Poor NIL is the biggest reason for our disappointing season

[The RUT]

$20 Million? Outside this one time Act of God, I don’t even think we have $1 Million, let alone the needed $2 million for BB. Our NIL situation is not fine, which is why football and bb have to shop in the bargain bin, unable to land even 1 quality P5 starter, outside our two draft picks. UConn, two years ago, stole arguably our best player for a pitance, and won a National Championship with him.

Hurley wouldn’t touch this job with a 100 foot pole. Urban Meyer wouldn’t touch the football job with a 100 foot pole. Guess what? That is a big problem.

NIL is a big way the game is played these days. Freakin UConn has adequate NIL support. We don’t.

So people are either going to support, or make excuses.

You're trying to make a national championship level NIL argument for a team that isn't even sniffing the dance.

You don't need a massive NIL budget to be an average B1G team. You might need a massive NIL budget to win the NCAA Tournament, but literally no one on this forum cares about a national championship right now, we just want to freaking dance on a semi-consistent basis.

No one needs Hurley or Urban Meyer coaching Rutgers. Couldn't care less about being at that level. I'm asking for respectability and having a respected athletic department.

You're advocating throwing money at a problem that's very clearly not going to be solved by money.

 

[IL Lusciato]

$30 parking, raised ticket prices after a dismal year, now another dismal year.

Paying for 3 or 4 different streaming services to try to catch a game.

A degrading product with too many commercials and less school pride

Donating to collectives to pay kids who leave, don't care about the university, and make no impact on the court, who have more money to be terrible than many normal folks earn working real jobs, a coach making multi-millions, an AD who embarasses us and doesn't pursue NIL himself, and the best recruits in close to 50 years who cant stay on the court, are inconsistent, and wont wait more than a year to actually get up to speed due to circumstance...

Yeah, it's the fans' fault.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

we were also told that the money was there for malique ewin and pike wouldn’t do it out of principle.

My guess is Pike saw him box out a few times and immediately decided he didn't want him.

 

[walshtrips]

After every loss it’s the same BS. Pike this, Pike that, when accountability needs to start by looking in the mirror. We are the biggest reason Pikes roster is inadequate because we haven’t done enough to support a Championship Caliber program.

Poor NIL is the 800 lb gorilla that no one wants to acknowledge, because then we would need to take accountability. We’re either ponying up or not ponying up. By looking at our roster, we can reasonably conclude that not enough was done.

Should RU miss the NCAA tourney, money will be much harder to raise.

 

[rutgersal]

Should RU miss the NCAA tourney, money will be much harder to raise.

Sadly, you’re probably right, but we still have to give it the ol college try.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

3.5mm households in NJ. ADD a RU NIL tax of $20 per household. $7mm, problem solved.

Regardless of the faulty math, I would love to see the look on PSU and UM residents’ faces when they got the bill.

 

[soundcrib]

Transparency is key.

If the fan base was asked to donate towards NIL specifically for a big man, we would have raised the money for it.

This NIL operating in the shadows nonsense is horrible.

Nah, a large majority would’ve complained about it including some folks that liked this post.

I wish Rubin had some pocket change in the budget to throw it Cliff’s way last offseason.

 

[soundcrib]

lack of NIL is a convenient excuse. mods have told us we’re lower-middle of the pack for power conferences from an NIL perspective. we were also told that the money was there for malique ewin and pike wouldn’t do it out of principle. having less to spend is not as big of an issue as how we’ve spent what we do have

Curious, principle of what? The state of college athletics? Is he a board poster?

 

[snowboarder]

This is a failure of epic proportions on the part of Pike and his staff and its not an NIL thing. I was told by a guy leading our fundraising efforts about the Cliff situation. Cliff wanted a mil and Pike told him he could get three good players for a mil. This was a generational opportunity with Ace and Dylan and a good coach would have recognized that. Schiano has no problem keeping his players and one publication had us currently ranked in the top 10 in the transfer portal. I don't have anymore confidence in Pikes evaluation skills or his ability to develop players. We had no proven experience or production returning at the 4&5 positions and he brought in 3 mid-major wing/guards and an undersized 4 that average 3.3 rebounds a game in the Ivy League.
Pike is definitely one of the best defensive coaches in the country, he has managed to keep RU under 70 pts a game for his entire tenure at Rutgers.
BTW This comes from a guy that loves him personally.

 

[Knight Shift]

Obviously he hasn't done a good enough job convincing them to donate the big bucks he really needed this year. Or expanded his network, as Greg did. Otherwise we wouldn't be in this CF.

You are insufferable.

 

[Knight Shift]

The NIL race isnt being won or lost by how much your fan collective raises but rather how many whales you can get committed to your program to stroke 7-figure checks

Aren't you some sort of big shot? How much do you give? Probably nowhere near the amount of criticism you give here.

 

[Knight Shift]

Lou and Kyk in agreement. Lol. Two grating minds.

FIFY

 

[Knight Shift]

Transparency is key.

If the fan base was asked to donate towards NIL specifically for a big man, we would have raised the money for it.

This NIL operating in the shadows nonsense is horrible.

Same way football operates, and as far as we know, same way other schools operate. But the two loudmouths will blame Pikiell for this too.

 

[ru66]

No legitimate shot blocker in the low post. That's our biggest problem

I think an unhealthy Harper had an awfully lot to do with 4 or 5 of our losses.

 

[Knight Shift]

are you trying to troll

ru got a gift of 2 superstars worth close to 4 million that they didnt even have to pay...to not be able to come up with a supporting cast and find money for it is malfeasance by the AD and the coaching staff

Why bring up the AD? We don't have one, but you just want to whine. The AD we had was busy raising the bar in gymnastics and going to yoga classes. Flexibility is important.

 

[fatsam98]

Look it's obviously a factor.

I'd be willing to bet our NIL is a tad bit better than Kennesaw State's though. It's certainly better than Seton Hall's and the rest of the scrubs that we struggled to put away in November.

Pike needs to really rethink how he operates. His talent evaluation has generally been dreadful.

 

[Knight Shift]

RU hoops also was getting 1 million to disperse to players from vegas with the potential to earn more...did pike sell that or not..apparently not

You don't know shit. Here's a proposal --every time you, KYK and Lou post on this board with a complaint, you donate $100 to NIL. That should raise nearly $1mil at the rate you three complain.

 

[zappaa]

You don't know shit. Here's a proposal --every time you, KYK and Lou post on this board with a complaint, you donate $100 to NIL. That should raise nearly $1mil at the rate you three complain.

Shifty-
There’s no reason to vent at posters for voicing there opinions.
One guy camped out at the Presidents office in an effort to bring back GS.
The other has been a season ticket holding RU fanatic for 40 years.
So you disagree, sports is about arguing and disagreeing

 

[rpiseman]

We have to deal with the way things are, not the way we want them to be. The financials are not transparent, so we either give the coach the resources to succeed, or we live with what could have been. UConn provides the support their coach needs. We need to as well.

Firstly, Hobbs should’ve been hitting every alumni with big and small wallets to fund NIL for this team. That was his job as AD and getting funding for this team was likely the most important task of his tenure.

Given how this season has gone and the fact that many of the transfers Pike handpicked wouldn’t be the best players at the Piscataway 24 hr Fitness, I don’t think anyone is giving him money to go out and build a roster. Pike has proven to be an extremely poor evaluator of talent.

 

[KK1827]

Aren't you some sort of big shot? How much do you give? Probably nowhere near the amount of criticism you give here.

I’m not and I give $0.

 

[seansherm]

When does it become the schools fault and not the fans fault? 50 years of shitty performing sports is why the head coaching jobs aren't all that desirable. 50 years of shitty performing sports are why there aren't more large contributing fans. 50 years of shitty performing sports combined with poor relationship building is why the school doesn't generate alum who want to give back and be involved. Was the world just supposed to shift since the school has finally decided to put some effort ($) in? It will take a generation of changes.

 

[KK1827]

When does it become the schools fault and not the fans fault? 50 years of shitty performing sports is why the head coaching jobs aren't all that desirable. 50 years of shitty performing sports are why there aren't more large contributing fans. 50 years of shitty performing sports combined with poor relationship building is why the school doesn't generate alum who want to give back and be involved. Was the world just supposed to shift since the school has finally decided to put some effort ($) in? It will take a generation of changes.

Oh, the RU bball job is a very coveted job if it were to open.

- top 20 pay
- big ten rev share
- top 10 facility in america
- top 10 home court in america
- fertile recruiting grounds

This aint your fathers rutgers

 

[NickRU714]

we dont...but our peers are not getting 4 million dollar players dropped into their lap for free

pretty sad to use the no nil funds at RU argument when someone paid 4 million for 2 kids to come here...if only other schools had that

I’ll try and reword your point.

Our top 2 players cost nearly $0(?) of Rutgers specific NIL.
Look at most other teams, I’m sure their school specific NIL had to contribute a sizable % to their top players.

Rutgers didn’t have to do that.
Nearly all Rutgers specific NIL went to players #3 and lower.

That is the immense benefit we received.

Imagine Mahomes didn’t count against the KC salary cap.
And they got all that money to direct towards improving other positions.

 

[NickRU714]

To put it in budget terms:
Team X - $3m
Team Y - $1m

Team X has to spend $2m for their top 2 players
Team Y has to spend near $0 for their top 2 players.

Both teams have the same $1m to fill out the roster.

We are Team Y this year.
Getting $2m of players for nearly nothing(?)

So even if we a have a smaller overall budget than peers, our effective budget is equal (or even higher?) because we already got our top 2 players.

 

[King of S]

I think an unhealthy Harper had an awfully lot to do with 4 or 5 of our losses.

But he was healthy enough to go out every night during the flu?

 

[Knight Shift]

Shifty-
There’s no reason to vent at posters for voicing there opinions.
One guy camped out at the Presidents office in an effort to bring back GS.
The other has been a season ticket holding RU fanatic for 40 years.
So you disagree, sports is about arguing and disagreeing

Agree totally about disagreeing and arguing. My point is maybe some of the complainers should put up something more other than constant criticism and complaints. Yes, that's a part of sports, but this thread is also about NIL, and look at the guy below. If NIL is the problem, how do we fix the problem if people do not give? The guy below seems to think that is the job of "whales." Every bit helps.

Also, as to the poster who camped out at the President's office. He is awfully quiet after a very disappointing football season, isn't he? Football seems to get whatever it wants in resources to pay (sometimes overpay) for coaches and coordinators and seems to do OK with NIL. Why does he give GS a pass? Oh, is it the injuries, or something else?
I

I’m not and I give $0.

 

[RUChoppin]

Agree totally about disagreeing and arguing. My point is maybe some of the complainers should put up something more other than constant criticism and complaints. Yes, that's a part of sports, but this thread is also about NIL, and look at the guy below. If NIL is the problem, how do we fix the problem if people do not give? The guy below seems to think that is the job of "whales." Every bit helps.

Giving $50-100 to the Rutgers NIL collective may make people feel good, but it's not actually doing much of anything.

Landing a single big donation is more valuable than thousands of small fan contributions. The school/collective should spend minimal time soliciting small donations, and focus entirely on large donations.

NIL s about sponsorship, not crowdfunding.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

To put it in budget terms:
Team X - $3m
Team Y - $1m

Team X has to spend $2m for their top 2 players
Team Y has to spend near $0 for their top 2 players.

Both teams have the same $1m to fill out the roster.

We are Team Y this year.
Getting $2m of players for nearly nothing(?)

So even if we a have a smaller overall budget than peers, our effective budget is equal (or even higher?) because we already got our top 2 players.

What if the 2 players hurt the ability to get other players? What if those 2 players were brought in to be the best players and weren't really players that were great winning college basketball games.

 

[NickRU714]

What if the 2 players hurt the ability to get other players? What if those 2 players were brought in to be the best players and weren't really players that were great winning college basketball games.

If the premise is “getting talented players hurts the ability to win” then there is nothing further to discuss.

Ace and Dylan didn’t cause the famed defender Jamichael “The Glove” Davis to run around in circles and give up an open 3.
If Gavin had that play last year you would have said he needs to be cut immediately and never set foot on the floor ever again.

 

[RUJMM78]

Keep asking the same group of fans to increase donations isn't the answer.The problem is a very small percentage of alumni support Rutgers University for academics or athletics.Getting anything done like financing facilities requires decades to happen and when it does happen, the cost is far higher.College athletics in the NJ/NYC Metropolitan area doesn't get the attention found in other parts of the USA.Professional sports dominate media attention and public attendance at athletic events.In the present circumstances the only way to achieve athletic success is to hire head coaches that consistently attract players that can excel against power conference competition.Stringer did that for a short time at Rutgers, Pitino is doing a terrific job at St.Johns and Hurley at UConn has won national championships.

 

[RUskoolie]

The rac is not even a top 50 home court basketball facility. It’s a dump. Is it a home court advantage. Sure because it’s a dump. Is it a place where someone comes in and says wow this place is nice I want to play here. Lolololol.

Lets knock it down and build a cavernous arena like Seton Hall has so we can tarp the top rafters and it will be like any other gym in America.

Yeah that's what I want. Screw having one of the hardest gyms to plan at in all of America.

 

[ancienthooper]

Shifty-
There’s no reason to vent at posters for voicing there opinions.
One guy camped out at the Presidents office in an effort to bring back GS.
The other has been a season ticket holding RU fanatic for 40 years.
So you disagree, sports is about arguing and disagreeing

The guys who constantly spew shyte really get their panties in a bunch when some shrapnel heads back their way.

The one guy camped out at the President’s office and that’s a good thing? I’d call it disturbing.

The fanatic wants everyone to be as infatuated with his words as he is himself.

The other guy is as insufferable and dense as it gets.

Listen, if they (and several others), made their point once, twice, three times…fine. After all, it is a message board. But it’s the constant, incessant bashing in one thread after another that’s impossible to swallow.

I think the vast majority of Pikiell supporters have acknowledged that the roster construction has been a fail. Is it due to talent evaluation or lack of NIL? I don’t know, but my guess is a combination of both. But to REPEATEDLY refer to this team, or coach, as a “national embarrassment” and “disgrace” and other niceties is just way over the top.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If the premise is “getting talented players hurts the ability to win” then there is nothing further to discuss.

Ace and Dylan didn’t cause the famed defender Jamichael “The Glove” Davis to run around in circles and give up an open 3.
If Gavin had that play last year you would have said he needs to be cut immediately and never set foot on the floor ever again.

Will not argue your last point. 😀

We would be a much better basketball team right now if we never got Ace Bailey. I am very confident with that.

Actually it might have been Ace's fault Glove ran around circles and gave up the open 3

 

[rpiseman]

Lets knock it down and build a cavernous arena like Seton Hall has so we can tarp the top rafters and it will be like any other gym in America.

Yeah that's what I want. Screw having one of the hardest gyms to plan at in all of America.

I love the RAC and hope it’s there for 50 more years.

With that said, it’s really not hard for our opponents to play there. Teams have been beating us there pretty easily the last few years.

 

[RUskoolie]

FWIW...its both guys.

The coaching has not been good here and NIL could be better but honestly, hoops is running out of excuses.

We pay top 25 in the country level money
We have a top 10 home court advantage
We have a beautiful new practice facility
NIL might be average but you have a lot of tailwind to carry you here.

 

[rpiseman]

The guys who constantly spew shyte really get their panties in a bunch when some shrapnel heads back their way.

The one guy camped out at the President’s office and that’s a good thing? I’d call it disturbing.

The fanatic wants everyone to be as infatuated with his words as he is himself.

The other guy is as insufferable and dense as it gets.

Listen, if they (and several others), made their point once, twice, three times…fine. After all, it is a message board. But it’s the constant, incessant bashing in one thread after another that’s impossible to swallow.

I think the vast majority of Pikiell supporters have acknowledged that the roster construction has been a fail. Is it due to talent evaluation or lack of NIL? I don’t know, but my guess is a combination of both. But to REPEATEDLY refer to this team, or coach, as a “national embarrassment” and “disgrace” and other niceties is just way over the top.

The team right now is trending towards a national embarrassment, I don’t think we make the Big Ten tournament much less the NCAA. If you pause for a second and think about your personal expectations for the season, not making the conference tournament was likely an unfathomable outcome.

Pike is a nice guy, means well, but his efforts to build this roster and construct a functional competitive team have been a disgrace. Whether he wanted it or not, he was handed a once in a lifetime opportunity in having two lottery picks, and did about as bad a job as a coach could do.

There won’t be repercussions for him because he is owed $3.5 million a year till 2030. In March of this year he will be the new CViv holding Rutgers hostage to pay him as he destroys the program.

Pike is a nice guy, well meaning, but he has irreparably damaged the basketball program with how he has handled this season.

 

[NickRU714]

Will not argue your last point. 😀

We would be a much better basketball team right now if we never got Ace Bailey. I am very confident with that.

Actually it might have been Ace's fault Glove ran around circles and gave up the open 3

Why would we be better?

Please don’t tell me the 3 Musketeers of JWill, Derkack and Davis just need more chances to score points.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Once in a lifetime opportunity is getting Myles Johnson to play 3 years or Geo Baker to play 5 years or Caleb McConnell for 5 years.

 

[KK1827]

Agree totally about disagreeing and arguing. My point is maybe some of the complainers should put up something more other than constant criticism and complaints. Yes, that's a part of sports, but this thread is also about NIL, and look at the guy below. If NIL is the problem, how do we fix the problem if people do not give? The guy below seems to think that is the job of "whales." Every bit helps.

Also, as to the poster who camped out at the President's office. He is awfully quiet after a very disappointing football season, isn't he? Football seems to get whatever it wants in resources to pay (sometimes overpay) for coaches and coordinators and seems to do OK with NIL. Why does he give GS a pass? Oh, is it the injuries, or something else?
I

Quiet? I thought we had a good football season. We beat the vegas o/u. Little bad stretch but finished strong. My donating $5-10K aint moving the needle. GS and pike should spend zero time on folks like me, in the 5-10K camp and 100% of their time on folks capable of writing high 6-figure to 7-figure checks. GS has, will pike follow suit?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Why would we be better?

Please don’t tell me the 3 Musketeers of JWill, Derkack and Davis just need more chances to score points.

The roster would look completely different.
We would play better defense.
We wouldn't have played Kennessaw State.

Ace NET NET is not moving the needle forward in terms of winning basketball games.
He is not making others better on offense (in fact he is making them worse).

Very good chance we wouldn't have Derkack and Davis