Or imagine if they just put a box to check for putting your donation in a fund for a new coach ... Lol.
Sent back my R Fund mail request for another donation
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Or imagine if they just put a box to check for putting your donation in a fund for a new coach ... Lol.
I don't think you can look at BIG Build Fund donations as the barometer of support for the athletic department. First, donations to the BIG Build Fund are directed to capital improvements, so they wouldn't be used to fund a coaching change, or any other area of program support. Second, there are plenty of important areas other than the BIG Build Fund where people can donate.
This gets back to the argument I have been making for a long time that the AD controls the athletic budget. If there is or is not money to replace a coach, that is on the AD.
But having decided last year that he wasn't going to replace Ash, and having decided that funding was needed for capital improvements, it is reasonable for Ash to have directed fund-raising efforts toward capital improvements. It would have been nonsensical to direct fund-raising efforts to replacing Ash if Ash wasn't going to be replaced.
Of course Hobbs owns the decision to hire Ash, the decision to agree to the contract terms, and the decision to retain Ash last year. Hobbs can redeem himself with the replacement of Ash with a suitable hire this year. And like always, he controls the athletic budget so it is his job to find the funds within the budget to make that change.
Recycle next time.
I received the same letter 3 times in the mail yesterday
Waste of money by Rutgers.
I have not donated in a while and won't as long as Barchi and Ash are employed by RU.
Not for FOOTBALL. This fund was for football and so so very few stepped up. Plenty step up to complain about the price of water and parking but when it’s time to do anything other than complain crickets. The BIG BUILD fund was for the most important sports for the face of the school. Football and Basketball. Capital improvements for football and Basketball and basically no one showed up. It was the most important fund raiser in Rutgers sports history and we as a whole did not show up. All the old fanbase does is talk about it and complain but don’t ask them for $$$$.
Don’t forget, some of your much needed donations will go to get out of a home and home series with UCLA for the low low price of half a million dollars!
Chris, we went through this about a month ago. It is great that you are passionate about donating to Rutgers. I encourage you to keep up that passion. But that passion doesn't mean that your plan to donate to Rutgers is the only correct way to donate. Stop berating people who have a different donation philosophy and donate to different areas. By all means, encourage others to support Rutgers. But recognize there is more than one correct way to do that.
then you would have to place names and amounts,
Greg Schiano 200.00
Butch Jones 150.00
Jeff Monken. 100.00
Jason Candle. 75.00
LOL.
There's money, on July 1st of 2020 we get a $15 mil. bump.(credit to @Wolv RU he did the research) Problem is that will all go to final Elimination of Direct Institutional Support and paying back the loan from the University bank. Which will balloon to $23.7 mil. by 2022, Barchi and the BOG made athletics take this out to cover short falls in the budget. Yes Hobbs fault, but the budget set by the BOG didn't help matters.
So there's money it's just being diverted to other interests. They'll handcuff the AD once again while they sit back and cash the check. That doesn't really inspire confidence for me to give a helping hand. Rather it tells me they just don't care. So I'll stick to donating to the SKWC and keep Rutgers incompetent hands off my money.
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You spend a ton of your time on Rutgers sports. You certainly are on here enough to say you are emotionally invested. There are so many like you and me that RU is an important part of your life your 8000 posts say that. Why not help Rutgers in catching up to its peers. Why did so many “die hards” not donate to the most important fund it Rutgers Sports history?
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most all of their reasons for not donating are phony--they probably never did much even in the past--that of course is their choice--but they sure know how to give with their mouths
All any of us can do is try. One aspect of being a professor is that you have to try to teach everyone, no matter what their abilities or attitudes. I guess I carry that over to this board.
I have donated only few hundred. The point is that donors, big or small, want great facilities to get great athletes to come to Rutgers. But all the great facilities in the world matter little when we have a total loser like Ash as head coach.
Does anybody at Rutgers realize that donations would soar if we were competitive in Football? I want to feel proud again not embarrassed by my alma mater. This part of our image to the outside world matters a lot to me.
I will start supporting with donations again and season tickets when they replace Ash with a winner. I'll take GS right now.
Does anybody at Rutgers realize that donations would soar if we were competitive in Football? I want to feel proud again not embarrassed by my alma mater. This part of our image to the outside world matters a lot to me.
I will start supporting with donations again and season tickets when they replace Ash with a winner. I'll take GS right now.
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Because people manage their funds as they see fit. I spend time at fan forums because they are frankly entertaining as heck and free. That’s as honest as I can be.
When I get mine I donate.
Place a note in with donation saying you'd donate more if Ash is let go and put in an extra few bucks with a request it be put in the Ash buyout fund.
For all saying they're not donating, why broadcast it unless you want reasons to have you go back to donating .
Or are you trying to get more people to stop donating and harm every RU Athletic program because they also are effected when donations go down.
It's not just football you're hurting.
Let your voice be heard with a note of displeasure packed inside your donation envelope .
I never find scolding or belittling or berating useful as a means to get people to do things you want. Some are intractable, nothing you can do about that just ignore as noise....but others are reachable and just being harsh about things isn't likely to change any minds...better to try reasonable reasoned arguments. Maybe some won't change but then again maybe some will. It's the ones in the middle you're looking to persuade not the intractable.
What kind of proof are you looking for. BlockR made a meaningless claim.
It is public knowledge that Hobbs raised millions of dollars for capital improvements, including the basketball practice facility, the Rodkin Academic Center, football lockerrooms, etc.
As far as whether anyone tried to donate to a fund to replace Ash last year, I have no proof that anyone did, but based on the posts on this board, it seems that many individuals indicated that they wanted to donate to replace Ash. It is not a stretch to assume that at least one person offered to donate at least $1 to replace Ach. But Hobbs didn't fire Ash, so he couldn't collect any money to replace Ash. It would be illegal for Hobbs to collect money that is earmarked for only one purpose and not use it for that purpose.
If Hobbs had collected money earmarked for replacing Ash, he would have had to return that money because he did not replace Ash. If someone tried to donate money to replace Ash, then Hobbs had 2 choices: (1) Accept the money and return it when Ash was not replaced or (2) Refuse the money.
Either way, if Hobbs returned or refused the money, and simultaneously or later solicited fund for other purposes, then BlockR's claim is correct that Hobbs asked donors to direct their donations to causes other than replacing Ash. If anyone offered to donate any amount to replace Ash, the only way BlockR's claim is false is if after returning/refusing the earmarked donation, Hobbs told the potential donor to never donate to Rutgers again. And there is no way that happened.
So BlockR's claim really boils down to the fact that Hobbs raised millions of dollars and Hobbs did not replace Ash at the end of last season. What kind of proof do you want of that.
I think you're being too kind. Basically, BlockR is trying to create the impression that tons of donors begged Hobbs to fire Ash and that the donors said they would pay big bucks to do that, only to be rebuffed by Hobbs, and that loads of the donors who gave for facillities would rather have given the money to replace Ash. But BlockR has not demonstrated those things, just as he never demonstrates anything he claims.
There are several things fundamentally wrong with this post, but for the sake of time, let’s drill down to the core of it.
Money isn’t collected, donated, or any of the other verbs you used, before the coach is actually fired. Contingent Pledges are made in these situations. The contingency would obviously be the coach being fired, with secondary clauses like timing, etc. They’re also known as conditional pledges.
I skipped BlockR’s post, so I’ve got nothing to add there.
I know what he was trying to imply. But what he actually said was that Ash raised a lot of money and didn't fire Ash. He just surrounded that with a lot of hyperbole to imply that there was something more nefarious than just failing to fire Ash.
I gave up my season tix since moving to the West Coast but still donate....earmark your donation for other programs or the build fund, or college of arts and sciences or whatever. It's not just about money for a coach but around all of the additional needs to have a successful athletics program across the board.
Without getting into the myriad of ways money can be pledged or donate, none of that changes the fact that BlockR's diatribe boils down to the fact that Hobbs raised a lot of money and didn't fire Ash. We all know that.
Are your trying to defend BlockR, and if so, why?
He's a broken record, half of the time with broken facts. For example, he stamps his feet that Greg Brown has to be involved in the next coach search because Hobbs screwed up with Ash. But several links have been posted showing Greg Brown was involved in the decision to hire Ash.
When someone insists that dealing with the direct institutional support and the loan is a sign of “incompetence,” we’ve gone off the deep end. This is a university, not a sports franchise. We made a bad hire. Barring a miracle he will be gone in a couple of months.
I won’t give them a dime until Ash is gone, huh? Your choice. And my choice to say that is not a sign of a well-developed mind. We demand Rutgers spend more on football (a funny notion in its own right to some less-informed folks around the state) on the one hand and reduce the money they have to spend on the other. Genius!
I cannot wait until this season is over and we finally can move on
I won’t give them a dime until Ash is gone, huh? Your choice. And my choice to say that is not a sign of a well-developed mind. We demand Rutgers spend more on football (a funny notion in its own right to some less-informed folks around the state) on the one hand and reduce the money they have to spend on the other. Genius!
I cannot wait until this season is over and we finally can move on
No, I'm calling his post meaningless.
Dude, I don't think they are missing the $200 you gave in 2007.
How can you say with a straight face that the school won't "invest" when Rutgers carried the largest subsidy in college sports for a number of years. What do you think that subsidy is making up for? Cheap ass donors....that's what.
Stopping your donations is counterproductive to what RU fans want: successful sports teams. I agree with the divert your money to another team or RU cause if you don't want to donate money for football.
Honestly, do whatever you want with your money just don't bitch about our crappy teams when you stop supporting them financially.
Honestly, do whatever you want with your money just don't bitch about our crappy teams when you stop supporting them financially.
Oh for fuk's sake, donate to wrestling or the SKWC, the scholarship fund, or the hundreds of other athletic and academic funds available. You want a great university and athletics program, then fund it like Princeton and Texas with plenty of donations. Have some pride in your alma mater and donate to make it better.
Contingency pledges (good term, btw) aren't generally collected until a potential replacement is identified. I know this because in the week leading up to the USF game in 2013, when RU was talking to Dan Mullen, I collected proxies from a number of good friends and donors, contacted highly-placed folks on Julie's team and began the process to turn over what amounted to roughly $100k worth of said "contingency pledges". I was told to stand by and await further instructions. As is more or less well known, we fell a couple million short.
For the sake of accuracy the additional loan was not taken to make up a shortfall it was a planned strategy by the AD to take on debt borrowing against future revenue to increase investment into the football program.
Now when it comes to donating I agree it’s own decision to choose whether they want to continue donating in bad times or decrease it or not give one altogether. It’s the ADs job to connect with the fan base and garner its support.
BUT, at some point the AD has to be the one to take a leap of faith (or make a move if you will) and act in a way that shows the fan base they are really trying to get better. It’s usually the easy way to get that fan base supporting you again which is why it’s even more maddening they have not demonstrated that.
Because you bet your ass that donors would be writing checks left and right if we went out and spent spent middle of the pack Big ten money on a coach for $4.5M.
And if the harsh reality is the AD won’t do that then it needs to be plainly communicated and there needs to be a vision that clearly differentiates our strategy to be competitive and it needs to be well thought out and sold to us.
Unfortunately we’re not doing either.
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Its absolutely mind boggling how cheap that $2mm must seem to the administration right now. Good lord. The stadium would have been packed for the last 7 years.
Yeah, but we never really had a shot. Julie, as AD, was well-intentioned (and really hated Flood). Pernetti had already shown himself utterly incapable of standing up to Barchi - the whole ridiculous Mike Rice saga proved that.
When you really drill down into the analysis, the number of ways in which we are behind the 8 ball utterly defies geometry.
Re-read what he wrote -- " That money,some donors wanted to use towards a new HC,were directed by Hobbs to to those funds last season ,INSTEAD of hiring a new head Coach."
All I am asking him is show me proof of that. That's all. Else, its a false news narrative.
I realize what you are noting is that what he wrote is meaningless, but that is how false narratives get started. We see that in everyday news cycles. My response to that is to call it out and not accept it.
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My wife donates to her own school. USC. I donate to mine. Rutgers. Much more than you probably ever will.
You still changing oil in cars or did you get promoted?
You married a toejam?? (That's what Cal people call what you call Trojans).
Cali is a fraud the only thing he is good at is posting several hundred times a day on this site. Everyday 24/7 365!!! You would have to really have nothing else going on to post here and wherever else he posts because he has screwed up showing there are other boards he dedicates his time too. He is an internet loser to the 10th Power.
