The point I’m trying to make is much of the shooting burden was put on Simpson as he did not have much of a supporting cast. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he had his best game on J Williams first game.
The enigma that is Derek Simpson
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There are a lot of positives in the post but all buried in the final P. I like the kid’s game a lot. EXCEPT for the fg%. If he can get it up above 40% even, that’s a big plus for the team.
Yes and Gavin also is told to shoot early and often. Hyatt was consistently hitting his 3's this year but we did not have much else going on Offensively.
The real problem is certain people love to hate players. Those people have problems. Others just hate losing and blame whoever missed the most shots that game. It's childish but I can live with that.
Simpson has some really good attributes but his effective FG% is absolutely horrible. If he can somehow become a decent shooter, he would be such a good asset to this team.
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Even if he can't be good in terms of efficiency, if he can just be even mediocre and not bottom of the barrel level efficient, he can still be a net positive if he continues to play D, hustle, rebound, and keep evolving as a distributor. Find a way to eliminate those 3-13 sub 30% type games
He has no vision and he’s an awful shooter. It’s a disaster when he runs the point.
Scangg again?
Put the freshman numbers down side by side :
Gavin 5 star stud
JMike
DS
Gavin and Jmike have the advantage because they were not playing behind 7 upperclassmen and DS numbers are still better and that includes shooting .
Selective love hate of the boards are crazy
My point is and I apologize if you don’t feel this way but the boards today has my head spinning. Ppl kill DS and somehow love JMike and believe in Gavin. When you look at there 1 years it’s not close. JMike and Gavin had more of an opportunity because the team was so young. The selection of who is good or not makes no sense.
Seasons over. Can’t go into next year with a junior guard with a record like Derek’s can you?
Freshman year is more about potential (besides guys like Ace and Dylan)
After sophomore year you're half way done with your career. You need to produce or at least show something. You can't be the literal worst eFG% shooter in all of high major. Not sure why this is hard to comprehend
If Gavin or Davis have a bad season next year, people will be ready to move on from them as well
But we now have the benefit of 2 years of Derek. No one was looking to run off Derek last year. Heck, most of the fan base wanted him to be the man this year. He didn’t get it done. In fact, he regressed.
Yea, it's an odd perspective. There was plentyyy of Simpson hype on the board after his freshman year. More hype than either Davis or Gavin are getting
Although the Gavin hype train I can see building pretty strong next season if he fills out and we start getting a lot of glowing off season reports
Most of the fan base was running him off last year as well. Shooting was awful no excuses. They said he was a bad defender false. They said he couldn’t handle the ball false. Was are best ball handler. Went out and led the team in assists and steaks was second to cliff in boards. Lots to appreciate but can’t get around shooting . I get it
There was no more hype in the last 20 years then there was for Gavin coming in this season. I guess it can go up?
Oh my lord, nearly spit my drink out when I read that comparison……how the hell could anyone compare him to Buie? Inconceivable!!!
When a team lands their highest recruit in Rivals history, there is obviously going to be hype. When that team has struggled with shooting for years and the player is regarded by many as the best shooter in the class, it's naturally going to increase the hype even more. I was guilty of it along with basically everyone else
I tried to warn people...
No, and I suspect he won't be back, but the overall Simpson vitriol on the board is beginning to feel excessive, almost vindictive. Thank him for his time at Rutgers and move on.
Exactly and it started very early in the season and was frankly ridiculous. He took over and won games both last year and this year. The criticism he had received is ridiculous. Nobody on this team shot well.
His shooting touch regressed but maybe partially too much pressure and lost confidence from this board. I do note that for most of the year he was one of the few players on this team that had the ability to get open on his own.
Even weirder is that most of the same fans who rip his shooting failed to acknowledge the many things he did well.
Best foul shooter on the team and one of the top 4 in the country.
Best ball handler on the team by far. We were seldom pressed and that is because Derek was a one man press breaker. It was almost always Derek bringing the ball up.
His assist to turnover ratio was the best on the team.
We were 3rd or 4th in defense in the country. After Cliff, Derek just as responsible. He is the quickest player we have had since Jacob and before that maybe quickest since Mack.
He lead the team in steals and I’m sure if Rutgers kept the stats he led the team in deflections and disruptions. Funny how Amir Young never took off scoring in the games against Rutgers. Hmmmm wonder why?
His rebounding has steadily increased over the year. He hustles as much as anybody and has the best motor on the team.
Even last night which I even note was awful shooting, he didn’t let it effect his overall game of 4 assists (Should have had more but teammates miss bunnies and bad hands) two rebounds and two steals but you wouldn’t know it from this message board.
You can’t teach speed. Defense as good as anybody. Foul shooting best on team and among best in conference. Best ball handler.
Shaking my head at only Gavin, JWill and Davis? Should come back.
And if Ace and Dylan are truly one and done, I would love to see Derek as a senior two years from now.
His shooting touch regressed but maybe partially too much pressure and lost confidence from this board. I do note that for most of the year he was one of the few players on this team that had the ability to get open on his own.
Even weirder is that most of the same fans who rip his shooting failed to acknowledge the many things he did well.
Best foul shooter on the team and one of the top 4 in the country.
Best ball handler on the team by far. We were seldom pressed and that is because Derek was a one man press breaker. It was almost always Derek bringing the ball up.
His assist to turnover ratio was the best on the team.
We were 3rd or 4th in defense in the country. After Cliff, Derek just as responsible. He is the quickest player we have had since Jacob and before that maybe quickest since Mack.
He lead the team in steals and I’m sure if Rutgers kept the stats he led the team in deflections and disruptions. Funny how Amir Young never took off scoring in the games against Rutgers. Hmmmm wonder why?
His rebounding has steadily increased over the year. He hustles as much as anybody and has the best motor on the team.
Even last night which I even note was awful shooting, he didn’t let it effect his overall game of 4 assists (Should have had more but teammates miss bunnies and bad hands) two rebounds and two steals but you wouldn’t know it from this message board.
You can’t teach speed. Defense as good as anybody. Foul shooting best on team and among best in conference. Best ball handler.
Shaking my head at only Gavin, JWill and Davis? Should come back.
And if Ace and Dylan are truly one and done, I would love to see Derek as a senior two years from now.
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Majority of people on this message board give players between 1 1/3 and 1 2/3 years of a free pass. Gavin and JaMike will get destroyed if they don't live up to fan's expectations some time next year.
Majority of people on this message board give players between 1 1/3 and 1 2/3 years of a free pass. Gavin and JaMike will get destroyed if they don't live up to fan's expectations some time next year.
Derek Simpson's last 10 games of the year
15-62 from 2
5-19 from 3
20-81 overall
There comes a time as a fan where you just have enough. You get angry everytime he takes a shot because they rarely go in from anywhere.
This team is terrible at shooting, but no one is that bad.
In MLB baseball if a guy bats .165 fans are eventually going to boo.
15-62 from 2
5-19 from 3
20-81 overall
There comes a time as a fan where you just have enough. You get angry everytime he takes a shot because they rarely go in from anywhere.
This team is terrible at shooting, but no one is that bad.
In MLB baseball if a guy bats .165 fans are eventually going to boo.
Then again nobody stepped up this year and hit shots. So you’re weren’t angry when everybody else missed at pretty awful rates themselves.
Nobody else could get open on their own. Maybe Gavin
Simpson still hit threes at a better rate than several players.
Simpson one of best foul shooters in league.
Simpson only attempted two FT in the last seven games where he averaged 24+ minutes per game. It's not much of a plus in his game if he never gets to the line.
Oddity to me - Gavin and Simpson ended up with virtually identical 3Pt% of .282 (Simpson .28169, Griffiths .28182).
I agree with what FIG said above - if Davis and Griffiths are back and struggle next year, they will get ripped too. But we don't have to be mean spirited about it.
He still got to the line 81 times. That’s not a small sample size.
I think part of problem and granted a small part of the problem as no excuse for many missed layups but still RU got beat up a lot going to the basket and never seemed to get the calls. Pike has to work refs better.
I think part of problem and granted a small part of the problem as no excuse for many missed layups but still RU got beat up a lot going to the basket and never seemed to get the calls. Pike has to work refs better.
He gets the most criticism because he was essentially the no. 1 scoring option this year. Hyatt stepped up at times but when he was sulking Simpson stepped up. Really not fair to him because he isn't the type of player that can handle that roll on a team that wants to play the way Rutgers wants to play. But he's the one that took the shots so that's why he gets the criticism. Gavin and jmike did not take as many shots. Later in the year Gavin began to get more minutes and more shots but he actually made a good amount of them. And Gavin's shot looks good with unlimited range. Simpsons shooting form has looked shaky from last year. Id also push back on him having "the best handle on the team" his ball handling and decision making has been shaky at best. Jwill is best ball handler. As you said Simpson has done a lot of nice things but if you bring in a transfer guard, jwill, Dylan, jmike that's 5 guards. With the way things are I wouldn't push him out but idk how he gets minutes in that scenario.
I got real upset with the 15-62 from 2s. He kept taking the same shots over and over and missed.
His ability to create his own shot is worthless if he can't make them.
I am extremely confident if he gets a fresh start one level below major conference he will be successful.
It's not the refs. It's the players. The term layup is overused here so that it suggests an easy lay-in either off the backboard or directly into the basket. But that's not what this team misses. It's contested shots near the basket. And shots near the basket are often contested. You need to be talented and skilled to hit those shots, and our players are not talented or skilled enough. You can often just see when our players are driving the lane and defenders are present that they won't convert. It's not that they can't lay it in. It's that they can't beat the defenders.
RU players don't have some sort of odd defect that stops them from converting near the basket. It's simple. They don't have the skills or talent to score. Near the basket and under pressure, mid-range, free-throw line, three-point range. All of it.
Shouldn't a recruit the level of Gavin been a year ahead of Simpson in development? One everyone wants gone and the other is on the list of three people want back.
Gavin's last 12 games of the year, not much better.
7 of 28 from 2
13-45 from 3
20 -73 overall
Over those last 12 (JWill a common denominator??)
Simpson 28.2% overall, Gavin 27.4% overall
Simpson 25% from 2, Gavin 28.2%
Simpson 28% from 3, Gavin 29%
Simpson 100% from line (13), Gavin 77.8% (7-9)
Simpson 33 rebounds, Gavin 32
Simpson 32 assists, Gavin 11
Simpson 20 steals, Gavin 3
Simpson 0 blocks, Gavin 5
Simpson 12 to's, Gavin 5
Simpson 78 points, Gavin 60
Just responding to your no one is that bad. Gavin was just that bad also. We agree on much else
Gavin was missing rushed shots 6 feet beyond the 3 point line. Derek misses pull up 15 footers 75% of the time.
Pike hit back to back home runs with tweener guards in geo and Jacob young. Unfortunately, I’m not sure that is a recipe for long term success. We were ruderless without a true PG this season.
Nothing we have seen that says JWilliams is a good ball handler. Some nice alley lobs to Cliff I’ll give you that but ball handling skills have been suspect and not as good as Derek.
