OT: UNC Scandal Update. . . 6th Level I Infraction Added?

[RUinPinehurst]

For those interested in the ongoing saga of the UNC scandal, as you may recall, in August of last year UNC "self-reported" a few additional violations to the NCAA (minor affairs involving WBB and Soccer), just two days or so before UNC's official response to the NCAA's original Notice of Allegations was due. This "move" effectively reset the timeline for UNC's response, and bought UNC time which allowed the Men's BB team to make its expected run toward the ACC and then the National Championship. The NCAA, you see, was forced to rework its NOA, and then present UNC with an Amended Notice of Allegations (ANOA).

Almost worked. But the NCAA apparently did not appreciate being played, and effectively turned the table on UNC. This week the NCAA has apparently released its ANOA to UNC, adding a SIXTH Level One infraction: Academic Fraud. UNC is astonished, as a result, and is smarting.

As you may recall, UNC issued a response to their accreditation agency (SACS) following the NCAA's original NOA to UNC. In its response to SACS, UNC admitted to instances of Academic Fraud dating back to 1989, involving student-athletes in the Men's BB program under Dean Smith; 22 of the first 25 students participating in these well-documented "irregular" classes were Smith's players.

In any case, the original NOA identified 1993 as the beginning of UNC's cheating scandal, a date taken from the school's Wainstein Report, following the former FBI Special Agent's investigation into UNC's situation. In it's newly Amended NOA, the NCAA synced the start of the cheating to correspond with the SACS admission of 1989. And it adds "Academic Fraud" as the new Level One infraction, so say "sources."

This update it based solely on info from a few individuals who have in the past proven to be accurate, with connectivity to "inside" info. UNC thought they had both influence and "friends" in Indianapolis. Apparently, they had neither.

A heavily redacted ANOA is expected to be released by UNC, soon.

 

[RUonBrain]

Thanks for the update

Hoping against hope UNC gets slammed

If not, the whole system is a fraud and the NCAA infractions committee shoud cease and desist

 

[RUich]

As a very jaded fan, my only hope is that I am just wrong and the NCAA will finally grow some balls and hit this school with something close to a death penalty.
UNC became a virtual clone to those diploma mills online all in the name of sports.

 

[redlight123]

Where does holier than thou attitude come from in NJ. Why the constant stories on others errors. Some act like it is news. The system is what it is. Play it or be a loser.

 

[Captain Hogleg]

Where does holier than thou attitude come from in NJ. Why the constant stories on others errors. Some act like it is news. The system is what it is. Play it or be a loser.

Wrong. You don't reward cheating. Particularly to this degree. Many schools do try to abide by the rules. Rutgers being one of them. Screw UNC - they deserve a severe punishment for abusing the system.

 

[RUSK97]

It's no longer acceptable for the NCAA to slap NC A&T; they might hit UNC Charlotte now too.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

Where does holier than thou attitude come from in NJ. Why the constant stories on others errors. Some act like it is news. The system is what it is. Play it or be a loser.

Yeah, sport. I'm a NC resident. "RUinPinehurst" as in Pinehurst, North Carolina. All RU fans and alumni are not based in NJ. Further, this episode impacts every university, and UNC's cheating and how they have handled things are a slight against us all, particularly school's that compete against and lose to cheats. Furthermore, UNC recruits NJ's finest athletes... still.

 

[Abro1975]

UNC was successful in delaying things long enough for their BB team to make another final 4 appearance and get to the title game.

 

[wheezer]

Where does holier than thou attitude come from in NJ. Why the constant stories on others errors. Some act like it is news. The system is what it is. Play it or be a loser.

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they system does not allow for fraud when it comes to grades....sorry dude

 

[Captain Hogleg]

Yeah, sport. I'm a NC resident. "RUinPinehurst" as in Pinehurst, North Carolina. All RU fans and alumni are not based in NJ. Further, this episode impacts every university, and UNC's cheating and how they have handled things are a slight against us all, particularly school's that compete against and lose to cheats. Furthermore, UNC recruits NJ's finest athletes... still.

Spot on. Keep the updates coming. Interesting to read what you are hearing locally.

 

[redlight123]

No matter what you report or where you live matters much pinecone. The cheats will live on and. NJ kids will still go to school there.

 

[Captain Hogleg]

No matter what you report or where you live matters much pinecone. The cheats will live on and. NJ kids will still go to school there.

Doesn't mean you accept it. Punish them severely and look for the next school to go after. Eventually schools will get the message. Why be an enabler?

 

[redlight123]

So the RU fanbase is now policing arm of the NCAA. They have themselves to worry about.

 

[Dpgru]

Allegation after allegation but never any sanctions. I hope I am wrong, very wrong, but I will believe that the sanctions will be serious when I see it. Somehow I still believe the sanctions will either be moderate or they will be strong but then after a year they will be softened as they did with PSU.

 

[Captain Hogleg]

So the RU fanbase is now policing arm of the NCAA. They have themselves to worry about.

No one said RU should be the policing arm. We are merely discussing the situation. Agree that RU should maintain their own house, but most of us want blatant cheaters punished by the NCAA. You don't give in to the offender. It's like saying gangs are going to exist anyway so don't bother arresting anyone

 

[Abro1975]

So the RU fanbase is now policing arm of the NCAA. They have themselves to worry about.

You haven't seen anything, lol :
23 page thread on the NC St site;

http://www.scout.com/college/north-...andal-thread-siatgr-edition-anoa-back-to-1989

 

[Plum Street]

I want to win at all costs and wouldn't mind Rutgers doing this if it meant rose bowls and final fours . But when you get caught cheating there will be consequences . That's how it is and will be . Hoping UNC gets smacked hard

 

[j10oreo]

I want to win at all costs and wouldn't mind Rutgers doing this if it meant rose bowls and final fours . But when you get caught cheating there will be consequences . That's how it is and will be . Hoping UNC gets smacked hard

Your comment leads me to believe you have already forgotten what happened when Fudd tried to win at all cost.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

So the RU fanbase is now policing arm of the NCAA. They have themselves to worry about.

You protest too much. UNC connectivity?

 

[Plum Street]

Your comment leads me to believe you have already forgotten what happened when Fudd tried to win at all cost.

He was called flood the dud for a reason . The guy couldn't even get a player's grade changed! And to top it off flood did this for barnwell ! Flood's a moron.

 

[suggakane]

No matter what you report or where you live matters much pinecone. The cheats will live on and. NJ kids will still go to school there.

you need to find a bus ...and get under it...

 

[motorb54]

You protest too much. UNC connectivity?

More likely a Penn State troll.
You know, the fans who think a little pedophilia is OK as long as the football team wins.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

You haven't seen anything, lol :
23 page thread on the NC St site;

http://www.scout.com/college/north-...andal-thread-siatgr-edition-anoa-back-to-1989

Wolfies and Dookies are savoring every "development," anxiously awaiting hammertime. Check out the free forum (Hoops) on the Devil's Den, too.

 

[Ridge 22]

God I hope the NCAA takes them down. Don't have a lot of confidence in that happening though.

 

[tico brown]

So the RU fanbase is now policing arm of the NCAA. They have themselves to worry about.

Cant win without cheating. Thanks for playing.

 

[koleszar]

I've said it before the NCAA does not like to be lied to. UNC has tried to cover up and delay the proceedings, they're going to get hammered. If you self report they'll go light, if not they drop the hammer. UNC chose the former thinking they were above the NCAA, they can't go back now and soon will regret that decision.

 

[JoeRU0304]

So the RU fanbase is now policing arm of the NCAA. They have themselves to worry about.

...so by your logic if someone witnesses a robbery they shouldn't call the police or hope for justice because they're not the police?


Joe P.

 

[REDRICH65]

It's part of the don't snitch cultural You know, the one the players come from.

 

[RU848789]

I want to win at all costs and wouldn't mind Rutgers doing this if it meant rose bowls and final fours . But when you get caught cheating there will be consequences . That's how it is and will be . Hoping UNC gets smacked hard

He was called flood the dud for a reason . The guy couldn't even get a player's grade changed! And to top it off flood did this for barnwell ! Flood's a moron.

I think you may end up giving Mr. TV a run for his money as the poster "most likely to embarrass Rutgers."

 

[kjb32812]

The NCAA loves UNC basketball. They can give them continual reprieves, allow them to make the NCAA big money and then not have to worry about vacating national titles because Roy Boy is their coach.

 

[Debtbubble]

The hypocrisy of the whole "Carolina way" thing adds another layer to it. This has been going on since Dean Smith was coach.

 

[RUkrazy89]

This UNC academic scandal is absolutely fascinating stuff, The NC State board is planning parties for if/when they take down the banners. As much as I would love to see NCAA absolutely hammer UNC with sanctions... I just don't have any faith they will do so.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

This morning UNC officially acknowledged receipt of the newly Amended Notice of Allegations from the NCAA.

 

[Manhattan]

What is amazing is that UNC football (as well as hoops, which always does) has had banner recruiting classes AFTER the threat of sanctions arose. I guess the coaches and recruits know what we know - they will be coming down hard on Guilford any time now

 

[RUinPinehurst]

What is amazing is that UNC football (as well as hoops, which always does) has had banner recruiting classes AFETR the threat of sanctions arose. I guess the coaches and recruits know what we know - they will be coming down hard on Guilford any time now

Roy and Larry insist that MBB and FB are not named in the original NOA, despite the fact that they both are. No member of the press called them out on this.

From the original NOA:

5. [NCAA Division I Manual Constitution 2.1.1, 2.8.1 and 6.01.1 (2002-03 through 2010-11)]

It is alleged that the scope and nature of the violations set forth in Allegation Nos. 1 and 2 demonstrate that the institution violated the NCAA principles of institutional control and rules compliance when it failed to monitor the activities of Jan Boxill (Boxill), then philosophy instructor, director of the Parr Center for
Ethics, women's basketball athletics acad emic counselor in the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes (ASPSA) and chair of the faculty. Further, the institution exhibited a lack of institutional control in regard to the special arrangements constituting impermissible benefits athletics academic counselors
and staff within African and Afro-American Studies (AFRI/AFAM) department provided to student-athletes.

Specifically, individuals in the academic administration on campus, particularly in the college of arts and sciences, did not sufficiently monitor the AFRI/AFAM and ASPSA departments or provide appropriate supervision for these academic units and their staffs. The AFRI/AFAM department created anomalous courses that


NOTICE OF ALLEGATIONS
Case No. 00231
May 20, 2015
Page No. 49
__________
went unchecked for 18 years. This allowed individuals within ASPSA to use these courses through special arrangements to maintain the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football, men's basketball and women's basketball. Although the general student body also had access to the anomalous AFRI/AFAM courses, student-athletes received preferential access to these anomalous courses, enrolled in these anomalous courses at a disproportionate rate to that of the general student body and received other impermissible benefits not available to the general student body in connection with these courses.

 

[Abro1975]

If UNC semi annually or annually announces they are self investigating minor infractions, can they put off sanctions or penalties in perpetuity? Seems like a strategy.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

If UNC semi annually or annually announces they are self investigating minor infractions, can they put off sanctions or penalties in perpetuity? Seems like a strategy.

Yes, it is a strategy, and an effective one at that. But could UNC continue to repeat the same strategy, again and again?

UNC threw the WBB and Men's Soccer programs "under the bus" by self-reporting a few new violations in August (involving academic and recruiting improprieties), which effectively gave their beloved and storied MBB program an opportunity to make a championship run.

At some level, if UNC tried this strategy again, though, you'd have to think the NCAA would say, "Yeah, thanks for being so forthcoming and diligent. But we'll move forward with the ANOA 'as is' for now and will address any new violations in a new and separate NOA, as is appropriate."

Remember the original NOA dealt primarily if not exclusively with AFAM-related academic fraud that benefited student-athletes and their eligibility, and that NOA categorized the related violations/infractions as "Impermissible Benefits."

The new admissions by UNC may have opened up a fresh and expanded investigation, allowing the NCAA to reach back a few years further to 1989 as well as reach into many other academic departments where that additional cheating was well documented via the SACS report and by all those supplemental emails exchange between faculty, staff, etc. which were part of the Wainstein Report and which were released by UNC as part of a public records request and subsequent data dump.

'Tis a mess for sure. An intriguing mess.

 

[miketd1]

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Yeah, sport. I'm a NC resident. "RUinPinehurst" as in Pinehurst, North Carolina. All RU fans and alumni are not based in NJ. Further, this episode impacts every university, and UNC's cheating and how they have handled things are a slight against us all, particularly school's that compete against and lose to cheats. Furthermore, UNC recruits NJ's finest athletes... still.

I would further add that this is not the case of a USF or Memphis of some relative no-name trying to cut corners in order to compete at a higher level. UNC had every conceivable advantage and then cheated on top of that... one would assume, to better compete for national championships. And that, of course, made it even harder for those who don't cheat and don't have those other advantages.

 

[RU848789]

Yeah, sport. I'm a NC resident. "RUinPinehurst" as in Pinehurst, North Carolina. All RU fans and alumni are not based in NJ. Further, this episode impacts every university, and UNC's cheating and how they have handled things are a slight against us all, particularly school's that compete against and lose to cheats. Furthermore, UNC recruits NJ's finest athletes... still.

Ignore the complainers. You clearly label your posts, so disinterested parties can easily ignore them, and the rest of us, who find this to be a compelling story can read your posts and the excellent links you provide to the complete story. UNC should be praying for only athletic sanctions. They're seriously in danger of losing critical academic accreditations.

From a purely academic perspective, this is far worse than what PSU did (which was the most heinous abuse of athletic power ever witnessed, but really wasn't about academics, per se) and I think even worse than what SMU did back in the 80s and they got the death penalty. Rest assured, if RU ever did something like this, I'd be right out in front with my pitchfork, calling for programs to be shut down.