THE OFFICIAL 2024-2025 NET RANKINGS THREAD

[fluoxetine]

Columbia has basically a zero resume.. a decent win, a fairly bad loss, and 9 games of nothing but that at least don't include any losses.

It is significantly better than Princeton's resume because Princeton has a negative resume.. 3 quad 3 losses already and have not even played a Q1 game. Neither is a serious at large candidate but Columbia at least has a loss or two to give in theory.. in the strange world where Columbia blitzes through the Ivy League at 13-1 or 12-2 and beats Rutgers they would probably be in the conversation for a bid.. whereas Princeton would need to literally win out until the Ivy final to even sniff the bubble.

 

[fluoxetine]

And yes, Princeton is a better team.

 

[bac2therac]

Rutgers holding at 91

Columbia dips to 104

Maryland is still the top ranked Big 10 school but their unimpressive performance vs awful Maryland Eastern Shore 81-65 caused a dip from 7 to 10.

UCLA rose 6 spots to 15 by knocking off Gonzaga

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Columbia has basically a zero resume.. a decent win, a fairly bad loss, and 9 games of nothing but that at least don't include any losses.

It is significantly better than Princeton's resume because Princeton has a negative resume.. 3 quad 3 losses already and have not even played a Q1 game. Neither is a serious at large candidate but Columbia at least has a loss or two to give in theory.. in the strange world where Columbia blitzes through the Ivy League at 13-1 or 12-2 and beats Rutgers they would probably be in the conversation for a bid.. whereas Princeton would need to literally win out until the Ivy final to even sniff the bubble.

Plus the scenerio presented assumed Columbia beats us and added that win to their resume (i.e. I said they are playing us for the right to control their own destiny through league play - we are their last OOC game). A road win over us would give them a pair of Q1 and Q2 wins along and only 1 loss which currently isn’t even Q4.

I actually don’t think they are going to beat us by the way. I do think they have less talent than Princeton and they have to play us in Piscataway. The point I was making is that if they did win and then hypothetically Princeton and Columbia both run through their Ivy schedule and split with eachother - Columbia would have a very good chance at At large with 28-3 with 2 true road wins over P5 teams while Princeton would have no chance whatsoever with 6 losses and only a neutral win over us.

 

[Ridge 22]

Columbia isn’t going 28-3.. their schedule is extremely weak so far

So has ours

 

[fluoxetine]

So has ours

Our current SOS (Kenpom) is #60. Columbia’s is #364. There are 364 teams.

 

[Ridge 22]

Our current SOS (Kenpom) is #60. Columbia’s is #364. There are 364 teams.

Columbia sucks and shouldn't even be in the same conversation as us. The fact they are shows how much we are underachieving giving inflated expectations. We have been awful against a soft schedule. Make any excuses you want and keep moving goalposts. Now it's not the tournament it's beating Columbia.

 

[fluoxetine]

Columbia sucks and shouldn't even be in the same conversation as us. The fact they are shows how much we are underachieving giving inflated expectations. We have been awful against a soft schedule. Make any excuses you want and keep moving goalposts. Now it's not the tournament it's beating Columbia.

What in the world are you talking about? The only sense in which Columbia is “in the same conversation” is because we are about to play them.

 

[Ridge 22]

What in the world are you talking about? The only sense in which Columbia is “in the same conversation” is because we are about to play them.

And maybe lose

 

[Treaster51]

So has ours

lol not even a close comparison. Columbia schedule has been very bad .

 

[goru7]

Plus the scenerio presented assumed Columbia beats us and added that win to their resume (i.e. I said they are playing us for the right to control their own destiny through league play - we are their last OOC game). A road win over us would give them a pair of Q1 and Q2 wins along and only 1 loss which currently isn’t even Q4.

I actually don’t think they are going to beat us by the way. I do think they have less talent than Princeton and they have to play us in Piscataway. The point I was making is that if they did win and then hypothetically Princeton and Columbia both run through their Ivy schedule and split with eachother - Columbia would have a very good chance at At large with 28-3 with 2 true road wins over P5 teams while Princeton would have no chance whatsoever with 6 losses and only a neutral win over us.

Listen I realize you are trying to make a hypothetical case but again stating things like Columbia can get to 28-3 is again delusional. The IVY has 4-5 good teams. I believe Princeton is the superior team in that conference and they will be lucky to only have 2 losses in conference. Columbia will likely have 4-5 losses. Columbia SOS is a non starter. They will struggle to stay in the 100 neighborhood in the NET . Princeton will continue to rise and likely end in 60-75 territory. Princeton at the end of the year will not be a bad loss only a tough loss . The Kennesaw State loss is making about a 20 place drop and the lack of blowouts accounts for the rest. We have a ton of Quad 1 and 2’s coming.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Plus the scenerio presented assumed Columbia beats us and added that win to their resume (i.e. I said they are playing us for the right to control their own destiny through league play - we are their last OOC game). A road win over us would give them a pair of Q1 and Q2 wins along and only 1 loss which currently isn’t even Q4.

I actually don’t think they are going to beat us by the way. I do think they have less talent than Princeton and they have to play us in Piscataway. The point I was making is that if they did win and then hypothetically Princeton and Columbia both run through their Ivy schedule and split with eachother - Columbia would have a very good chance at At large with 28-3 with 2 true road wins over P5 teams while Princeton would have no chance whatsoever with 6 losses and only a neutral win over us.

Ivy League is decent enough where it is tough to do better than 12-2. In fact it is more likely Columbia goes 8-6 ish

 

[bac2therac]

Listen I realize you are trying to make a hypothetical case but again stating things like Columbia can get to 28-3 is again delusional. The IVY has 4-5 good teams. I believe Princeton is the superior team in that conference and they will be lucky to only have 2 losses in conference. Columbia will likely have 4-5 losses. Columbia SOS is a non starter. They will struggle to stay in the 100 neighborhood in the NET . Princeton will continue to rise and likely end in 60-75 territory. Princeton at the end of the year will not be a bad loss only a tough loss . The Kennesaw State loss is making about a 20 place drop and the lack of blowouts accounts for the rest. We have a ton of Quad 1 and 2’s coming.

this is so hypothetical, there is nothing to suggest Princeton rising to 60-75..we have last year as evidence....Princeton has 3 Quad 3 losses...they are not even a bubble team in any stratsophere

 

[Zak57]

Up to 82 after the victory last night.

 

[goru7]

Up to 82 after the victory last night.

We were the biggest mover of the top 100 up 9 , Nebraska up 8 and McNeese up 8. Blowing out teams moves you up and doing so efficiently moves you up more. Iowa won by 50 last night but must not have been efficient or played a 300+ team because they only moved 1 from 50 to 49. Columbia was 104 and dropped to 123 . Nebraska best Southern who was 224 and dropped to 247.
Don’t think we have to have any more thoughts of Columbia being a contender after last night.

 

[bac2therac]

Up to 82 after the victory last night.

pretty good movement in an area of the NET where you can pick up ground with an explosive type win. Winning big matters especially when you do it to a school who was only 13 spots behind them in the NET. Good Q3 win and yes Q3 wins matter.

Rutgers is still 15th rated out of the 18 Big 10 schools...the good news is Indiana is their next opponent and is 14 so big opportunity in what is likely RU's 2nd "easiest" Big 10 road game of the year

9. Illinois
10. Oregon
13. Maryland
14. UCLA
16. Michigan
23. Ohio State
25. Michigan State
32. Penn State
34. Wisconsin
37. Purdue
38. Nebraska
47. Northwestern
49. Iowa
65. Indiana
82. Rutgers
93. USC
108. Washington
153. Minnesota

 

[RUJMM78]

With so many league teams ahead of Rutgers in NET ranking, how many teams will receive a NCAA bid ?

 

[kt124]

With so many league teams ahead of Rutgers in NET ranking, how many teams will receive a NCAA bid ?

I expect the B1G to get 9 or 10 teams in

 

[bac2therac]

right now I would have 9 in with Penn State/Nebby right along the cut line but still out at this point and Iowa and Northwestern further back.

In the end likely 9 or 10 but could see as few as 8 or as many as 11.

 

[biazza38]

pretty good movement in an area of the NET where you can pick up ground with an explosive type win. Winning big matters especially when you do it to a school who was only 13 spots behind them in the NET. Good Q3 win and yes Q3 wins matter.

Rutgers is still 15th rated out of the 18 Big 10 schools...the good news is Indiana is their next opponent and is 14 so big opportunity in what is likely RU's 2nd "easiest" Big 10 road game of the year

9. Illinois
10. Oregon
13. Maryland
14. UCLA
16. Michigan
23. Ohio State
25. Michigan State
32. Penn State
34. Wisconsin
37. Purdue
38. Nebraska
47. Northwestern
49. Iowa
65. Indiana
82. Rutgers
93. USC
108. Washington
153. Minnesota

Thoughts on the Indiana game? I noticed they have some pretty good size in the paint. How do we matchup? Only game I saw of theirs this year was Louisville

 

[Bigs Hanter]

We were the biggest mover of the top 100 up 9 , Nebraska up 8 and McNeese up 8. Blowing out teams moves you up and doing so efficiently moves you up more. Iowa won by 50 last night but must not have been efficient or played a 300+ team because they only moved 1 from 50 to 49. Columbia was 104 and dropped to 123 . Nebraska best Southern who was 224 and dropped to 247.
Don’t think we have to have any more thoughts of Columbia being a contender after last night.

I don't think it's possible to win by 50 inefficiently. The issue was they played one of the bottom 10 teams in all of D1, so they were expected to win by 50 and doing so does not move the needle at all.

 

[RUChoppin]

RU is now #82
Q1: 0-3 / Q2: 2-0 / Q3: 1-2 / Q4: 5-0

Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
8 - (N)Alabama (L)
20 - (N)Texas A&M (L)
23 - @OSU (L)

Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
32 - PSU (W)
92 - (N)Notre Dame (W)

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
115 - (N)Princeton (L)
123 - Columbia (W)
193 - @Kennesaw St (L)

Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
176 - SHU (W)
184 - Merrimack (W)
198 - St. Peters (W)
278 - Monmouth (W)
314 - Wagner (W)

Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
9 - Illinois
10 - @Oregon
13 - @Maryland
14 - UCLA
16 - @Michigan
16 - Michigan
25 - (N)MSU
32 - @PSU
37 - @Purdue
47 - @Northwestern
65 - @Indiana

Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
34 - Wisconsin
37 - Purdue
38 - Nebraska
49 - Iowa
108 - @Washington

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
93 - USC
153 - Minnesota

Notes:
- PSU is on the edge of Q1
- Princeton's Caden Pierce left the game with an injured ankle, which may darken their prospects of reaching Q2
- 11 upcoming Q1 games, but only 3 are at home

 

[RAC93]

Definitely have to win some games on the road this year with where they are right now. No better time than now against Indiana as they are not a powerhouse, not an easy win but this team has to get road wins from somewhere so may as well be now. Saw Indiana play Winthrop at home last game and it was a very unimpressive performance. But we have had very unimpressive performances as well ourselves. Hate to call it a big game, but it kind of is a big game. It’s a winnable road game, which we need, and it’s technically Q1 (could become Q2, who knows). RU actually looked like a complete team who played a complete game yesterday for the first time this year. Now the question becomes can they do that on the road against better quality opponents. Maybe something has clicked with this team, maybe not, we shall see, but this is a winnable road game. But then again I thought OSU was a winnable road game.

 

[BillyC80]

right now I would have 9 in with Penn State/Nebby right along the cut line but still out at this point and Iowa and Northwestern further back.

In the end likely 9 or 10 but could see as few as 8 or as many as 11.

If the season ended now, I’m guessing we’d get 11 teams in (NET of 38 or better) with one of those being an auto-bid. Likely we’ll get fewer than 11 though, since those teams will just beat up on each other in conference play.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

We were the biggest mover of the top 100 up 9 , Nebraska up 8 and McNeese up 8. Blowing out teams moves you up and doing so efficiently moves you up more. Iowa won by 50 last night but must not have been efficient or played a 300+ team because they only moved 1 from 50 to 49. Columbia was 104 and dropped to 123 . Nebraska best Southern who was 224 and dropped to 247.
Don’t think we have to have any more thoughts of Columbia being a contender after last night.

Nobody said they were a contender for anything. You kept turning it into that when all that was said was that their resume is better than Princeton's which it still is at the moment. The game itself was a computer boosting gift wrapped package to Pike. I’m sure we didn’t pay for a home game vs a 10-1 team that beat Nova on the road. Columbia had a losing record last year. Winning big against them was a huge boost to NET.

 

[RUskoolie]

Help me understand the NET as a newbie. So when you play, if you are both teams are ranked closely and you beat the team soundly you leap frog up more than if you just win?

Or if we are ranked 82 and beat a 25 I presume that pushes us up a lot...but then as teams W/L each week their ranking changes and so the weighted average changes? Is that the jist?

 

[bac2therac]

Help me understand the NET as a newbie. So when you play, if you are both teams are ranked closely and you beat the team soundly you leap frog up more than if you just win?

Or if we are ranked 82 and beat a 25 I presume that pushes us up a lot...but then as teams W/L each week their ranking changes and so the weighted average changes? Is that the jist?

Yes its always changing....efficiency is sometimes more important than the win itself

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Help me understand the NET as a newbie. So when you play, if you are both teams are ranked closely and you beat the team soundly you leap frog up more than if you just win?

Or if we are ranked 82 and beat a 25 I presume that pushes us up a lot...but then as teams W/L each week their ranking changes and so the weighted average changes? Is that the jist?

The NCAA isn’t fully transparent about the exact details in the NET formula but as a general rule not all wins count the same. MOV matters relative to who you play. If you play a terrible team your expected to destroy them and if you don’t, your numbers take a hit. When you play midmajors that are better than average winning by a lot can help your NET.

 

[bac2therac]

NET dropped to 85 for January 1

 

[bac2therac]

Rutgers NET inches up to 84

Notre Dame drops to 101 and is now Quad 3

Indiana at 67 is a Quad 1 game...for now

Wisconsin is up to 31..on the cusp of moving to a Quad 1 game

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

NET dropped to 85 for January 1

It seems to me, somehow we managed to do well enough OOC for NET not to be a likely road block for us en route to an NCAA bid. It doesn’t matter who we beat, we’re not making the tournament this year with 15 losses. Not even a small chance.

It’s not very likely we’d get in with 14 losses on Selection day either, but regardless, you have to figure 10-8 the rest of the way would almost certainly propel us into acceptable NET range - 60s at worst? Only 3 of the remaining games are against teams outside of the NET top 70. We have 6 games against the top 15. NET wouldn’t be the reason preventing us from getting a bid.

 

[RUChoppin]

It seems to me, somehow we managed to do well enough OOC for NET not to be a likely road block for us en route to an NCAA bid. It doesn’t matter who we beat, we’re not making the tournament this year with 15 losses. Not even a small chance.

It’s not very likely we’d get in with 14 losses on Selection day either, but regardless, you have to figure 10-8 the rest of the way would almost certainly propel us into acceptable NET range - 60s at worst? Only 3 of the remaining games are against teams outside of the NET top 70. We have 6 games against the top 15. NET wouldn’t be the reason preventing us from getting a bid.

Except selection isn't based on NET, it's just a guidepost. You can get in with a NET of 80 if you have a strong resume (Rutgers 2022)... you can get left out with a NET of 40 (Rutgers 2023). Right now we don't have a strong resume.

 

[RUChoppin]

I also have a feeling there are going to be some B1G/SEC/ACC snubs this year, as the committee will not want to dominate the field with teams from 3 super-conferences (52 teams). I'm guessing there will be at least 1-2 strange at-large bids from smaller conferences rather than giving an 11th or 12th bid to one of those three.

@bac2therac - any thoughts on how the consolidation of conferences might impact selection this year? Any conversation you've seen about this elsewhere?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Except selection isn't based on NET, it's just a guidepost. You can get in with a NET of 80 if you have a strong resume (Rutgers 2022)... you can get left out with a NET of 40 (Rutgers 2023). Right now we don't have a strong resume.

I wasn’t trying to say it was. I was more thinking in terms of how the year we had that Lafayette loss, our NET was a huge obstacle. This year, it looks like it won’t matter at all. If we’re good enough to be in the conversation the math will basically just blend in. We’ll have acceptable numbers that aren’t outliers in either direction.

 

[RUChoppin]

I wasn’t trying to say it was. I was more thinking in terms of how the year we had that Lafayette loss, our NET was a huge obstacle. This year, it looks like it won’t matter at all. If we’re good enough to be in the conversation the math will basically just blend in. We’ll have acceptable numbers that aren’t outliers in either direction.

Yes, we also had a 7-7 Q1 record (4-4 vs. Q1-I and 3-3 vs Q1-II)

We currently stand at 0-3 in Q1 with 11 Q1 games left and only 3 of those at home. To match our 2022 record, we'd need to go 7-4 against Q1... which means at least 4 Q1 wins away from the RAC. While also not stumbling in the 7 other Q2/Q3 games.

Very tall order at this point. Next 4 games will be key.

 

[rutgershoopsinsider]

Thoughts on the Indiana game? I noticed they have some pretty good size in the paint. How do we matchup? Only game I saw of theirs this year was Louisville

Gonna be a problem for Ogbole and Sommerville unless Rutgers can find a way to front them and prevent them to get entry passes down low. Also, need Rutgers to make the correct reads on when to provide help defense. If they can double Reneau and Ballo, they can force turnovers.

 

[bac2therac]

I also have a feeling there are going to be some B1G/SEC/ACC snubs this year, as the committee will not want to dominate the field with teams from 3 super-conferences (52 teams). I'm guessing there will be at least 1-2 strange at-large bids from smaller conferences rather than giving an 11th or 12th bid to one of those three.

@bac2therac - any thoughts on how the consolidation of conferences might impact selection this year? Any conversation you've seen about this elsewhere?

i have not done any bracketology yet besides looking at schools who are competing and who are likely out already. Right now the SEC has all 16 schools in the net top 100, Big 10 16 of 18 and Big 12 14 of 16. The ACCs 18 school league looks the odd man out right now. The Big East may have 9 of 10 in top 100 but it appears like its a 4 bid league. The Mountain West is not nearly as potent.

I think we are going to see the SEC set a new record this year with perhaps as many as 12 bids. I really dont see any low major or even mid major of significance right now beyond maybe 2 total from A10 and 2 from WCC. I see a major consolidation of power right now like we have never witnessed before

 

[bac2therac]

It seems to me, somehow we managed to do well enough OOC for NET not to be a likely road block for us en route to an NCAA bid. It doesn’t matter who we beat, we’re not making the tournament this year with 15 losses. Not even a small chance.

It’s not very likely we’d get in with 14 losses on Selection day either, but regardless, you have to figure 10-8 the rest of the way would almost certainly propel us into acceptable NET range - 60s at worst? Only 3 of the remaining games are against teams outside of the NET top 70. We have 6 games against the top 15. NET wouldn’t be the reason preventing us from getting a bid.

the issue is no wins ooc and not enough Q/1/2 wins of high quality...we may gather Q2 wins but so will the entire country in major conference action

 

[RUChoppin]

i have not done any bracketology yet besides looking at schools who are competing and who are likely out already. Right now the SEC has all 16 schools in the net top 100, Big 10 16 of 18 and Big 12 14 of 16. The ACCs 18 school league looks the odd man out right now. The Big East may have 9 of 10 in top 100 but it appears like its a 4 bid league. The Mountain West is not nearly as potent.

I think we are going to see the SEC set a new record this year with perhaps as many as 12 bids. I really dont see any low major or even mid major of significance right now beyond maybe 2 total from A10 and 2 from WCC. I see a major consolidation of power right now like we have never witnessed before

Forgot about the B12 having 16, too.

The question is whether you feel the committee will put some artificial cap on major conference teams to prevent the at-larges from being dominated by those 4 conferences?

There are 66 teams from those 4 conferences. Just looking at the Top 50 in NET, there are 14 from SEC, 13 from B1G, 9 from B12, 6 from ACC.... that's 42 of the top 50 NET teams. With only 4 conference champions, that's 38 potential at-large teams from those conferences in the NET top 50 for only 36 at-large bids.... and that's not considering any possible multi-bid mid-major conferences (only the Big East (3) and MWC (2) have multiple teams in the NET Top 50).

My guess is the BE/WCC/MWC/A10 will win a couple of extra bids with lower NET and arguably worse resume over some major conference teams just to make sure the tournament doesn't become 4 multi-bid conferences and 28 single-bid conferences.

Edit: I wonder if they will place more value on OOC record to give schools outside the "Big 4" an advantage, and to differentiate between "Big 4" schools in that 8th-12th range in each conference. If so, that's not good for us.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

the issue is no wins ooc and not enough Q/1/2 wins of high quality...we may gather Q2 wins but so will the entire country in major conference action

Things can change, but at the moment we don’t play all that many more Q2 games and a good number of them are at home against contenders and could possibly move to Q1 (Wisconsin and Purdue). Besides those two there’s Iowa at home and @ Washington (I agree those two games along with the two Q3 games aren’t resume builders). For now, the other 13 games are Q1.