Well, that's a lie that is easily exposed once people start getting hurt and missing games.
The shine is off Coach Schiano
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Positives--Good recruiter, motivator, runs a clean program, cares about his players.
Negatives--Rock head, limited, terrible game day coach.
Negatives--Rock head, limited, terrible game day coach.
Put it on ignore and not be bothered with what it posts.
If it is an attention seeking butthead, you are giving it what it wants by posting what you think about it.
As for Schiano, he's not a top tier College HC, but is one that can build a pretty good program that a top coaching talent can bring to the elite level .
The NIL game of buying players might keep even the top tier HCs from doing much better than Greg is doing now.
We hit rock bottom. GS has totally upgraded the program. Will we beat OSU, Mich, PSU, Oregon? Not likely in our lifetime. Getting to mid B1G is a huge improvement. Bowl games. Winning. Not many coaches can do that at RU.
I cannot differentiate links from normal text in dark mode... or light mode for all I know. Rivals used to make links clearly visible.. I tend to bold, underline and even color text that is a link for that reason. I have no idea if others have this same issue.
How could you not watch that at teh 5:10 mark you mentioned and not understand what he is saying? He is very clear.. Paul Revere alerted everyone to teh most important thing.. rallied them.. Schiano is saying he wants everyone to reinforce that which the coach says is the most important thing.. rally everyone to the coach's vision.
Is "Paul Revere" an elegant turn of phrase.. no. But in that context it is perfectly understandable.
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Got it. Thanks for defining the phrase as Greg uses it. Stumbled across that video when I was trying to figure out exactly what Greg meant by vertical integration.
Links show up in red on my browser. I regularly insert links into key phrases instead of cluttering up posts with long form web addresses. Do you know if links are difficult for most users to see? I post a lot of them.
As far as the OL is concerned, it seems to be a talent problem. Flaherty is a good coach, but this group may have hit their ceiling.
no.. I doubt it.. I think I have something set somewhere that just doesn't play nice.
Appears so. But aren’t these “Greg’s guys”? Isn’t he a savant recruiter? Hasn’t he had multiple years to develop them? Haven’t they been working with Jay Butler, “the best strength coach in America?”
Where’s the results? It’s year 5.
Just figured it out.. in user preferences I am set to Rivals Dark Mode.. which I find better on my eyes and easier on my phone battery.. in that mode the linked text does not show in red.. but switching back to teh default Rivals Light Mode.. links are red.
This may be compounded by my Google Chrome theme also being a dark mode theme. Whatever it is, I will have to suffer with no seeing links as links because I refuse to give up dark mode.
BTW.. it is not ALL LINKS.. just linked text posters put in messages. Like if you QUOTE a post in a replay.. the link to that post is automatically inserted and it does show in a different color/font letting you know it is a clickable link. So it is the style sheet for that dark mode not properly handling linked text in messages.
3 OL recruits that ended up medically retiring do to injuries 2 who were higher rated make it harder for depth to be closer to the level of starters
Fair, but Greg is a highly compensated chief executive. And those circumstances have affected other teams as well, maybe not in the same numbers but every school has highly rated recruits that don’t pan out. I expect more of him and so should all of us.
Due to being a senior laden team that had some success last year, and a seemingly favorable schedule, this was supposed to be “our year.” Clearly the expectations of 9-3 or 10-2 were unrealistic, but the way we’re looking now we might not get to 7 wins.
Huge disappointment.
Okay, some will not like this post. But it’s hard to sell RU, even in the B1G. RU is not a brand. It’s getting there, but it’s not a brand. Soon, maybe, but not yet. GS is trying to build a competitive program without a brand.
Needs 10 more for a solid OL, then 10 more after that for a QB who can be trusted to throw over the middle. Then just 5 more for a punt returner who’s allowed to return them. Program still reeling from Chris Ash….the bootlicking apologists would have you believe.
The way we've played in last 3 games (including Washington) combined with injuries, I'm trying to find two more wins on the schedule for bowl eligibility! Will be at game on Saturday and hope I'm wrong.
It looks like they missed on some of these players.
Because we are P5/4 school. And GS was only HC here at the college level in any case.
Who is more successful in a major conference? This season?
So that gives him a pass in the other 19 OL recruits he signed?
He's been a head coach for 2 decades, with 3/4 of that time spent here (really 80 %)
He is what he is
A great leader of men
Terrific recruiter
Tremendous D coordinator
Top notch at building programs and establishing culture
Head coach wise, he's solid, but nothing to write home about
Ceiling in the B1G with him is 8/9 wins, possibly 10 if everything shakes out perfect
I love the man
And we owe him a great debt of gratitude for what he's done On The Banks
But he'll never get us elite
And that's ok - not many coaches have the capability
He is what he is
A great leader of men
Terrific recruiter
Tremendous D coordinator
Top notch at building programs and establishing culture
Head coach wise, he's solid, but nothing to write home about
Ceiling in the B1G with him is 8/9 wins, possibly 10 if everything shakes out perfect
I love the man
And we owe him a great debt of gratitude for what he's done On The Banks
But he'll never get us elite
And that's ok - not many coaches have the capability
I don't think a coach alone can get us there.
I suspect that if we went out and hired a big name.. that big name coach would likely be looking at us like a stepping stone to get back to his level or as a last payday before retiring.
People keep mentioning Cignetti because he is the hot coach right now.. the latest Lance Leipold to throw out there. I think we should aim at that but with OC first. Find the best OC (that is really the OC and not just a guy with a title as someone else like the head coach is really teh OC) at a lower level and give him a shot here. Rinse/repeat. If he is bad then we have what have been living with for years now.
GS cannot create a good OC... not unless he completely changes. What I don't understand is why GS cannot scout his own team as if he were an opposing DC and find its weaknesses. It seems obvious, right, that a DC would see that plugging up the middle stops us cold. While GS cannot lead teh offense.. he can find its weaknesses and demand teh OC addresses them. GS should do that.. pronto! And if that is so obvious that, of course, he has already done that.. then why can't we fix it?
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there's a lot of room between 'average at best' and elite. that's all we ask for in a coach. 'above average'. he's not getting us there, and 5 years is plenty of time. sure, Leipold and Cignetti may rise and fall but at their peaks are clearly higher. Heck, Edsall's peak was higher. Everyone in the BE except maybe Leavitt accomplished more.
Negative two point zero gets all the excuses and escapes accountability from hundreds of suckers here.
Despite Greg’s efforts the OL recruiting has been real bad. Nowhere near even the bottom of B1G standards. Pat F. can only do so much with this group. The S&C Coach needs to go.
S&C ain't rocket science. The players just aren't good enough. The issue is recruiting. If the S&C coach somehow was critical to recruiting, then sure, get a new one. But he isn't.
now we’re only comparing this season?!? lol.
Again, you’re filtering things to fit your narrative. Much like you are accusing me of doing.
But to answer your question..this year both Deion and Greg are 4-2 so tough to tell. Lance and Kansas are having a tough year, for sure
Greg has a better overall record as a p5 coach..but both Deion and lance have better re it’s thru where they are as a power 5 coach than star Greg did at the same time. So I guess time will tell
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The SC has a massive role in winning. They can physically change good players into great ones.
I don't have an opinion on Butler but I guarantee you every great team has a great SC leader.
I don't have an opinion on Butler but I guarantee you every great team has a great SC leader.
Since you are a State Penn fan you might not realize that offensive linemen take time to gain the necessary strength & experience to keep the QB alive. Now go back to your showers!
5 years is a lot of time to develop an OL.
If it hasn't been done by now, well...
If it hasn't been done by now, well...
There was a post or two where folks listed recruiting as one of Greg's strengths but I just don't see the evidence. He has done an abysmal job with the the most important position on the field.
it's not the most important position to him. it's obviously not where he prioritizes NIL. he overallocated NIL on others to keep the team intact.
there were plenty of talented portal QBs he could have targeted, but instead brought in a Ciarrocca guy only to be a low NIL game manager.
It has to be a thought. He was the best QB in the admittedly overly-controlled spring game, as he has better speed/strength running the ball than AK and I think he is as good of a passer and maybe better, but on the flip side, lack of game experience might lead to more turnovers and GS hates those.
Unless he’s changed, Greg is way too stubborn to make a QB change in season
Saturday is a no-win situation.
Coming into the season it was widely regarded as the easiest conference game.
Win by 2 TDs? If we are a mid to upper-mid tier Big 10 team (as many indicated we are) than at some point winning our easiest conference shouldn't be a cause of celebration.
The reality seems to be we aren't close to actually being a mid to upper mid tier Big 10 team yet.
Other than Purdue, what teams are we clearly above?
If we're also clearly above UCLA, then a 2TD win should be somewhat expected.
Coming into the season it was widely regarded as the easiest conference game.
Win by 2 TDs? If we are a mid to upper-mid tier Big 10 team (as many indicated we are) than at some point winning our easiest conference shouldn't be a cause of celebration.
The reality seems to be we aren't close to actually being a mid to upper mid tier Big 10 team yet.
Other than Purdue, what teams are we clearly above?
If we're also clearly above UCLA, then a 2TD win should be somewhat expected.
only with a coach who emphasizes scoring would a 2 TD margin be expected. Without turnovers, negative two point zero teams can’t score that much since opponents will score too. Vegas will never have us a 2 TD favorite against an FBS team.
LSU/Oregon/PSU were all 3 scores and Minn was just 4 points.
I used 2 scores as a starting point as I am hearing how much we suck. :)
Well, he's better than Chris Ash or Kyle Flood, but those aren't big hurdles. Now for those who object to Flood being lumped with Ash, remember any accomplishments he achieved were done with Schiano's guys. His own recruiting was lackluster.
Twice now, Schiano has resurrected Rutgers from bottomless pit; the Shea and Ash era, the absolute worst eras in this programs' long history. That says something. Is he a great coach; probably not. He made a lot more sence pre-NIL. But he's probably above average and w/o him Rutgers doesn't have a seat at the big boys table. In the years to come you'll see a lot of changes in D1 sports, and being in the P2 is going to be significant.
No matter who is the coach, our future in D1 sports so much brighter than the Fruit, Pitt, BC, UCONN, Temple. And he's one of the guys responsible for that. Big changes coming, and I don't know how programs outside the P2 will pay for them.
Twice now, Schiano has resurrected Rutgers from bottomless pit; the Shea and Ash era, the absolute worst eras in this programs' long history. That says something. Is he a great coach; probably not. He made a lot more sence pre-NIL. But he's probably above average and w/o him Rutgers doesn't have a seat at the big boys table. In the years to come you'll see a lot of changes in D1 sports, and being in the P2 is going to be significant.
No matter who is the coach, our future in D1 sports so much brighter than the Fruit, Pitt, BC, UCONN, Temple. And he's one of the guys responsible for that. Big changes coming, and I don't know how programs outside the P2 will pay for them.
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