The team gave effort today

[MadRU]

got to give them credit, they have been playing hard and with heart, just too out manned and under sized.

Can we ever have two players hot for the same game? Corey carried us early, but Mike is off today.

 

[knights1212]

We really only had 6 scholarship guys tonight at Lewis only played a few minutes. we gave everything we had. It would be nice if Laurent and Freeman could return soon. It would be nice to win a few more games this season.

 

[Local Shill]

We really only had 6 scholarship guys tonight at Lewis only played a few minutes. we gave everything we had. It would be nice if Laurent and Freeman could return soon. It would be nice to win one more game this season.

FIFY.

 

[cyrock3]

I'm proud of the team's effort as well.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

You guys are watching a different game. We saw good individual offensive plays made. The defensive effort was atrocious. 96 points and we played with effort?

 

[MadRU]

Yes we are, I am no Jordan apologist. It had nothing to do with making shots. At the time I posted this thread we were fighting. Mike Williams was giving his all under the basket, Corey was drained and still fought, Grier and Foreman also.

There is a distinct difference of results and effort. We had multiple guys fighting for defensive rebounds and the OSU hands were about a foot above ours.

After we went down over 15+ points you could see the air come out.

But even then the bench was applauding each other. Tonight we didn't give up.

 

[jellyman]

You guys are watching a different game. We saw good individual offensive plays made. The defensive effort was atrocious. 96 points and we played with effort?

Really? What do you think happens when 6'2" guys have to cover 6'6" to 6'10" guys?

It was miraculous EFFORT that RU actually out-rebounded OSU in the 1st half.

It is true Sanders gambled a lot on the wing for steals, that led to easy inside shots ... but mainly when he was forced to cover a 6'7" to 6'8" guy who was backing him down with little help available (because other 6'2" guys were covering 6'8"+ guys).

RU has just TWO players over 6'4" available - one of whom was playing on one leg last night. OSU had just ONE player UNDER 6'4" who even plays.

To the above comment: Lewis probably should not even have been playing last night - especially in the 2nd half (I watched him - he could barely run at all, and was visibly limping at times). Yet again, RU was forced into a line-up with Grier at Center at times, along with 4 other 6'2" guards.

Williams, though he had a poor shooting game, was an amazing warrior, playing SO hard, having to cover 6'7" and 6'10" players all game. Sanders also fought really hard ... he just was physically over-matched against the 6'5" Lyle or the 6'7" Diop. There were times Grier (6'4") or even Williams had to cover Giddins (6'10") ... ridiculous. Foreman also played so hard. Daniels at least got some rebounds, and though height-wise should not have been crushed (he often covered the 6'4" Tate), Tate is something like 225-230 pounds, to Daniels what, 190 pounds, maybe? And it is true there were times OSU had a WIDE open guy at the 3-point line ... but often that was because RU was aggressively double-teaming in the post - the only way RU could even try to protect against the huge size advantage ... that only worked sometimes, with turnovers created by picked balls when OSU big men brought the ball down.

Sigh ... at one point RU led 39-32, by the way, on the strength of very hot 3-point shooting, and a scrambling desperate little man defense. But that could only take RU so far, unfortunately. In the end, RU's hot shooting faded, OSU started ping-ponging the backboards, and OSU simply was able to toss the ball over the top of the RU defenders because of sheer size way too often ... and there was NOTHING RU could do about it.

 

[shields]

Thank you Jelly. One instance when Good is guarding Mitchel who is what 6'7". Williams does compete, Nebraska game grabbed rebound between two guys 6 inches taller who blocked his shot. Williams has toughness which other guys need. forgot about Lewis and his bad knees.

 

[knights1212]

Jelly, As usual a well written summary. Our kids did compete last night but they got gassed by the second half. Cory it was stated on the radio was under the weather. I think he had a sore throat but I might be wrong on that. I know Joe Boylan and Chris Carlin stated early in the game how it was amazing how well he was playing considering he was under the weather. I really hope he wins the freshman of the year award in the BIG 10 this season. He has been a breath of fresh air and I think it would show how much he is recognized for his play.

 

[MadRU]

Didn't know Corey was sick. I was wondering if Mike was, he seemed to be reaching for his throat/neck a few times and also his nose...I thought maybe he was under the weather. He had a drained look even early on.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Yep, I was very happy with the effort. Not sure what results people are expecting. You cannot expect to hang in Big Ten play when the team has 6 remaining, undersized healthy players and a completely decimated frontcourt. People on this board are going to poo poo the injuries excuse, but it is what it is. The fact that RU was up 41-39 at the half was amazing and enough for me.

 

[RUJMM78]

The effort and execution were very good in the first half.Reality hit in the second half after the Ohio State head coach went wild at half time and the Rutgers team got tired because of the up tempo game..

 

[bac2therac]

it was ridiculous to try and run with OSU in the 2nd half...why the air was taken out of the ball is headscratching

 

[RUMountie]

You guys are watching a different game. We saw good individual offensive plays made. The defensive effort was atrocious. 96 points and we played with effort?

Do you not understand that RU basketball is playing as if they were a football team who had to replace almost all of their linemen with wide receivers and kickers? If any team ever did that in Div 1 football they would get absolutely destroyed and would wear down very quickly probably in the neighborhood of at least 84-0 by halftime. We just don't have the horses at this point. Yes, we get it effort is necessary condition of good defense in basketball but it is not sufficient, you also need height and length to play it in Div 1 basketball.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

it was ridiculous to try and run with OSU in the 2nd half...why the air was taken out of the ball is headscratching

It was ridiculous to run with OSU in the 1st half to. The difference is we made individual offensive plays.

I should be less upset with the effort and more upset with the game being allowed to be played at a tempo of 77. Ohio State is a team that plays in the high 60s. That game needed to be in the 62-65 area.

The fools gold is always when individual offensive play works. It eventually stops working when the D tightens up or shots stop falling. Next you have other guys hunting for their shots, Mike Williams as an example. Justin Goode NOT an example. It is on everybody that Goode can't get a shot up in 29 minutes.

When shots go down fans think the team is giving effort. When it doesn't work it is hero ball. there were times where we did get in the offense, but too many times where guys were hunting for shots.

 

[MadRU]

Disagree FIG. Like I said previously, hitting shots had nothing to do or any correlation to what I was calling effort.

When I see one of our players in the middle of a few OSU players that are more than 6-8 inches taller and trying to get a rebound, that is effort. When I see a small thin guard trying to bang down low with a bigger stronger player, that is effort.

As far a slowing the game down, yes I can see us trying, my thought is that you do need a specific type of team to be successful playing slow down. You need good ball handlers, good passers, good "holding" post up players. It's tough when we are limited in that aspect also. We needed to try everything, in the first half running was working, but it did leave us drained in half two. If we slowed it down, and waited for 25 seconds to click off the shot clock, who is to say we score enough to be close or in the lead at the half.

We are so undermanned at this point it is rough do get any results.

But again, we did have guys that battled yesterday.

 

[G- RUnit]

Williams was an amazing warrior? How about you finally give credit to Daniels who was 5 for 13 for 12 points with seven rebounds and four assists?

 

[T2Kplus10]

got to give them credit, they have been playing hard and with heart, just too out manned and under sized.

Can we ever have two players hot for the same game? Corey carried us early, but Mike is off today.

Yeah! Participation Trophies for everyone.

 

[rudad02]

No dog in these guys!

 

[MadRU]

Yeah! Participation Trophies for everyone.

Nothing to do with what I am saying.

I am totally disgusted with the results we have had, my point was that the kids gave effort, nothing more or less.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Williams was an amazing warrior? How about you finally give credit to Daniels who was 5 for 13 for 12 points with seven rebounds and four assists?

His defense was beyond bad.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Different era and A10....

What was the height of Anthony Duckett and the players on 1988-89?

 

[RUJMM78]

Different era and A10....

What was the height of Anthony Duckett and the players on 1988-89?

I think fans need to forget the past and concentrate on what can be done in the near future to change the status quo .The frustration level is high among fans ,players and the coaching staff.Its up to the athletic department to set a credible course of action that will make Rutgers mens basketball relevant and no longer a side show.

 

[shields]

When Goode is playing 25 minutes we are in trouble, and I hope Laurent is back soon.

 

[G- RUnit]

His defense was beyond bad.

Leading the team in rebounds reaks of bad D as well bringing the ball up and distributing it. But then again he didn't go 1 for 8 in the first half or 2 for 13 for the game.

 

[jellyman]

Leading the team in rebounds reaks of bad D as well bringing the ball up and distributing it.

Daniels DID have one of his better games last night ... I would agree. He has those types of games about every 3rd game.

Still, his defense was really bad, despite his rebounds. He did have some nice passes (fewer than usual "drive into the paint with his head down" moments last night). But still, his defense was kind of "ole."

 

[shields]

Announcer also made a good point last night about practicing with 7 players.