He has started out with a bat like Kelenic and a glove like Davis...
To push Escobar to the bench- he would have to be setting the league on fire with his bat next year.
And let's say Nimmo leaves- are we going to be forced to move McNeil into left field full time?
If so- then we could always move Escobar over to 2nd and Baty at 2B.
Last year, I believe Lindor had a month that he was hot...What was your take on him at the end of 2021?
I don't know why you would feel the need to defend a business's marketing as not being that. It is. It's fine.
Listen, every baseball team has a deep scouting department and process. They do this for a living, sweat over it, are evaluated, and have their livelihoods on the line. If we were given a peek into their evaluations, it would be very impressive. But many of them stink, others are mediocre, and some are great. We know that because you ultimately see the results of their work in the makeup of the MLB team, which stink, are mediocre or are great.
And, while some of them are not good enought at it, they are all better than sports reporters who don't do half of what the teams do, don't have the resources to do what the teams do, and mostly rely on what they hear from others. Same for people who are relegated to an MLB marketing arm.
I know that you're into this stuff, and so I'd expect that you'd understand what you're into. And, with that understanding, I'm not saying anything controversial.
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We'll see what the team decides but I have a feeling they agree with me more than you but we'll see next year. If Escobar is given the starting role right out of ST next year and he hits like he has in September then obviously I was wrong and Baty won't be up or will be at another position. I just tend to think he won't continue this.
If Nimmo leaves it opens up a lot of options so hard to speculate because I don't know if they go after another true CF in FA or slide someone in that role like Canha and/or Mangum. I think they would keep McNeil at 2B and put Baty in LF possibly though. McNeil giving us GG like defense at 2B so don't want to move that.
Every situation is different. In Lindor's case he obviously had to get settled into NY and age is not similar to Escobar. Esco is getting old and Lindor was not at the end of last year. Lindor's track record was more consistent than Esco's as well.
If the Mets are putting 27 year old rookie Jake Mangum in the lineup next year in CF, things have gone terribly awry.
Don't know if they would want a defensive type who has shown he can hit a little. Were you saying the same thing about 26 year old rookie Jeff McNeil when he was finally given a chance and proved he can play? If Mangum keeps hitting he'll get a shot eventually. He might even open up with the team as a bench player replacement OF.
Depending on how much they spend on retaining our own FA's and seeing what's in the CF market they might lean that way. I personally wouldn't hand the job to him but just give him a bench role mid-season if he continues to hit.
So being a bench player replacement and your starting CF are two different things. The Mets system has too many of the former.
I appreciate that you follow the minors. But you're suggesting Baty in the outfiled, Mangum in the outfield, Baty and Vientos should have been elevated earlier. You may be in too deep, my brother. One of the harder things to do when you follow something closely is to stay objective and reliaze that it's not very good, and that's the situation with the Mets system. Here's hoping that things got better with this year's draft.
I appreciate that you follow the minors. But you're suggesting Baty in the outfiled, Mangum in the outfield, Baty and Vientos should have been elevated earlier. You may be in too deep, my brother. One of the harder things to do when you follow something closely is to stay objective and reliaze that it's not very good, and that's the situation with the Mets system. Here's hoping that things got better with this year's draft.
I am trying to guess what the team might do. I just said I wouldn't do that personally i.e. Mangum. I am giving multiple options as what we might possibly do. It depends on way too many factors to say anything definitive as we don't know who we'll re-sign and for what kind of money. The organization can pivot multiple ways this off-season. I'm not for starting 5 rookies in the OD lineup next year for crying out loud. I do think Alvarez(C), Vientos(DH), and Baty(3B possibly LF depending) will be given opportunities by the team to win starting jobs in ST next year.
Vientos should have been up earlier than he was this year. Baty was a last resort I was hoping he'd stay in AAA all year but with all the injuries at the time it was a necessity. Things did get better with this years draft and as we'll see this off-season the Mets farm will be ranked much better by all but I know you don't care about that so you don't need to comment back.
I liked your overall post but…
unless something just crazy happens- 2023 opening day will have Escobar in the starting lineup. Zero, 0 , nada unless trade injury beat up his wife or GF will not have him starting in the lineup.
or, Baty has been 20 for 35 5 HR’s pre season
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My thought on the series coming up- biggest series in year...
My gosh- we really should need only 1 but give me 2 so I can sleep.
Great team and year we have had no matter what- Braves would have won 3 divisions.
OK- game ass 1 -deGrom- I expect him to be that 7 inning 12+ k 1 run guy.
IF, he blows it in a way where he just gave up 3+ in 5 innings- he better have a killer playoffs and WS to have me pony up the next contract.
On the other hand- he closes them down and out in this next game and continues during playoffs- he IS the must sign.
We need Marte back ASAP -we are not the same team without him...Lindor/McNeil/Nimmo/Alonso/Escobar have been solid to great in his absence but if he had been in the lineup- we would be 3 games.
Ottavino- do you guys like him yet? lol
This has been a crazy be freaking great season- but the difference between winning the division and not is huge.
My gosh- we really should need only 1 but give me 2 so I can sleep.
Great team and year we have had no matter what- Braves would have won 3 divisions.
OK- game ass 1 -deGrom- I expect him to be that 7 inning 12+ k 1 run guy.
IF, he blows it in a way where he just gave up 3+ in 5 innings- he better have a killer playoffs and WS to have me pony up the next contract.
On the other hand- he closes them down and out in this next game and continues during playoffs- he IS the must sign.
We need Marte back ASAP -we are not the same team without him...Lindor/McNeil/Nimmo/Alonso/Escobar have been solid to great in his absence but if he had been in the lineup- we would be 3 games.
Ottavino- do you guys like him yet? lol
This has been a crazy be freaking great season- but the difference between winning the division and not is huge.
All three will be in camp next year, we'll read that they have a chance to win a starting job out of spring training, but in reality they won't--not without an injury or the Mets not being able to sign who/what they want in the offseason.
The playerwith the best chance is Alvarez, but it's almost certain that he won't win a starting job out of spring training. The Mets will want him to hit for a steady period of time in AAA first. If he does that, sure, he has a chance at a starting job. He's the best prospect, and the Mets are weak offensively at catcher. Vientos won't beat out Escobar for the starting job. And, unless something goes wrong in the offseason, there won't be a slot for Baty. These guys are good/decent prospects, but not game changers. Our top 5 needs to start looking better for this system to produce.
They were something like .623 WP at the all star break...
The Met's have been very good and actually very consistent all year- they have been under attack by one of the hottest teams since the break- they have been holding them off in a very back and forth playoff race- after the innitial gap closed, less by the Met's being bad but by a team being historically good- it even closed up and gave the Braves a momentary lead and then the Met's scrap back to get that game lead again going into the series...
WTH are you talking about?
The Brave have expended a lot of energy trying to catch the Mets. If DeGrom can shut them down and we beat Fried they may just be cooked emotionally for the remaining two games.
If deGrom, deGroms them- we have a 2 game lead and a 3 game “lead”
Would be huge with Max and Bassitt coming next.
Braves pretty much know this game is pretty much it- which can be scary
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