Scholarship Offers of Starters - like the Shea era
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I'm speaking strictly from a recruiting perspective. If the median recruit in each class has offers from BC, Hofstra and Delaware, RU will continue to lose to the Washington's of the world by 30.
Take a look at Iowa' starters and offers.....best two players Desmond King and Bernhard have horrible offer lists. Third best or at least one of their better players the RB from Newark also ad a horrible offer list. ,Since 2012, their recruiting has been 2 stars, 3 stars and a sprinkling of 4 stars..... how is PSU expected to compete against them?
Wisconsin is similar, maybe a few more 4 stars, in fact, 3 starters from last years were walkons and now play in the NFL.
Go back and check the offer lists of PSU starters or near starters.... Ewan Schwan Brandon Bell, Jason Clarinda. How about the two best DT's at PSU in recent memory.... Jordan Hal and Austin Johnson.....2 stars with horrible offer list or maybe that all Big 18 DE from last year....was he a walk on?
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Not sure your point. Put Iowa and Wisky over in the East and let me know how they do. Also, Ferentz was dead man walking a few years ago.
There are always going to be an ARob and a Nassib but stars matter. You're proving my point by bringing up some of those PSU guys.
If you want to buy into the diamond in the rough philosophy, go right ahead. Personally, I do not.
exactly
the whole, 'we didn't have enough talent' is just used to mask a horrible first impression by Ash. Coaches made quite a bit of mistakes but none more so that not adjusting and not being prepared.
I got news for you, Flood's classes were not inherently different from Gary's. We do not have a talent issue that warrants what we saw on the field last Saturday. This team was not prepared, the schemes were God awful, the lack of adjustments made were mind boggling, the coaching decisions were awful
you guys are in denial
first game jitters? I'll give him to 3 games before we label him one way or the other but he is 0 for 1 in the count and I'm not talking scoreboard
So now Iowa and Wisky can't compete against OSU and Michigan or MSU, I assume that's what you meant by pit them in the East and see how they do........ Really?
Can they compete against PSU ? Maybe you should check the Iowa vs PSu series since 2000, including 5 straight victories from 2000-2004.....that's pre-scandal.
How is PSU going to do against Pitt and it's 2 and 3 stars?
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I agree, wholeheartedly.
Because this question of whether it's better to be a proven Head Coach at a MAC school, or the Top Assist at tOSU, is an very interesting question, with regards to whom you hire.
Coach Ash is used to well funded programs with long histories of excellence.
As opposed to getting a Coach that understands how to build a program given a dearth of resources, recruits, etc.
If Syracuse beats Louisville. . .
I prefer a qb on a 5-5 team that only had 5 wins cause of the qb than any blue chip out of a top program. I prefer the same in a coach. Coaches are supposed to use the resources they have, abilities of the players they have etc and build winners. Ash can put in place what he wants but if he doesn't have what he wants now, he should mold the team to adjust to what he's got
he did not do this on Saturday so it's fair to look at his 'coaching' with a crooked eye somewhat. It's early yes but what a miserable first display
OKAY.... simmer down now. You're taking this a little too far now. Washington had a 3 outstanding plays where they moved guys around pre-snap to get great matchups in their favor. It was the first game and adjustments will be made.
and let's be honest, it's kinda like Joe Torre with many of his teams, Ash didn't need to be good coach at OSU as the talent and product was already established. A monkey could have managed the yankees under Torre and I think the same is true of some of these programs in college. So much talent that makes up for bad/under coaching and iffy schemes. imho
Agreed, and the true test of a Chef is what he can do with what he's got in the fridge. Yeah it's great if a Chef can prepare Foie Gras, but let me see what you can do with an egg.
and honestly, I'm not surprised by Saturday's debacle. Our Coach looked like he's in over his head.
and I'm definitely not buying this Ash gets three years crap.
we'll know midway thru this year what we've got in Coach Ash.
Okay... you two guys are just being silly now.... time to go
Gary Schiano did not beat anyone good except for Louisville in 2006. We beat up on the pansies and would beat the crappy big east teams that were in their down years.
Well flood recruited Heeman, Applefield, and Cole who seem to actually be better than (or at least as good as) guys from Schiano's vaunted class like Brodie (obviously), Muller, and Denman.
the fact that Seymour converted from D-line to O-line, and in less than a week, he cracked the two deep at RT. . . tells you pretty much where we're at on the O-line.
You know who we could really use....Blake Camper and Justin Herron. grumble
I would guess that Iowa and Wisky could compete against OSU and Michigan slightly better than Penn State could right now. If we were to look back over the past decade I would say they compete against them worse than Penn State. I understand that Iowa definitely has our number but the West overall is a joke.
LOL @ bringing up PITT. You may want to do some research on the strength of their team. As an FYI, it's the OL and it has Dorian Johnson (R100 5*), Adam Bisnowaty (R250 4*) and Alex Bookser (R250 4*) on it with two of them being Seniors. BTW, their leading tackler last year is a kid named Jordan Whitehead. Ever hear that name before?
Like I said, if you want to go with the Diamond in the Rough strategy, have at it.
Ash needs to make this happen. He's got to get talent here.
I became a maniac RU FBall fan starting in 2000 what I got out of college. Why does it feel like if Ash can't turn RU into a contender, it won't in our lifetime? Anyone else feel like this? We just won't compete getting guys who's only other choice is mid majors.
I became a maniac RU FBall fan starting in 2000 what I got out of college. Why does it feel like if Ash can't turn RU into a contender, it won't in our lifetime? Anyone else feel like this? We just won't compete getting guys who's only other choice is mid majors.
I'm not quite sure what to think about Coach Ash, except to say that he could very well find success at his next stop, based on his experiences at Rutgers.
and no, I'm not prepared to give up on the program if Coach Ash is found wanting.
because if Ash is the truth, I could see him leaving in three years just as easily.
so he could be gone in three years, either because he's absolutely fantastic, or awful.
I didn't say anything about Ash. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Saturday served as a beacon of hope for the Ash era. First, Schiano's recruiting was better than Flood's. Schiano's classes from 2007-12 averaged around 42nd best, Flood's average class was around 59th. Not astronomical but certainly a difference. Second, I just don't see the argument that this roster can compete in the Big10 East. How many guys on this roster have a shot at getting drafted? Maybe Grant and Hamilton? Outside shot for Hampton and Hester? When Schiano was rolling RU was producing annual 1st or second day draft picks. I don't see that here and nothing will change until higher profile guys ala Britt, Carroo, Harmon, Ryan, Davis and Savage get back in the fold.
someone did in another thread albeit, not a full 6
nothing about the coaching and prep comments huh?
let's just blame talent, hell even mushmouth in the booth couldn't understand what schemes were employing and talked about the coaching 'mistakes'
I usually record the game and watch plays a few times in slow motion, looking off the ball at coverages, the line, etc. Figuring out the blown assignment, who's out of position, and so on. After the PAC12 streaming fiasco, I can't really comment on much...
Besides our o-line though. Even on an iPad, you can tell somethings wrong there.
