OT: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees Announced

[Night Man]

All of this is with the disclaimer that the RRHOF just kinda lets all broadly revered artists in nowadays as long as it's rock or there are English-speaking vocals in their music, so pretty much all of them belong by precedent:

This is kind of a thin group.

Rage should be in - gotta be a few years eligible now. Probably hurt by only having 3 albums IIRC.

I don't remember, do they induct songwriters or just artists? Is Carole King already in with Gerry Goffin as songwriters? If not, she should have been in a while ago. I only know Tapestry, which is a tour de force, so maybe she didn't put out a lot of music as a solo artist.

Not sure why Jay-Z is being compared unfavorably to LL - LL was part of the hip hop genre's formation, which is huge, but was only putting out relevant stuff for maybe 10-12 years. And not nearly at the clip that Jay-Z was putting out solid albums in his prime, which is 20 years ago at this point.

Tina Turner is a shoo-in if you combine the work with Ike and the solo work but if she's already in with Ike, it becomes tougher.

Fela Kuti was a god and I'd love to see him in, ASAP.

Foo Fighters don't strike me as a first-ballot type but in a year like this, they probably are. Really solid multi-decade career.

Maiden - I don't listen to metal but aren't they in or around the top 5 in metal prestige? How are they still waiting?

Mary J. - I don't see it. Really like "Real Love" and "Family Affair," but not sure the body of work is there.

Rundgren - sure, why not. Some good pop tunes and more experimental stuff.

Devo - a lot of post-punk just doesn't do it for me, and the classic Are We Not Men album is one of those. "Whip It" is fun. Been eligible for almost 20 years, no reason to deny these vets forever.

Go-Go's - see Mary J.

Kate Bush - a lot of people love her, I never really dug in, abstain. That cover of "Running Up That Hill" that came out 2 years ago was kind of a carbon copy of the original and it made me wonder if KB was finally getting a big time financial windfall after flying under the radar with mediocre sales on her albums?

Chaka - not sure, I know a few songs and if you credit her for Rufus maybe that makes it easier.

NY Dolls - very influential genre-wise. Glam + moved the chains toward punk. Never actually listened to them. They gotta get in at some point.

Dionne Warwick - another one where there's no rush but no good reason to keep her out forever given who's in at this point

 

[bac2therac]

Kate Bush is enormous in England. Its her originality and influence on fe.male artists. However not sure she fits in an American Hall of Fame


Better choice is Annie Lennox

Yes LL did it early and thats exactly why he deserves it over Jay Z. He paved the way when rap was not commercial.

The Go Gos slam dunk

Mary J pretty weak sauce when talking all time elites

 

[AntiG]

im shocked that Iron Maiden wasn't already in

 

[Kbee3]

I like what Levon Helm said in “The Last Waltz” They asked him what he called all the cross overs between county, blues, Motown and jazz, his answer was Rock N Roll!
I have no problem with a rap and r&b being included in the Rock N Roll HOF

What did he have to say about rap ?

 

[Kbee3]

The nominees:

• Mary J. Blige
• Kate Bush
• Devo
• Foo Fighters
• The Go-Go’s
• Iron Maiden
• Jay-Z
• Chaka Khan
• Carole King
• Fela Kuti
• LL Cool J
• New York Dolls
• Rage Against the Machine
• Todd Rundgren
• Tina Turner
• Dionne Warwick

I'm trying to figure out what more than half of them have to do with Rock 'N' Roll.

I only have stuff by Kate Bush and Tina Turner.
Dionne Warwick ? Mary J. Blige ? Rock and Roll ?
LL Cool J ? Rock ?
BTW, Tony Bennett disrespected again.

 

[ashokan]

Jay Z will win the fan vote, it will be criminal that he would be in BEFORE LL Cool J

I can listen to LL. I never saw Jay as talented at all. He just chants nonsense. He reminded me of what Keuth Richards said:

“Rap — so many words, so little said. What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there. All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another...I’m sick of “Mary Had a Little Lamb” with a heavy-handed drum machine going”

 

[robcac26]

no kids are actually listening to terrestrial radio anymore...at least not by choice.

(edit)

they are being "guided" by spotify, YT, apple music and by what the tastemakers on tiktok and IG are using in their video clips. kids' musical tastes are being driven by algorithms, not by true discovery. the YT reactors are also feeding off of the algorithms. they know which songs and what types of "shocking" reactions are going to get them the most views.

Actually I think you are way off here. You seem to be implying that these algorithms direct you to music they want you to hear, when really it's based on what other content you have watched or listened to. That's the whole point of personalized targeted marketing, it's programmed to direct you to stuff you're more likely to be interested in. I've found some great bands I never would have heard of thanks to YouTube's programmed suggestions based on other videos I've watched.

It's actually much easier to seek out your own musical tastes and discover more music now than ever before because bands can put their music on their website for free, and anyone can access it without having to pay anything. Then you have customizable "radio" like Pandora that can lead you to discover new artists in a genre you like based on you giving the songs they play a thumbs up or thumbs down so that it tailors its playlists to your liking. You can follow your favorite record labels on social media and you will then see posts about bands on that label that you may not have heard of yet. I'm on a few music facebook groups where people often post new music of that genre to share with the rest of the group.

Before people found their music on the internet, you just had terrestrial radio, which plays the same rotation of about 50ish songs every day, and magazines and MTV telling you who you should listen to. How did you even discover anything that wasn't popular back then? Did you have to buy an entire album without having listened to it first, or borrow it from someone who did? I have a never-ending list of new albums to check out, and I don't know how this would have been possible 25 years ago without having to spend a lot of money.

 

[RUaMoose]

Iron Maiden is extremely underrated. I've been listening to them again lately after a 30 year hiatus, you should have listed Revelations too!

Powerslave is their best album, imo. With NOTB, Piece of Mind and Somewhere in Time not too far behind. Of their newer, post 80s stuff, I like Brave New World

 

[colbert17]

My ballot:

Iron Maiden
The Go - Gos
Carole King
Tina Turner
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren

 

[ElmiraExpress]

The nominees:

• Mary J. Blige
• Kate Bush
• Devo
• Foo Fighters
• The Go-Go’s
• Iron Maiden
• Jay-Z
• Chaka Khan
• Carole King
• Fela Kuti
• LL Cool J
• New York Dolls
• Rage Against the Machine
• Todd Rundgren
• Tina Turner
• Dionne Warwick

I'm trying to figure out what more than half of them have to do with Rock 'N' Roll.

Iron Maiden, and possibly Todd Rundgen ... that’s it.

 

[RUInsanity]

My ballot:

Iron Maiden
The Go - Gos
Carole King
Tina Turner
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren

On board with this list. I would also strongly consider New York Dolls (re: emergence of the early Punk scene) and Rage (selfish personal preference because just want to see them perform - reunion delayed because of the virus).

Side note - Rundgren has produced something like 100 albums for various artists - guy's a musical genius.

 

[RUevolution36]

Actually I think you are way off here. You seem to be implying that these algorithms direct you to music they want you to hear, when really it's based on what other content you have watched or listened to. That's the whole point of personalized targeted marketing, it's programmed to direct you to stuff you're more likely to be interested in. I've found some great bands I never would have heard of thanks to YouTube's programmed suggestions based on other videos I've watched.

It's actually much easier to seek out your own musical tastes and discover more music now than ever before because bands can put their music on their website for free, and anyone can access it without having to pay anything. Then you have customizable "radio" like Pandora that can lead you to discover new artists in a genre you like based on you giving the songs they play a thumbs up or thumbs down so that it tailors its playlists to your liking. You can follow your favorite record labels on social media and you will then see posts about bands on that label that you may not have heard of yet. I'm on a few music facebook groups where people often post new music of that genre to share with the rest of the group.

Before people found their music on the internet, you just had terrestrial radio, which plays the same rotation of about 50ish songs every day, and magazines and MTV telling you who you should listen to. How did you even discover anything that wasn't popular back then? Did you have to buy an entire album without having listened to it first, or borrow it from someone who did? I have a never-ending list of new albums to check out, and I don't know how this would have been possible 25 years ago without having to spend a lot of money.

Youtube and especially Spotify know EXACTLY what i like to listen to. Yet... they will still suggest what is currently most popular in that genre above a lesser known artist that I have actually followed, despite the fact that the artist I like just put out a new album.

And I agree that access to music is now easier than ever, however, it does still take effort by a listener to want to dig into something else. When they use the built for you spotify playlists, they end up getting a lot of the same stuff they would go to on their own.

 

[robcac26]

Youtube and especially Spotify know EXACTLY what i like to listen to. Yet... they will still suggest what is currently most popular in that genre above a lesser known artist that I have actually followed, despite the fact that the artist I like just put out a new album.

And I agree that access to music is now easier than ever, however, it does still take effort by a listener to want to dig into something else. When they use the built for you spotify playlists, they end up getting a lot of the same stuff they would go to on their own.

I don't have Spotify so I can't really comment on that. As for YouTube, we seem to have differing experiences. Of course not everything it suggests for me is something I haven't heard before, but I definitely have found it useful in discovering lesser known music. Pandora is even better and more customizable. YouTube may initially suggest more popular bands within that genre, but if we are comparing it to however people discovered music pre-internet, it's way better in that it at least makes suggestions within the genre you're interested in whereas terrestrial radio for the most part only plays mainstream stuff and every listener gets the same playlist regardless of their tastes.

It does still take some effort to find fresh music, but it takes less effort and less money than ever before.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

They may be at the point where the Hall needs to be renamed the Pop Hall of Fame.

Isn't that pretty much like the unspoken reality? After all they don't have a separate HOF for every genre of music. Not as far as I know. Other than country.

 

[bac2therac]

Actually I think you are way off here. You seem to be implying that these algorithms direct you to music they want you to hear, when really it's based on what other content you have watched or listened to. That's the whole point of personalized targeted marketing, it's programmed to direct you to stuff you're more likely to be interested in. I've found some great bands I never would have heard of thanks to YouTube's programmed suggestions based on other videos I've watched.

It's actually much easier to seek out your own musical tastes and discover more music now than ever before because bands can put their music on their website for free, and anyone can access it without having to pay anything. Then you have customizable "radio" like Pandora that can lead you to discover new artists in a genre you like based on you giving the songs they play a thumbs up or thumbs down so that it tailors its playlists to your liking. You can follow your favorite record labels on social media and you will then see posts about bands on that label that you may not have heard of yet. I'm on a few music facebook groups where people often post new music of that genre to share with the rest of the group.

Before people found their music on the internet, you just had terrestrial radio, which plays the same rotation of about 50ish songs every day, and magazines and MTV telling you who you should listen to. How did you even discover anything that wasn't popular back then? Did you have to buy an entire album without having listened to it first, or borrow it from someone who did? I have a never-ending list of new albums to check out, and I don't know how this would have been possible 25 years ago without having to spend a lot of money.

You must be young

Mtv from 81-85 played everything. Those who were teens then know what i am talking

We were exposed to a huge variety of music. Music that was not played on the radio.

That still happened til the mid 90s when mtv changed into boy bands and Brittney and told you what to listen to with a narrow playlist.

 

[RU_DIO]

Nice to see Maiden and Rage Against the Machine on the ballot.

 

[Ronnie_B]

You must be young

Mtv from 81-85 played everything. Those who were teens then know what i am talking

We were exposed to a huge variety of music. Music that was not played on the radio.

That still happened til the mid 90s when mtv changed into boy bands and Brittney and told you what to listen to with a narrow playlist.

MTV not only played everything but it also changed music permanently, before MTV it was about the substance and some style, but once MTV came out substance took a backseat to style. Non-pretty faces and laidback artists like Christopher Cross were forgotten while crap like Culture Club were forefront.

 

[mdh2003]

You must be young

Mtv from 81-85 played everything. Those who were teens then know what i am talking

We were exposed to a huge variety of music. Music that was not played on the radio.

That still happened til the mid 90s when mtv changed into boy bands and Brittney and told you what to listen to with a narrow playlist.

I can confirm that I saw Run to the Hills more than once during that time. Of course, you had to watch 24/7, but, that’s what we did back then.

I vividly remember Judas Priest’s You Got Another Thing Coming was on pretty high rotation. Loved the guy’s head blowing up at the end. Guess he had it coming. Another ridiculously successful and influential band not in the HOF. Not sure they’ve even been nominated.

 

[mdh2003]

How did you even discover anything that wasn't popular back then? Did you have to buy an entire album without having listened to it first, or borrow it from someone who did?

Sometimes.

Two words: Mix Tape

Plus, you had to have a few cool friends. I remember swapping albums/cassettes and later CDs, and my friends and I would just say: track 2, 5, 6 - trust me.

 

[RUInsanity]

I don't have Spotify so I can't really comment on that. As for YouTube, we seem to have differing experiences. Of course not everything it suggests for me is something I haven't heard before, but I definitely have found it useful in discovering lesser known music. Pandora is even better and more customizable. YouTube may initially suggest more popular bands within that genre, but if we are comparing it to however people discovered music pre-internet, it's way better in that it at least makes suggestions within the genre you're interested in whereas terrestrial radio for the most part only plays mainstream stuff and every listener gets the same playlist regardless of their tastes.

It does still take some effort to find fresh music, but it takes less effort and less money than ever before.

I'm torn on this.

• On one hand Spotify/Youtube/Pandora etc have led me to some new music/artists I probably would never have found. Plus I've also been able to build a massive playlist on spotify to my previous/current bands & songs that I want to listen to.
• On the other hand I discovered different music growing up in the past directly from my family, friends, radio, bands, clubs etc. It's probably the reason that my tastes vary wildly. There is something to be said to having something passed to you from a completely different viewpoint rather than through an algorithm based on your personal tastes and/or what might be popular at the time.

 

[NickKnight 1]

looks like Benetar snubbed again

Should have been in a long time ago. IMHO

 

[bac2therac]

MTV not only played everything but it also changed music permanently, before MTV it was about the substance and some style, but once MTV came out substance took a backseat to style. Non-pretty faces and laidback artists like Christopher Cross were forgotten while crap like Culture Club were forefront.

I liked Culture Club, in fact I loved the whole new wave movement, how great was it that MTV broke a whole new wave of British bands and introduced a new style to the decaying album rock and lifeless soft rock from the 70s. Christopher Cross had his opportunity to make videos and that would be relegated to VH1 which played lighter songs.


It wasnt just popular artists like Duran Duran and Human League, we had lots of smaller obscure bands that got regular rotation. Those who were ahead of the curve like Bowie and Annie Lennox were masterful at creating personas that became synonymous with their videos. 70s artists like Kansas, America, Jefferson Starship did survive for a while making videos but it was clear that the climiate was ripe for something knew. That was just a great time period where everything could get played...and quite frankly I find the revisionist history about MTV and black artist so bogus today. It was a ROCK channel..it was also going to be music for rock fans...they didnt play country music, they didnt play AC so why would they play black music...and there were actually artists like The Specials, Joan Armatrading, Grace Jones and Shalamar that got airplay. Yes there was a resistance to Michael Jackson because that was seen as more pop. Remember MTV at THAT time was not mainstream...they were playing metal bands and new wave. Most of these songs were NOT on the radio and not considered top 40. Thats why I just laugh about the MTV was racist narrative that popped in the last couple of years. Ultimately MTV swung in such a direction that by the time they stopped playing videos, it was all rap and hip hop black artists and virtually no rock.

I will agree after new wave sort of died down, MTV went very pop and commercial for the rest of the 80s but for a brief period in the early 90s when grunge took over and it was remeniscient sp of the early 80s.

 

[bac2therac]

 

[RUevolution36]

I liked Culture Club, in fact I loved the whole new wave movement, how great was it that MTV broke a whole new wave of British bands and introduced a new style to the decaying album rock and lifeless soft rock from the 70s. Christopher Cross had his opportunity to make videos and that would be relegated to VH1 which played lighter songs.


It wasnt just popular artists like Duran Duran and Human League, we had lots of smaller obscure bands that got regular rotation. Those who were ahead of the curve like Bowie and Annie Lennox were masterful at creating personas that became synonymous with their videos. 70s artists like Kansas, America, Jefferson Starship did survive for a while making videos but it was clear that the climiate was ripe for something knew. That was just a great time period where everything could get played...and quite frankly I find the revisionist history about MTV and black artist so bogus today. It was a ROCK channel..it was also going to be music for rock fans...they didnt play country music, they didnt play AC so why would they play black music...and there were actually artists like The Specials, Joan Armatrading, Grace Jones and Shalamar that got airplay. Yes there was a resistance to Michael Jackson because that was seen as more pop. Remember MTV at THAT time was not mainstream...they were playing metal bands and new wave. Most of these songs were NOT on the radio and not considered top 40. Thats why I just laugh about the MTV was racist narrative that popped in the last couple of years. Ultimately MTV swung in such a direction that by the time they stopped playing videos, it was all rap and hip hop black artists and virtually no rock.

I will agree after new wave sort of died down, MTV went very pop and commercial for the rest of the 80s but for a brief period in the early 90s when grunge took over and it was remeniscient sp of the early 80s.

I would counter that and say that MTV was more interested in being counter culture than it was of being specifically rock. It came aboard as disco was dying...new wave, punk, hair metal was the predominant counter culture at the time. As hip hop started growing and becoming a stronger counter culture movement, MTV started Yo MTV Raps. Then came grunge. After that, they totally sold out.

Also... part of the reason that music is so monotonous now is because of the duopoly of Viacom and iHeartRadio. They own radio stations, they own music venues, they run festivals, they are strongly partnered with the major record companies. They will push a fad as far as it can possibly go with copycat artists until the market says "enough!". They all actively engage in creating the algorithms by having bots and fake accounts spamming YT, spotify, and Apple to push their spins up. More spins = more revenue and more eyeballs/ears.

 

[Kbee3]

I can listen to LL. I never saw Jay as talented at all. He just chants nonsense. He reminded me of what Keuth Richards said:

“Rap — so many words, so little said. What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there. All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another...I’m sick of “Mary Had a Little Lamb” with a heavy-handed drum machine going”

So true. Keith is the Man.
You really can't say it any better than that.
IMO rap began and ended with The Last Poets.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Before people found their music on the internet, you just had terrestrial radio, which plays the same rotation of about 50ish songs every day, and magazines and MTV telling you who you should listen to. How did you even discover anything that wasn't popular back then? Did you have to buy an entire album without having listened to it first, or borrow it from someone who did? I have a never-ending list of new albums to check out, and I don't know how this would have been possible 25 years ago without having to spend a lot of money.

As someone who started DJing during that time period, it was difficult to find music that wasn't already mainstream. Part of it was just trying to find mulitple sources of information such as off the beaten path radio stations, record store owners, dance clubs, word of mouth, etc. Back then there were a lot more independent radio stations, so they weren't beholden to their corporate masters as they are today. There were also services which would ship you songs they thought were going to become popular, but I found they weren't worth the cost. It sure wasn't affordable to buy albums to try to track stuff down: if they were releasing singles off of the album you'd pick up the initial 45 release to see whether you wanted to get the album. Of course, some times you'd get burned as that would turn out to be the only good song off of the album.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Sometimes.

Two words: Mix Tape

Ironic - 2-3 weeks ago I pulled out a case of tapes I had, and created playlists out of a bunch of the mix and party tapes I made in the 80's. Some of the music I didn't even have access to, as I either borrowed it from someone to make the tape, or I only have it on 45 with no digital version.

 

[RUevolution36]

I can listen to LL. I never saw Jay as talented at all. He just chants nonsense. He reminded me of what Keuth Richards said:

“Rap — so many words, so little said. What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there. All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another...I’m sick of “Mary Had a Little Lamb” with a heavy-handed drum machine going”

Jay isn't the most lyrically gifted... and he even admits to it. However, to say that he chants nonsense isn't accurate either. Maybe the Jay-z of the last 10-15 years, but not the Jay of the 90s and really 2k's. He's a simplistic lyricist, more about telling his stories and showing off his swagger... but his influence goes beyond just his music catalog.

"I jog in the graveyard
Spar in the same ring
That was housed by the building
Where Malcolm X was slain
I spring train in the winter
Round early December
Run suicide drills over and over
With the weight of the world on my shoulder
That's why they call me "Hova"
I'm far from being God
But I work goddamn hard
I wake up the birds so when the nerds asleep
I'm catching my second wind the second the first one end
I am "focused man"
And I'm not afraid of death
And I'm going all out
I circle the vultures in a van and
I run the block (run)
Pull up in a drop (pull up)
Push up on my money (push up)
I'm in great shape dunny
I keep jacks jumping thirty six sets
Like a personal trainer I teach coke to stretch
I pump in Roc sweats
All white trainers
The ghetto's Billy Blanks"

 

[BigLou]

Amazed Turner and King aren't in already.

Both are in - Tina as part of the Ike and Tina group and King as a songwriter. Both now being considered as solo performers and in my opinion, both should be in.

 

[MadRU]

Both are in - Tina as part of the Ike and Tina group and King as a songwriter. Both now being considered as solo performers and in my opinion, both should be in.

Agree ^^^

 

[BigLou]

Here are my thoughts. Based on the understanding that the HOF stopped being about Rock years ago. Mostly they need to sell tickets for the ceremony to stay afloat:

• Mary J. Blige - She is great but is she R & R?
• Kate Bush - pass for now
• Devo - not worthy
• Foo Fighters - In on 1st try
• The Go-Go’s - Sentimental choice, I'd say yes
• Iron Maiden - Not a metal fan. I probably would not vote for them but don't have a problem if metal fans think they are worthy
• Jay-Z -- Probably gets in but not on first try
• Chaka Khan - eh, not sure resume is enough
• Carole King - Worthy
• Fela Kuti - not sure who this is
• LL Cool J - more of an actor these days but I would vote yes
• New York Dolls - Interesting - was not a huge fan of the Dolls but loved David Johannson's solo stuff. Influential for sure so maybe that's enough of a push
• Rage Against the Machine - Worthy
• Todd Rundgren - another interesting choice. Not really a fan, he had a bunch of hits. A bit off center , I probably would not vote for him.
• Tina Turner - Worthy
• Dionne Warwick - another sentimental favorite. Not R & R but a solid popular music choice. I'd vote yes based on her being from the area.

 

[bac2therac]

Fela Kuti has no business being in THIS hall of fame. Its not a globalist one but alas it may be moving from Cleveland to Wuhan

 

[MADHAT1]

Fela Kuti has no business being in THIS hall of fame. Its not a globalist one but alas it may be moving from Cleveland to Wuhan

What's Wuhan have to do with it ????????????
He's from Nigeria and started what's called Afro-beat so Fela Kuti might be considered a trend setter in the Music profession.
But that shouldn't be enough for a place in Cleveland, maybe a HOF in Lagos would be a more fitting spot for him.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland,Ohio in the good old USA should welcome and induct performers from all over the world, if they meet the criteria that makes them stand out from most other musicians that are considered part of Rock & Roll music.

 

[RUevolution36]

Fela Kuti has no business being in THIS hall of fame. Its not a globalist one but alas it may be moving from Cleveland to Wuhan

I didn't realize that music has borders...

 

[bac2therac]

What's Wuhan have to do with it ????????????
He's from Nigeria and started what's called Afro-beat so Fela Kuti might be considered a trend setter in the Music profession.
But that shouldn't be enough for a place in Cleveland, maybe a HOF in Lagos would be a more fitting spot for him.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland,Ohio in the good old USA should welcome and induct performers from all over the world, if they meet the criteria that makes them stand out from most other musicians that are considered part of Rock & Roll music.

is it the international hall of fame of music? Look I am okay with playing a little loose with genres and allowing artists like Michael jackson, Madonna and even Run DMC but there is a line. And no you dont have to be from America as there are many British bands but you have to have some modicum of success in the United States. I wont deny talent and influence here but better suited in another hall of fame when you have a very crowded list.

 

[bac2therac]

Why is Dolly Parton not in the Rock and Roll of Fame

Why is Cher not in it?

Why is Kenny Rogers not in it?

how about Loretta Lynn, Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson,

 

[robcac26]

I'm torn on this.

• On one hand Spotify/Youtube/Pandora etc have led me to some new music/artists I probably would never have found. Plus I've also been able to build a massive playlist on spotify to my previous/current bands & songs that I want to listen to.
• On the other hand I discovered different music growing up in the past directly from my family, friends, radio, bands, clubs etc. It's probably the reason that my tastes vary wildly. There is something to be said to having something passed to you from a completely different viewpoint rather than through an algorithm based on your personal tastes and/or what might be popular at the time.

Yeah but discovering new music via word of mouth like you mentioned in your second point hasn't gone away. All of that still exists.

So true. Keith is the Man.
You really can't say it any better than that.
IMO rap began and ended with The Last Poets.

To be fair, you can make a similar dismissal about a number of rock bands. I mean look at how basic AC/DC's songwriting is for example.

 

[robcac26]

is it the international hall of fame of music? Look I am okay with playing a little loose with genres and allowing artists like Michael jackson, Madonna and even Run DMC but there is a line. And no you dont have to be from America as there are many British bands but you have to have some modicum of success in the United States. I wont deny talent and influence here but better suited in another hall of fame when you have a very crowded list.

It's not the "International Hall of Fame of Music," nor is it the "American Rock and Roll Hall of Fame," it's simply "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" so why does success specifically in the US have to be a factor? If anything, the argument against inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would be that an artist isn't "rock and roll," not that they didn't have enough success in the United States.

 

[MADHAT1]

is it the international hall of fame of music? Look I am okay with playing a little loose with genres and allowing artists like Michael jackson, Madonna and even Run DMC but there is a line. And no you dont have to be from America as there are many British bands but you have to have some modicum of success in the United States. I wont deny talent and influence here but better suited in another hall of fame when you have a very crowded list.

So you're saying it should be more like a American Rock & Roll HOF and success in the USA ( not anywhere else) should be part of the criteria for membership)
I can see where you're coming from and think you made a good point.
Performers can be from any country, but must be successful in the United States to be considered for membership..

 

[bac2therac]

well I am waiting for Yanni or Enya's invite or Kylie Minogue as well

I think Kate Bush should be in because she is one of the most innovated female artists in history and she influenced a ton of female artists BUT ultimately her lack of success and popularity here in the USA is a factor in keeping her out...I would say the same for PJ Harvey, These artists certainly have a solid following here but not engrained in the culture and I think that should be a prerequisite., I think Annie Lennox is a no brainer for the Hall of Fame.

I get why influencers get invited but this one seems a bit obscure.

But I do have an issue with just picking popular stuff too. With the addition of groups like Journey and Def Leppard, I think we are starting to water things down by just picking popular artists. Thats why I scratch my head at Jay Z, not only is he not in the genre but its almost based solely on popularity. A guy like LL did it before him when hip hop and rap was not mainstream. He was the first solo artist to break into the pop world in a climate where rock centered artists were still dominating the landscape.

I think electronic music is woefully underrepresented. I like Depeche Mode got in. We need New Order and Kraftwerk next