Not quite the same argument considering it is three hours further from State College and also the home (city) of several other colleges we play or could play at some point.
RU vs Maryland Football/Wrestling Doubleheader @ Yankee Stadium
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Not quite the same argument considering it is three hours further from State College and also the home (city) of several other colleges we play or could play at some point.
It's a very northeast trait. NJ is the epicenter of this thought process.
The crux of the argument is when is the last time PSU gave up a home football game?
We aren't at the level of PSU fanbase yet..shouldn't compare. When we start consistently selling out 100k stadium..then we can compare.
We are in a P5 conference, probably the second best in the country. Nobody else giving away home games. Not even Maryland.
Dude, did you even read the article? This is not making money.
In summary, let us go over all the ways that this idea is a colossal failure:
-No financial boon. Check.
-Idea is played out. Check.
-Attendance will be lower than same game at HPSS, with more neutral/visitors (ergo, loss of home field advantage). Check.
-Majority of fan base is inconvenienced. Check.
-Ticket holders are stuck with the bill regardless of their intentions to attend. TBD...buuuuuuuuuuuuut yeah, let's be real here.....Check.
Well done to whichever idiot initially agreed to this.
Plenty of power 5 teams have 6 home games, 5 sway games, and a neutral game. I don't see it as giving up a home game as we still have 6 at HPSS.
Honestly don't know if our UCF or Syracuse games were scheduled to be home games. I get your point but it isn't a good comparison because State College is in the middle of nowhere so there isn't really anything close by and both Pittsburgh and Philly have their own teams and Harrisburg couldn't accommodate it. I understand what you're saying, particularly when Maryland is no gimme.
I did. Just asked a question...
I agree, should never have been agreed upon by Julie. But it was, so Hobbs made the best of the situation. Much better than just a normal football game, in my opinion.
Lots of bad things about this:
A month without a home game. 4 games in a row away (with one being at Yankee Stadium). 3 Big Ten home games, 5 away, 1 neutral.
It's not only a bad idea on the merits, it is simply awful timing being sandwiched between 3 away games and being during a year when we are already 1 home game short in our conference schedule.
A month without a home game. 4 games in a row away (with one being at Yankee Stadium). 3 Big Ten home games, 5 away, 1 neutral.
It's not only a bad idea on the merits, it is simply awful timing being sandwiched between 3 away games and being during a year when we are already 1 home game short in our conference schedule.
Uh..........We would have had 7 but now have 6. 7 is greater than 6 by exactly 1. Thus we are giving up a home game. Understand?
PSU did not give up a home game. Your opponents did which was stupid of them IMO
So then plenty of p5 teams give up home games if u look at it that way. Texas, Oklahoma do every other year. Florida, georgia do every other year. Texas am gave one up this year.notre dame did. Syracuse did. Army, navy do every other year.wvu gave up home game this year.
Happens all the time if u look at it that way. As long as teams have 6 home games..to me, not giving one up.
I think if we were giving up an out of conference home game to play at Met Life, an actual football stadium in state, it would be more palatable than giving up a home conference game to be played in a Baseball stadium with awful viewing sight lines.
I agree 100%.
Im just debunking the argument that no other schools give up home games. Plenty do every year.
More people than you would think, crazy as it sounds. RU is a top 5 wrestling school in terms of average attendance per match.
I believe that in every one of your examples, the team giving up the home game is getting a boat load of cash from TV and/or the stadium that wants to host the game. I know ND has that special one game event at sites around the country to make cash and to keep their attempted national appeal going. (It counts as a "home" game but the Shamrock Series was set up as a neutral site years in advance to create a "special event", eg playing Miami at Soldier Field or BC at Fenway.) I still think it is a mistake for some to give up the home game especially Sadexcuse giving up a game for multiple years in a row totaling dissing their fans at home, but at least they get some cash from MetLife. Army/Navy need the cash IMO.
What exactly is RU getting for giving up a home game? It aint special when its been done 3 times already and we know there will be fewer RU fans and we are LOSING money instead of doing it for a big payday
A few points:
1) I have season tix. I drive from Boston for RU games. Yankee Stadium saves me 90 or so minutes. I'm not excited for this game. If RU makes me pay for it as part of the package, I'll go, but it's not my first choice. It would actually be the first time I elected to go to a Rutgers game at Yankee Stadium.
2) There's a reason why the Raiders are literally the only football team left playing in a shared-baseball stadium. The sight lines suck. Bad. Show me where a good seat is in Yankee stadium for a football game.
3) I get Penn State fans feeling like they can fill Yankee Stadium. Beaver is 106k. Yankee Stadium is 52.6k for football (I think). Rutgers is 52.4. Penn State just needs to get half of it's season ticket holders to travel for this, not to mention area alumni who suddenly have a closer game to attend. Rutgers actually needs to sell more tickets! If Rutgers selling out a home game for Maryland is not a forgone conclusion, no way it will sell out Yankee Stadium.
4) The wrestling doubleheader is an obvious way to try to market the game further. I think the AD is trying to make the best out of what could be a poorly attended game.
5) If I were leaving from Rutgers stadium, I'd be planning for an 1:15-1:20 minute drive. Not terrible, but I wouldn't call crossing the GWB on a Saturday morning to go to a tailgate, that RU could've hosted in Piscataway, an appealing idea.
I do understand some of the "whats the big deal" arguments, I just dont really see any upside to playing in the Bronx of all places.
1) I have season tix. I drive from Boston for RU games. Yankee Stadium saves me 90 or so minutes. I'm not excited for this game. If RU makes me pay for it as part of the package, I'll go, but it's not my first choice. It would actually be the first time I elected to go to a Rutgers game at Yankee Stadium.
2) There's a reason why the Raiders are literally the only football team left playing in a shared-baseball stadium. The sight lines suck. Bad. Show me where a good seat is in Yankee stadium for a football game.
3) I get Penn State fans feeling like they can fill Yankee Stadium. Beaver is 106k. Yankee Stadium is 52.6k for football (I think). Rutgers is 52.4. Penn State just needs to get half of it's season ticket holders to travel for this, not to mention area alumni who suddenly have a closer game to attend. Rutgers actually needs to sell more tickets! If Rutgers selling out a home game for Maryland is not a forgone conclusion, no way it will sell out Yankee Stadium.
4) The wrestling doubleheader is an obvious way to try to market the game further. I think the AD is trying to make the best out of what could be a poorly attended game.
5) If I were leaving from Rutgers stadium, I'd be planning for an 1:15-1:20 minute drive. Not terrible, but I wouldn't call crossing the GWB on a Saturday morning to go to a tailgate, that RU could've hosted in Piscataway, an appealing idea.
I do understand some of the "whats the big deal" arguments, I just dont really see any upside to playing in the Bronx of all places.
Mikemarc, you failed at debunking. Major fail. Only small time teams from weak conferences would give up a home conference game to:
-make less money
-have less fans and worse tailgating.
-lose home field advantage
-have your loyal season ticket holders sit in shitty seats.
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It most certainly does not happen all the time. Florida/Georgia, Texas/Oklahoma, & Army/Navy are all neutral site games. Neither school is giving up a home game. There are of course exceptions, Cuse selling their soul to play ND in the Meadowlands is comical and we thankfully are above that. I can understand a team wanting to play in Jerry Land. So it rarely happens at all for few exceptions and certainly not to go play in a baseball stadium.
The argument was this (word for word, copy and paste):
"We are in a P5 conference, probably the second best in the country. Nobody else giving away home games. Not even Maryland." - From G-RUnit at 3:44.
How is me listing over 8 teams that give away home games yearly not debunking this???
The argument wasn't about money, or tailgating, or home field advantage. You are just throwing them in now for the first time.
How is having a neutral site game not giving up a home game? They're giving up one extra game on campus every 2 years to play an annual neutral site game. We're giving up 1 game in 5+ years to play in a stadium 30 minutes away.
One thing is for sure...RU Wrestling will throw a beating on The Turtles and create a positive Buzz in the Bronx!
Let's Go RU!
Let's Go RU!
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Maybe someone has already said this in the thread but I'll say it anyway - If they had a series where Rutgers always hosted Maryland in the Bronx and Terps always hosted RU in Baltimore.....on a particular weekend annually so that alumni can plan daytrips around it......(thanksgiving weekend) this could be very cool. The Ravens schedule might affect it, but you'd have a whole weekend to work with. Friday and Saturday, at least.
RU is giving up a home game. Its a Rutgers home game. Maryland is not giving up a game. Army/Navy not giving up a home or away game. Same neutral site each year.
Correct. Maryland is the away team. Whoever is the HOME team in Army/Navy every year is GIVING up the home game on campus. I don't think its that confusing.
Oh well, doubt we'll agree regardless. Go RU!
None of those teams gave up home games. Those arent scheduled conference games. They xxxare big time money grabs by both teams. Rutgers isn't making more money by switching out a conference home game. The stupidity of this game is only overshadowed by your defense of it.
If you read through, I'm not defending it. Never did I say this was a great deal. Actually said the deal never should have been made...
But yes, these teams are giving away home games. A neutral site game = 1 less home game!!! It's not a hard concept to grasp. And I agree..these teams are making a hell of a lot more than Rutger is here. We aren't at their level yet.
I already Hobbs a letter on this 2 months ago, no response.
He can have my 4 season tickets next year he forces me to by the Yankee BS game.
Heck , Army fans said no way and their AD changed the venue back to West Point 2 years ago.
Ummmmmm....Notre Dame sells out no matter where they play.
NYC Subway Alumni would pay top dollar to see their Irish play in a sandlot ball field lot if they had to.
I'm pulling this out of my nether regions, but consider for a moment the admittedly unlikely scenario where both Rutgers and Maryland football are ranked teams going into this match up. What impact do you see on the television audience with the game in the Bronx rather than in Piscataway?
