Saturday will be another reality check

[Plum Street]

Seems like there is some optimism heading into Saturday with our best player back and all. But I fear it will be another game we get blown out in and another reality check to how far we have fallen , and how far away we are as a program . The days of Rutgers having a chance to beat a top 10 team at home seem long gone. I fear a mass exodus to the exits by late 3rd quarter, or at least another double digit conference loss . I hope I am wrong and will gladly come here to eat crow Sunday morning. It will be the first time .

 

[MoobyCow]

Seems like there is some optimism heading into Saturday with our best player back and all. But I fear it will be another game we get blown out in and another reality check to how far we have fallen , and how far away we are as a program . The days of Rutgers having a chance to beat a top 10 team at home seem long gone. I fear a mass exodus to the exits by late 3rd quarter, or at least another double digit conference loss . I hope I am wrong and will gladly come here to eat crow Sunday morning. It will be the first time .

You are most likely right, but of course you see some optimism, this is a fan board. If you can't at least dream about upsets what's the point of even going to the game? I'm 99% sure we're going to get crushed. The 1% is saying shut the F up and have some fun thinking about what might be.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

1% Moody!? This is a bunch of College kids, have you forgotten what that was like? Anything can happen. Unfortunately, upsets happen when good coaching is involved, that does not seem to be the case on our sidelines this Saturday.
So, though I don't agree with the 1%, I do see this as a long shot. My guess, 33%. And, that's enough to get crazy at the game, don't you think? Go RRRRRRRRRRRR UUUUUUUUUUU!

 

[MoobyCow]

1% Moody!? This is a bunch of College kids, have you forgotten what that was like? Anything can happen. Unfortunately, upsets happen when good coaching is involved, that does not seem to be the case on our sidelines this Saturday.
So, though I don't agree with the 1%, I do see this as a long shot. My guess, 33%. And, that's enough to get crazy at the game, don't you think? Go RRRRRRRRRRRR UUUUUUUUUUU!

Really you think we beat this team 1 out of 3 tries? Wow. Good for you. If I had to give an honest estimate I'd say more like 5%.

 

[Shoeless Joe #1]

1% Moody!? This is a bunch of College kids, have you forgotten what that was like? Anything can happen. Unfortunately, upsets happen when good coaching is involved, that does not seem to be the case on our sidelines this Saturday.
So, though I don't agree with the 1%, I do see this as a long shot. My guess, 33%. And, that's enough to get crazy at the game, don't you think? Go RRRRRRRRRRRR UUUUUUUUUUU!

I do not know if this is a dose of reality, we are playing a team in the top 10 that has been there for 3 years- they are a great team and if we are a mid-level team I would expect a double digit loss- similar to hundreds of other mid-level teams playing the elite teams.Your statement would be more true if you were a UGA fan and were ranked #8 and got owned at home by Bama who was ranked below you.

Our game is about can we reach up and suprised them- Purdue did last week- I do nthink ot that this is whhat reality is - (Next week is more a reality check!) So enjoy the taligate- the blackut atmosphere, and be like the rest of us and hope we play a near perfect game and the Spartans- bring their C game.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Really you think we beat this team 1 out of 3 tries? Wow. Good for you. If I had to give an honest estimate I'd say more like 5%.

The 33% does not imply that we can beat them "1 out of 3," but rather that we could beat beat them this week, under these circumstances. In other words, take the points! lol

 

[bethlehemfan]

Funny things happen on October nights.

 

[zappaa]

Even our most optimistic posters, the ones who are no doubt going to call you a loser and tell you to stay home and root for Alabama, deep down know we could very well be crushed in every facet of the game.
But, they do believe in miracles, so here's hoping for a miraculous effort Saturday night and pulling of an upset.
Go RU…

 

[KnightsofChrome]

BTW Shoeless Joe, I don't take national ranking as serious as others. I look at the matchup, strength against strength, weakness vs. weakness, and so on. The #1 glaring weakness I see at RU, and it's been this way for a while, is coaching, or lack of it. In College football it's HUGE!

 

[Shoeless Joe #1]

BTW Shoeless Joe, I don't take national ranking as serious as others. I look at the matchup, strength against strength, weakness vs. weakness, and so on. The #1 glaring weakness I see at RU, and it's been this way for a while, is coaching, or lack of it. In College football it's HUGE!

Chrome- I do not orry as much about National rankings- IE: why I called MSU a top 10 team- the last 3 years they won thhe Big 10 -2013, 2014- Beat Baylor in a BCS bowl game and are undeafeated this year- I memory serves me 4 losses in 3 years!!! We have an uphill climb with a mid-level team and possible a bottom-10 coaching staff. On that sir, we are in lock-step!!!

 

[JQRU91]

Really you think we beat this team 1 out of 3 tries? Wow. Good for you. If I had to give an honest estimate I'd say more like 5%.

Even that may be too wildly optimistic.

 

[vkj91]

Funny how people talk about "gone are the days of being a Rutgers team that has a chance to beat a top 10 team" as if we had some sustained period where we could. We beat one real top 10 team in a year where everything aligned perfectly for Rutgers football.

 

[StyleKnight]

OP and his grumpy self are not welcome at my tailgate.

 

[miketd1]

MSU is a ball control & play defense team (like we are, but much better). The game will be a single score game into the half then get out of hand entering the 4th when we are forced to be more aggressive in our play-calling (since we'll be behind).

 

[Knight Shift]

Even our most optimistic posters, the ones who are no doubt going to call you a loser and tell you to stay home and root for Alabama, deep down know we could very well be crushed in every facet of the game.
But, they do believe in miracles, so here's hoping for a miraculous effort Saturday night and pulling of an upset.
Go RU…

In the back of my mind, I think we might have a Wisconsin homecoming type of game. However, I am more optimistic that it will not take a miracle to pull out a win. Michigan State has looked very suspect in the second half and they are very dinged up, especially in the secondary. Whatever happens, I will go home and not be worried one way or another. If we win, the reactions on this board will be interesting. If we have a close game and lose, that may be a sign of progress, but I am sure we will see the "if HR was QB. . . ". If we get blown out, the board will be in a raging dumpster fire mode, but I will just see this as part of the process as moving towards change. Will not get excited one way or another, even if we win. If we do manage a win, I hope the over the top positoids do not start talking about how we can run the table. Go RU.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Well Purdue hung with them, even some of the midmajors did for a time. I'm not saying we won't get blown out or that we'll win but I wouldn't be so despondent about it. I think we have as a good a chance as those other teams to at least make a game of it.

 

[RU-05]

We are talking about the MSU team that squeaked one out vs Purdue right?

They may very well come in here and trounce us, but let's not act like it is a sure thing that we get trounced.

 

[Crazed_RU]

The 33% does not imply that we can beat them "1 out of 3," but rather that we could beat beat them this week, under these circumstances. In other words, take the points! lol

The mathematical genius side of me says that when you quote a % like that it does in fact mean that on average, and over time we can beat then 33% of the time. But to your point there is no reason that the first time can't be this weekend. Go RU !!

 

[Scarlet16E]

Stay home and root for Alabama!

But seriously, I don't get posts like this. Everyone is well aware that we are very unlikely to win this game. Even without all the off the field crap we would be replacing a ton of starters this season. The percentage of returning starters is the best predictor of success in college football. This on top of being in year 2 of the B1G, which no one can deny is a huge step up for us. The sophomore slump has affected many other teams who moved up in conference expansion.
But if fans want to hope for a miracle. Why do you feel the need to bring them down? I would prefer that you keep your misery to yourself.

 

[Rokodesh]

oh looks its this thread again

 

[RUskoolie]

Funny how people talk about "gone are the days of being a Rutgers team that has a chance to beat a top 10 team" as if we had some sustained period where we could. We beat one real top 10 team in a year where everything aligned perfectly for Rutgers football.

I have never, ever, felt that we had almost no chance against any team we played until the 2013 season to the present. The HC you love to defend has made sure that feeling is completely tramped out of the minds of most RU fans, thanks to his woeful track record against teams with a pulse. We struggle enough with 6-6 teams, let alone a team whose physical appearance makes us look like a JV team.

 

[zappaa]

In the back of my mind, I think we might have a Wisconsin homecoming type of game. However, I am more optimistic that it will not take a miracle to pull out a win. Michigan State has looked very suspect in the second half and they are very dinged up, especially in the secondary. Whatever happens, I will go home and not be worried one way or another. If we win, the reactions on this board will be interesting. If we have a close game and lose, that may be a sign of progress, but I am sure we will see the "if HR was QB. . . ". If we get blown out, the board will be in a raging dumpster fire mode, but I will just see this as part of the process as moving towards change. Will not get excited one way or another, even if we win. If we do manage a win, I hope the over the top positoids do not start talking about how we can run the table. Go RU.

Shift-
Here's why you would get excited.
We would have beaten the undefeated #4 team in the country.
We would be plastered all over BTN, we'd be the talk of college football today, we'd be all over the newspapers, we'd be the prominent story of the weekend. Granted it would more than likely be based in MSU being a fraud with lots of injuries, but I'll take it.
God I love being relevant, this will give us that for a week

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Even that may be too wildly optimistic.

I know, but it gets me up in the morning. lol

 

[KnightsofChrome]

The mathematical genius side of me says that when you quote a % like that it does in fact mean that on average, and over time we can beat then 33% of the time. But to your point there is no reason that the first time can't be this weekend. Go RU !!

I'll give you that. And, in the future I'll make sure to keep that in mind. At least 33% of the time. lol

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Rutgers basketball beat Wisconsin in the middle of a bad season at home. different sports i get it...

2-3 bounces go our way and we have a few players have great games I can see a win.

I have a good feeling about Saturday, I am not sure why.

 

[rutgersguy1]

We are talking about the MSU team that squeaked one out vs Purdue right?

They may very well come in here and trounce us, but let's not act like it is a sure thing that we get trounced.

This is my thinking. On top of which I've said before in the B10 and throughout college football, I don't really see any dominant teams. Many of them have had trouble with teams you don't think they'd normally have trouble with and this year maybe more than others there's a better chance to hang around. If you can do that then anything can happen.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Wondering if a couple of you guys have actually watched MSU's games this year OR just saw the final score/tuned in late. Sparty has rolled to comfortable, halftime leads, most games thus far, then gotten conservative on O and complacent on D, in the 2nd half. As a matter of fact they have ONLY been behind once, all season, and that was 7-0 to Oregon early in the game. If they play like that Saturday, sure, we might score a few points - MIGHT - but if they play a full half, unfortunately, different story. Anyway, the 3 games this has happened so far.

@ WMU: Up 27-7, W 37-24
Air Force: Up 35-7, W 35-21
Purdue: Up 21-0, W 24-21

....also 2 wins (CMU/WMU) came against teams filled with kids who want nothing more than to beat "state." Kinda like if RU scheduled Monmouth (but with better players).

So, yeah, they might not be #5 in the nation, BUT....I'm not so sure even with LC this is anywhere close to a "1 TD game" going into the 2nd half. If anything I fully expect Sparty to get up on us, early, as they did last year, and maybe for us to get some points in the 2nd half to make things look not-so-bad, BUT, as always, I'll be rooting my living ass off for the "W" and nothing less!

 

[ArminRU]

Dude, can't you just enjoy the hype and hope for the best? Christ, what is wrong with you?

 

[vkj91]

I have never, ever, felt that we had almost no chance against any team we played until the 2013 season to the present. The HC you love to defend has made sure that feeling is completely tramped out of the minds of most RU fans, thanks to his woeful track record against teams with a pulse. We struggle enough with 6-6 teams, let alone a team whose physical appearance makes us look like a JV team.

First off, can we stop with the BS love to defend crap? I've been open to change for years, I'm just a little more realistic to the situation. I don't get why pointing out the reality of the past is considered defending the present. You might not have felt we didn't have a chance but that doesn't change the fact we didn't. You guys make believe Schiano wasn't getting blown out, by way worse competition, year in and year out. From 2007-2011 we lost by 21 or more 10 times.

 

[Knight Shift]

Wondering if a couple of you guys have actually watched MSU's games this year OR just saw the final score/tuned in late. Sparty has rolled to comfortable, halftime leads, most games thus far, then gotten conservative on O and complacent on D, in the 2nd half. If they play like that Saturday, sure, we might score a few points - MIGHT - but if they play a full half, unfortunately, different story. Anyway, the 3 games this has happened so far.

@ WMU: Up 27-7, W 37-24
Air Force: Up 35-7, W 35-21
Purdue: Up 21-0, W 24-21

....also 2 wins (CMU/WMU) came against teams filled with kids who want nothing more than to beat "state." Kinda like if RU scheduled Monmouth (but with better players).

So, yeah, they might not be #5 in the nation, BUT....I'm not so sure even with LC this is anywhere close to a "1 TD game" going into the 2nd half. If anything I fully expect Sparty to get up on us, early, as they did last year, and maybe for us to get some points in the 2nd half to make things look not-so-bad, BUT, as always, I'll be rooting my living ass off for the "W" and nothing less!

Rutgers v. Maryland 2014
First Half: Maryland 35, Rutgers 17, final- Rutgers 41-38.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. We had Nova. We were more experienced. Maryland is not MSU. Deflect. Deflect. Deflect. Minimize any possibility for success. That's the expected response.
And I am sure the Rutgers players don't want to win Saturday night like CMA/WMU.

 

[Knight Shift]

Shift-
Here's why you would get excited.
We would have beaten the undefeated #4 team in the country.
We would be plastered all over BTN, we'd be the talk of college football today, we'd be all over the newspapers, we'd be the prominent story of the weekend. Granted it would more than likely be based in MSU being a fraud with lots of injuries, but I'll take it.
God I love being relevant, this will give us that for a week

I'll take it too. I will be unable to speak on Sunday I will be so hoarse from screaming Saturday night. Maybe I was a bit too reserved in my post.

 

[Knightmoves]

The title of this thread should read " Plum Street Predicts MSU Blowout Over RU"

Does anyone really care when one of our fans predicts a blowout loss at home two days before the game ? Does the OP want board attention or does he want us to feel sorry for him ? Maybe he forgets that the rest of us are also heavily invested in RU FB.

I don't get it.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Nuts, I get you. And, your analysis of various issues on this board are not always without merit, matter of fact I agree with you on many of them. But, you have to realize this is a "FAN" blog, we want to hear all is great with anything Rutgers. Yes, we have been battling a losing battle for over 150 years, but what makes US special and different is our resilience in the face of adversity. To overcome, is to endure! Give us the few moments of illusion which makes us Rutgers Fans, in the end we will always have tomorrow.
Saturday is another example of our faith and hope of what Rutgers Football could be.
Go RU!

 

[S.B. Crumb]

I see that the spread is now down to +14 RU.

Since 2003, a 2 TD underdog has won outright ~15% of the time in that spread neighborhood. Not completely hopeless, but a loss is highly likely.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/

 

[Rokodesh]

We beat a top 10 UL 9 years ago and one overrated USF team and OP thinks we've been knocking off top teams for years.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Chrome- I do not orry as much about National rankings- IE: why I called MSU a top 10 team- the last 3 years they won thhe Big 10 -2013, 2014- Beat Baylor in a BCS bowl game and are undeafeated this year- I memory serves me 4 losses in 3 years!!! We have an uphill climb with a mid-level team and possible a bottom-10 coaching staff. On that sir, we are in lock-step!!!

This is not nearly the same MSU team as the ones in the past 3 years.

First off, their dynamic DC is gone, and because of that, their level of play on that side has fallen considerably.

Secondly, their d-backs are as young and inexperienced as ours, and have been getting torched this season. There are reasons they have fallen to 8th in the league in total D, from #1 the last three years.

This is still a good MSU team, but are they really a top 5 team right now? No way!
If not for their senior stud QB, they wouldn't even be a top 25 team.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Rutgers v. Maryland 2014
First Half: Maryland 35, Rutgers 17, final- Rutgers 41-38.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. We had Nova. We were more experienced. Maryland is not MSU. Deflect. Deflect. Deflect. Minimize any possibility for success. That's the expected response.
And I am sure the Rutgers players don't want to win Saturday night like CMA/WMU.

Uhm, I was just pointing out some facts about MSU's games, thus far, that others may have missed, that's all Shift lol! This has nothing to do with our team last year, our game against Maryland, or what could happen Saturday night...

...and the players better damn well WANT to "win" Saturday night!

 

[bac2therac]

When has a Flood led team actually beat a team better than them..no im not talking about beating teams like Maryland who was favorite. Thats a school in rutgers grouping..where is the signature win

 

[vkj91]

Nuts, I get you. And, your analysis of various issues on this board are not always without merit, matter of fact I agree with you on many of them. But, you have to realize this is a "FAN" blog, we want to hear all is great with anything Rutgers. Yes, we have been battling a losing battle for over 150 years, but what makes US special and different is our resilience in the face of adversity. To overcome, is to endure! Give us the few moments of illusion which makes us Rutgers Fans, in the end we will always have tomorrow.
Saturday is another example of our faith and hope of what Rutgers Football could be.
Go RU!

I disagree. I don't want to make believe that all is great and don't think negative points shouldn't be discussed. My issue the group of people who just can't ever see any good. They'll hijack every thread and spin it Into a why we suck thread. Even in this tread, someone has already posted if we were to play well or win it's bc MSU is a fraud.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Nuts, I get you. And, your analysis of various issues on this board are not always without merit, matter of fact I agree with you on many of them. But, you have to realize this is a "FAN" blog, we want to hear all is great with anything Rutgers. Yes, we have been battling a losing battle for over 150 years, but what makes US special and different is our resilience in the face of adversity. To overcome, is to endure! Give us the few moments of illusion which makes us Rutgers Fans, in the end we will always have tomorrow.
Saturday is another example of our faith and hope of what Rutgers Football could be.
Go RU!

KOC - I get it, trust me, and there's a reason I don't start threads ripping us apart, just wanted to add some knowledge to the thread about what's going on with MSU, that's all buddy. I'm ready to tailgate early, cheer often, and get a "W" come Saturday, trust me!