The shine is off Coach Schiano
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Agree with all that.
Thing about GS and NIL is, I'm not sure any other coach I can think of would result in more NIL funding for RUFB. I think there are plenty of coaches out there who are better x's and o's guys. But GS is an excellent salesman with a lot of charisma. I think the NIL situation is more about RUFB's lack of a long-established big time winning football culture than anything else.
Build up a winning program and generate a culture of excitement around football that persists for a decade, and then we'll see more graduates who make big money after graduation kicking some of that back into the football program. But right now, today, the RU students who graduated and are now in a position of earning lots of money ($1M+ per year) were here during the Flood/Ash years and most probably never GAF about football.
There's no quick and easy solution for RU here. I actually think GS is doing a pretty good job at what can be done. The one glaring issue is the offense has not improved. IMO, figure that out, win more games, and then RUFB will be in a much better place than today.
Signed: Captain Obvious.
RU will never be a top tier BigTen team with GS still controlling game day situations (the Wisconsin game would not have mattered). If he let other coaches control the game day decisions and he stuck to recruiting and all the back-office stuff needed to be a success RU would have a chance. He wasn't a good game day coach the first time around and he still isn't. He is an expert organizer which can only get you so far.
These days, I think once the game starts, the coordinators run their show, schematically, with little interference from GS. One of the things I think GS improved about his coaching since his first stint was getting better at delegation.
Also, to be blunt, I think Harasymiak is better at his job than Ciarrocca is at his. Although perhaps recruiting on D has gone better than on O and that's the biggest difference, I have no good way of knowing for sure.
GS obviously, like any HC, sets the philosophy to use for the season and approves game day planning by the coordinators. And he sure does seem to yell at his coordinators from time to time during games, presumably when something isn't working right. I think he picked that up from working for Meyer, an instant accountability thing. 🙂
Complete Nonsense. We build a Fieldhouse and Support NIL and we will be a top tier Big Ten Team. Schiano knows how to identify talent, he just doesn't have the support to land it. His first choices in recruiting are mostly picked off by better regarded schools. He lands enough talent, and it won't matter how good his gameday coaching is. Miami won a National Championship with Larry Coker as coach.
Our Location is Excellent. Our Quality Education is Excellent. Lack fan support and resources. Fix these, and we will be as good as anyone. Look at Oregon. You couldn't pay me to go there. But they have Phil Knight to write big checks. We have fans who love to run their big mouths.
Harasymiak has talent. Ciarrocca has talent which has to be developed. Big difference, and puts the offense at a huge disadvantage. The defense was built first, as all the best players went to the defense. Now we're building the offense, which is a work in progress.
Well, the progress on offense has been painfully slow. Might've even gone backwards from last season.
I wonder if KC, when considering how to approach the season, spent much time doing contingency analysis and planning. Or if he just figured the OL would be better and planned around that assumption. It's now too late to change tack, and the OL is underperforming, which is putting more pressure on the rest of the offense than they can overcome.
I know nothing about coaching football. But, logically speaking, if I had to figure out the approach to the upcoming season, I would not base my entire offense on the assumption that the O line would be able to overpower most Big Ten D lines. Even if I thought that likely, I would've built in and installed some contingencies, in case the OL underperforms, that could be reasonably implemented mid-season.
I'm talking about a potential pivot that's worked out ahead of the season, designed to be easily adapted to by the players and designed to build on all the reps they've done and film they've seen in earlier practices and games. And I'd dedicate a very small portion of every practice to keeping that slightly different approach alive in the player's heads.
It looks a lot like KC put all his eggs into one basket and didn't do that kind of contingency planning. Which means we're stuck with a non-working approach for the entire season.
People might say it's GS who dictates how the O plays. But (a) it's not GS who designs the plays, and (b) part of being a good coordinator is being able to sell the boss on stuff the boss might not initially understand or like. GS for all his flaws is a very intelligent guy. And a very cautious guy.
In my experience, people who are both highly intelligent and very cautious are not very difficult to persuade to allocate some resources on contingency planning and preparation.
off course they did contingency planning and preparation. A lot of the summer is spent game planning and preparation. Gameweek, they refine on what was previously planned.
But didn't bother doing so for a 1% edge case,which had very little chance of happening. Well lightening struck, and here we are. you would have to go back to the Terry Shea years to find similar loss of starting personnel. Thankfully, we do have backup talent, but they are acclimating to their starting roles, which isn't easy. Taj White showed significant improvement from the Nebraska game to the Wisconsin game. He should be find going forward. The other kids will hopefully show similar improvement. Kids are just going to have to take their lumps, and hopefully we'll be better for it.
I wouldn't say losing 1 OL and eventually a backup RB as a historic 1% edge case lightning strike type of situation.
People keep conflating the defensive injuries with the offensive output.
We're talking about the whole team because injuries affect the whole team as they inhibit our chances of winning.
It was never a 1% edge case that the OL would underperform. No coach ever really knows for sure how well their team will do until they start playing good competitors. Once we got to Nebraska and Wisconsin, we found out. There should be a contingency, a pivot, where the offensive approach stops relying on the OL to be good enough to play the style we've played so far this season.
I don't mean a wholesale different approach. That would be next to impossible to do. But it's pretty obvious that our OL will not be able to run block or pass block well enough, running the same exact plays, against teams with DLs that are performing at a level matching Nebraska and Wisconsin.
Again, I'm not a football coach. So I don't know what kind of pivot is possible. But if I were a football coach, and was the OC for RU, I would know. And I would implement that pivot this week because the games aren't going to get any easier than UCLA, so get some experience with the changes this week, get some mistakes on film and figure it out for the rest of the season.
You say "of course there's a contingency". But if we see the exact same plays this week, even if they work better, then I think it likely that there is no contingency. And to me, that's a failure by the OC and the HC.
I'm talking about the offense. The offense is terrible so far this year, discounting the cupcakes.
The defense has a legitimate excuse due to the sheer number of experienced leaders who are injured and either out for the season or out for some games or playing hurt.
The offense has no such legitimate excuse.
RU wins by 2 or more scores: ledge abandoned…for now
RU barely wins or gets lucky to win: reluctant happiness, still on the ledge
RU barely loses or is unlucky and loses: despair…clinging to hope…barely…
RU loses by several scores or is a Wisc like loss…
RU barely wins or gets lucky to win: reluctant happiness, still on the ledge
RU barely loses or is unlucky and loses: despair…clinging to hope…barely…
RU loses by several scores or is a Wisc like loss…
Does that mean the problem has been exaggerated and we'll be okay the rest of teh way, maybe splitting the remaining games?
I know what a loss to UCLA will mean.. I do not know what a win, as you described, would mean to teh big picture.
Perhaps it will be more a case of HOW we win.. what changes and adjustments have been made.. will it appear we made smart moves or just got lucky that the same old plan worked vs UCLA?
UCLA has actually played pretty tough against good team. PSU and Oregon being just 3 scores- and LSU not bad.
We are not Oregon or PSU - so, if we win by 2 scores, then we are on track as compared to a couple of elites.
We win 27-14 and a fairly "relaxed" type of win- then I am very happy 27-20, maybe, not so much.
Anything more or less- either has me very happy or very :(
Unless something unimaginable happens during practice this week, I don't see a 2 score win. I'm going to the game and simply hoping we get out with a win...somehow!
What you are not understanding is that it’s not the alignment, it’s the alignees. It doesn’t matter what play is called if the line can’t block or the receivers can’t catch. There are very limited plays that can be successful without effective OL blocking, and I’m not sure our offense can successfully run them. The OL did not let up any sacks, so their blocking was good enough for pass plays.
The coaches choose the plays based on what they feel the players can execute and can be successful against the called defense.
It was the 1% edge case that we would suffer 7 significant injuries. 8 if Dixon is unable to go. This is unprecedented since 2001, and just our bad luck.
It's a little hard to believe that the starters on offense are more talented that OSU and USC and ND. Most talented offense ever at Rutgers.
But then 1 backup OL has to go in and the entire offense falls apart and it's a huge talent issue where we can't run block or catch passes.
But then 1 backup OL has to go in and the entire offense falls apart and it's a huge talent issue where we can't run block or catch passes.
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So you think our defense is built?
Didn’t you just say our defensive depth is an issue?
The defense doesn’t have a talent issue, it has an experience issue. The kids are acclimating to this level of play, and they are making mistakes, which they are working through. Most of the kids they replaced had five years of development. So we won’t be able to replace that level of proficiency right away.
Your ability to contradict yourself is UNMATCHED on this site. 🤭
So we haven’t built a defense yet..is what I’m saying.
If we’ve built a defense,..we wouldn’t have a depth issue
We’ve built the defense, but our 2nd string doesn’t play with the same efficiency as the first. Think about your first day of work. Were you as efficient as you are today? Of course not, because you went through a learning curve. Our kids are doing the same. They are making mistakes, which are most pronounced in our LB Corp, in particular. On Sundays they’ll review the film with their coaches, and work to correct the mistakes they made, the rest of the week in practice. There isn’t a college football team out there, that can play five 2nd stringers, and not suffer a loss of productivity.
This Saturday, we should play much better, because UCLA lacks talent. But next week against USC, will be very challenging.
i agree.
I feel kinda bad.
I'll think about letting you win an argument and not embarassing you so badly.
But it's pretty fun pointing out your love for coaches that blown out so often.
This is actually the opposite now.
You make a pretty good argument that we won't actually need HC Schiano.
If the school itself has all this value and resources (NIL, Indoor Facility) that it recruits itself like a PSU or OSU then ultimately the differentiator will be gameday coaching.
And as you say, he's not a good gameday coach.
See all the schools with elite recruiting classes that flame out. It's because at that level, coaching is the difference.
Why hasn't ND won anything? Because it's coaching.
You cited a team from over 20 years ago.
No you can’t make an argument that we don’t need coach Schiano, because no one can recruit to Rutgers like he can. He’s got recruiting down to a science, and recruiting to Rutgers has never been done more efficiently. You can give a school all the resources it needs, but it takes a coach to well the vision to Prospective recruits.
Penn State and Ohio State have all the resources they need, but they still have James Franklin and Ryan Day to sell the vision.
Schiano can sell, but he needs more support to land his first choice recruits, such as NIL and the Fieldhouse.
There haven’t been any issues with his game day coaching. The issues have come about due to lack of depth, which can be mitigated by better recruiting. The kids are doing their best to acclimate to this level of play.
No need to feel bad. It’s only a discussion about sports, on a message board. Pretty meaningless.
Good chat
Our coaches know what an offense, is, they just don’t have the personnel to run it. We got a transfer from Minnesota. Miami paid $2M to get the best quarterback money could buy. Miami is undefeated. We’re hoping to make a bowl game. Had we paid up for Cam Ward, no one here would be wondering whether our coaches know what an offense is.
100 people writing a check for $20K = $2M
Schiano ****ing sucks. I’ve never seen a guy in any profession make this much money for doing such a bad job.
1.0, Tampa, 2.0. How the **** is this guy still employed beyond a position coach. He sucked at OSU too, OSU fans HATED him.
1.0, Tampa, 2.0. How the **** is this guy still employed beyond a position coach. He sucked at OSU too, OSU fans HATED him.
It’s insane. RU fans worship him due to one single night in November in 2006. Only thing he’s done in his career.
As soon as boosters forced Hobbs to rehire him 5 years ago I knew we were screwed
I haven't exactly seen Chip Kelly at RU. 2M for better players would only result in squandered talent with this OC.
The guy is a genius at making money, I’ll give him that. And if he stayed at RU during 1.0 he may have even developed a nice record over time. But he chose to get paid, and he hasn’t stopped getting paid since.
