UPDATE: Source said Flood alerted RU admin in April

[StyleKnight]

So you want me to believe the NBPD, that this was some sort of gang initiation? Or maybe they just beat up some kids to get their jollies in? Maybe they were practicing their press coverage on a random persons face? Maybe they were playing "knockout"?

That's all very unlikely. More likely: Their was an altercation that escalated unnessarily to violence when it could have should have been only a verbal disagreement.

 

[Fat-Tony]

Sorry. I have been trying to limit myself with respect to the board. It keeps giving me a headache. Has anyone posted this yet. It is the Nixle alert concerning the original incidents. It seems to indicate that the victim stated that there was a verbal altercation that escalated. Not sure why this information has disappeared from the reports which came out yesterday.

Off-Campus Crime Alert

Attention Rutgers Community:

The New Brunswick Police Department (NBPD) is investigating an aggravated assault and a robbery which were reported to have occurred off-campus in the city of New Brunswick.

The first incident occurred on Saturday, April 25, 2015 at approximately 7:30 PM in the area of Delafield Street and Courtland Street.

In this incident the victim, who is affiliated with Rutgers University, reported that he and his friends engaged in a verbal altercation with a group of fifteen males who were walking. During the encounter, the victim was punched and received a non-life threatening injury which required treatment at a local hospital.

The second incident occurred on Sunday, April 26, 2015 at approximately 11:29 PM within an off-campus residence located on Prosper Street between Stone Street and Easton Avenue.

In this incident the victims, who are affiliated with Rutgers University, reported that three male perpetrators entered their residence after the front door was opened by one of the victims in response to a knock at the door. One of the perpetrators displayed a firearm and a second had a baseball bat, while demanding items of value including marijuana. The perpetrators removed cash and marijuana from the residence and then fled the area in an unknown direction. The victims were not physically injured during this incident.

The descriptions of the perpetrators for both incidents are limited at this time.

The New Brunswick Police Department is actively investigating these incidents and asks that anyone with information, or who may have been in the area at the time, contact the New Brunswick Police Department Detective Bureau at 732-745-5217.

The Rutgers University Police Department reminds you that you can reduce your chances of being a crime victim by taking reasonable precautions, including:

 Remaining alert and aware of the people and circumstances around you;
 Allow in only guests who are known to you;
 Secure points of entry; and
 Immediately report suspicious activity to local law enforcement.

For more crime prevention information please visit the Rutgers Public Safety website at http://rupd.rutgers.edu/crimetips.shtml.

Follow the Rutgers Police Department on Nixle for regular updates on issues impacting your community at http://local.nixle.com/rutgers-police-department/.

Authority:
Chief Kenneth Cop
April 27, 2015

Address/Location
Rutgers Police Department
55 Commercial Ave
New Brunswick, NJ 08901

Contact
Emergency: 9-1-1
Non-emergencies: 732-932-7211

 

[mikemarc1]

Did Flood know WHO was getting investigated?

Could the police have just told Flood there is an investigation involving members of your team and we r going to have to talk to some players. Maybe Fliod didn't know who, this didn't make any changes to the depth chart?

 

[zappaa]

Johnson and Peele were involved in the fight, with Peele allegedly breaking the guys jaw.
With the history we now know about those two, you don't thing they could have provoked and been the aggressors? Apparently the investigation that has led to the charges believes that based on the charges.
The other guys maybe wrong place wrong time? Doesn't say much for the company they keep

 

[Knight Ed]

I'm going to get killed for this but I find it hilarious that now it's us Rutgers fans making the "well, technically he reported it to the right people!" argument. This is why it's always dumb to take pleasure in other programs' wrongdoing.

I'll agree with you on this one. The quote by one poster about "was flood supposed to investigate the crime himself" seemed like a cut and paste from some Paterno defenses I have read in the past.
Flood wanted to win football games and he looked the other way. Hell, even I heard that Ruhann Peele was trouble we should avoid back when we were recruiting him and that guy can still not do enough bad stuff for Flood to kick him off the team.

 

[PatrickRU92]

I'm going to get killed for this but I find it hilarious that now it's us Rutgers fans making the "well, technically he reported it to the right people!" argument. This is why it's always dumb to take pleasure in other programs' wrongdoing.

Yes you are going to get killed for it. Because it's a ridiculous comparison. If one of our players raped someone, Flood knew about it , didn't say anything about it, and then hired that player as an assistant coach while he continued to rape people and then the ex-player retired, was given an office in the Hale center where he brought and raped victims, and then finally 20 years later it came out.

Oh and during that 20 years, Floods players built up a rap sheet that would keep any DA busy for years

Short of that, there is nothing in common here.

 

[mikemarc1]

Dunleavy reporting Flood DID NOT know that Peele and Barnwell committed the crime when trying camp began.

This, plus Sargeants article, make me think he knew of an investigation but didn't know who or to what extent

 

[suggakane]

If he didn't know he had his head up his arse.

really?

 

[RU62]

The Police need to find and interview these girls as well. This is a whole other issue. Did these girls inform anyone in charge about his behavior? Were they ignored? Politi find out about this. IF true , something really terrible could have happened.

 

[MS-RU]

Yup, the initial report mentioned a verbal altercation so its appears someone is changing their story to make things appear worse than they really are.

 

[rurichdog]

Johnson and Peele were involved in the fight, with Peele allegedly breaking the guys jaw.
With the history we now know about those two, you don't thing they could have provoked and been the aggressors? Apparently the investigation that has led to the charges believes that based on the charges.
The other guys maybe wrong place wrong time? Doesn't say much for the company they keep

Possibly another sad case of "He gave me a disrespectful look, so I hit him"?

 

[Scarlet16E]

Dunleavy reporting Flood DID NOT know that Peele and Barnwell committed the crime when trying camp began.

This, plus Sargeants article, make me think he knew of an investigation but didn't know who or to what extent

This makes more sense.

 

[RU62]

I support Kyle all the way. That being said I don't clearly underdtsnd that if Kyle had some knowledge or even a hint that something which occurred in the spring and possibly involved some players did not result in his addressing the team or any of the players he may have been informed were involved and then kept an eye on things and ears to the ground. There are enough people around the program....staff, assistants, and even security and university police to not be able to follow up and keep him informed. The entire thing and process is a big mess that quite frankly is difficult to understand.

I've been around Rutgers football for too many years than I care to remember. In past there was a great person in Bob Ochs who was in charge of the campus police and nothing involving any football player got by him and he would quickly meet with Frank Burns or Coach Bateman to fill them in on events which often resulted in one on one meetings with anyone potentially involved and handled accordingly.

While times do change there definitely was a close relationship between the local police and campus police. Not too sure if this exists anymore. If not this is major problem. It would appear that something here is missing in the way of communication and cooperation between May and Sept and with all groups involved.

 

[PaKnight]

A off campus street fight is slightly different than on campus child rape.

And the legal authorities knew that an incident had happened. That was not the case at PSU.

 

[knightfan7]

I support Kyle all the way. That being said I don't clearly underdtsnd that if Kyle had some knowledge or even a hint that something which occurred in the spring and possibly involved some players did not result in his addressing the team or any of the players he may have been informed were involved and then kept an eye on things and ears to the ground. There are enough people around the program....staff, assistants, and even security and university police to not be able to follow up and keep him informed. The entire thing and process is a big mess that quite frankly is difficult to understand.

I've been around Rutgers football for too many years than I care to remember. In past there was a great person in Bob Ochs who was in charge of the campus police and nothing involving any football player got by him and he would quickly meet with Frank Burns or Coach Bateman to fill them in on events which often resulted in one on one meetings with anyone potentially involved and handled accordingly.

While times do change there definitely was a close relationship between the local police and campus police. Not too sure if this exists anymore. If not this is major problem. It would appear that something here is missing in the way of communication and cooperation between May and Sept and with all groups involved.

Wasn't this handled at the county level? If so, they may have kept the Admin and RUPD in the dark to insure no leaks till they were done. After all, everyone knows there are people in high places at RU that can't keep their mouth shut. Wouldn't they have run to Politi or Sarge if this was known?

 

[RUsojo]

This is a good thing. He notified the administration and the police were investigating. Nothing was being hidden and punishment was handed out after the police investigation finished. What's the problem?

 

[knightfan7]

This is a good thing. He notified the administration and the police were investigating. Nothing was being hidden and punishment was handed out after the police investigation finished. What's the problem?

Apparently there are people who think Flood should have put on a trench coat, hopped in his beat up Peugeot, and got to the bottom of whatever happened. The hell with the legalities of interfering with a Police investigation.

He then should have been prosecutor, judge, and jury, all before the full story was known to him or anyone else at Rutgers. Seems pretty reasonable.

 

[dicemen99]

Apparently there are people who think Flood should have put on a trench coat, hopped in his beat up Peugeot, and got to the bottom of whatever happened. The hell with the legalities of interfering with a Police investigation.

He then should have been prosecutor, judge, and jury, all before the full story was known to him or anyone else at Rutgers. Seems pretty reasonable.

No, there are people who think Flood should be invested and involved in what is going on with his team and be properly prepared as the HC of a P5 football team. That seems pretty reasonable.

 

[SAE96]

Yesterday, according to the SL, RU was opening an investigation into whether Coach Flood notified the administration. Today they report it's clear he did.

It sounds like the original, "another investigation" story was complete BS. I guess they were hoping that they could continue to write "multiple investigations," to imply a program out of control. Let's not make this situation more than it is, regardless of the SL attempts at manipulating the story.

Yes we had 5 players arrested. That seems to be all that's actually happened so far. We're no different from any other program, we bring in questionable players and they get in trouble. We wanted to play in a top tier conference against the best programs in the country. Bringing in morally questionable players is just part of the Faustian deal. Get used to it people, it's the current state of P5 college football.

 

[vkj91]

No, there are people who think Flood should be invested and involved in what is going on with his team and be properly prepared as the HC of a P5 football team. That seems pretty reasonable.

How is he not? Hell 24 hrs ago people were saying he was to invested and shouldn't be contacting teachers. Let me get this straight, you believe he was hands off and cool with a felony but badgered a teacher over extra credit?he knew there was an investigation and he told his higher ups. Let's be honest, the Boggs thing is off the charts crazy but the others are pretty much run of the mill college crap....football or not. In fact, I'd bet anyone not named Boggs ends up playing football somewhere next season.

 

[knightfan7]

No, there are people who think Flood should be invested and involved in what is going on with his team and be properly prepared as the HC of a P5 football team. That seems pretty reasonable.

Absolutely, but we're talking about a very serious Criminal Investigation, not staying out past curfew or being late for practice.

Before you condemn Flood you have to know the answers to these simple questions....

Was the MCPO willing to share what they knew with him or anyone at Rutgers?

Did Flood know for sure who was involved or what the nature of the investigation centered around?

Was he told to stay away because of the nature of the investigation by RU legal or administration.

You have to realize anything he may have done that could possible hinder the investigation would have put him in really hot water legally, not just as a coach.

 

[suggakane]

Flood has to be the stupidest man on earth to not know since the fighting occurred in April. Those players or the whole team know how to keep a secret.

is that your proof that he knew?

 

[Piscataway]

SAE: He does NOT Have an enormous salary. Maybe that is the crux of the situation. You get what you pay for.

You need to adjust your sarcasm antennae and turn up the volume...

 

[dwiz]

If Flood was told by the police that several of his players were under investigation but wasn't given specifics on the individuals and/or charges, then he did the right thing by reporting this to Athletic Department higher-ups and then waiting for it to be completed. I'll reserve further judgement until more facts come out.

How'd that work out for Joe Paterno?

 

[suggakane]

Note that it says Police said there are no detailed descriptions of the suspects at this time

exactly when they figured out the participants = unknown

but if it turns out that some of the players told Flood & he decided to single-handedly try to play Father Flanagan and just give them a stern talking-to and not report them - he could be done

if's don't count

 

[suggakane]

When are the mods going to start cleaning up some of this stream of conscious idiocy that winds up concluding "Flood knew and should be fired" without a thread of factual basis?

an abundance of not very well thought out posts..... something in the water

 

[rurichdog]

How'd that work out for Joe Paterno?

Kyle Flood is no Joe Paterno and this isn't Crappy Valley

 

[Tango Two]

"Kyle Flood did not know that Nadir Barnwell and Ruhann Peele allegedly were part of what police called an “unprovoked attack” on campus when he decided the troubled Rutgers football players deserved another chance, a source with knowledge of the situation told Gannett New Jersey.

Flood did not know of Peele’s and Barnwell’s alleged actions when training camp began, the source said.

It is unclear whether Flood knew if those two Rutgers players were being investigated by the police in relation to this incident at that time.

Flood "did the right thing when he found out there was an issue, alerting athletics (officials) within 24 hours,” according to a NJ Advance Media Report citing an unnamed person close to Flood."


http://www.mycentraljersey.com/stor...-stars-nd-chances-learning-incident/71700794/

 

[SAE96]

You need to adjust your sarcasm antennae and turn up the volume...

Thanks Piscataway. I actually thought it was too obvious to even need a rolling eyes emoji.

 

[Source]

UPDATE: Source said Flood alerted RU admin in April

I said no such thing.

 

[Piscataway]

Thanks Piscataway. I actually thought it was too obvious to even need a rolling eyes emoji.

No problem good buddy

 

[RU62]

Not to sound naive buy do what if the suspects may have knowledge that they were being investigated. Just what harm is there done. Might have even prevented any further incidents. What was done was done...no going back to change that. We are not talking about a major crime like money laundering, counterfeiting, a murder etc. This involved a b&e and apparently a street fight. Arms uo me their is sloppy work all around here involving all parties and now the finger pointing starts as to why and who weren't involved earlier. I realize it's a tough task yo try and oversee a large community of students whether they are athletes or not but there needs to be a very close relationship between all groups..local, university etc. Sometimes I wonder if this truly exists and what us happening here is a good example.

Just some thoughts to consider.

 

[PaKnight]

Police knew and declined to press charges. Are you really this dense?

Not true.

 

[ClassOf02]

Not to sound naive buy do what if the suspects may have knowledge that they were being investigated. Just what harm is there done. Might have even prevented any further incidents. What was done was done...no going back to change that. We are not talking about a major crime like money laundering, counterfeiting, a murder etc. This involved a b&e and apparently a street fight. Arms uo me their is sloppy work all around here involving all parties and now the finger pointing starts as to why and who weren't involved earlier. I realize it's a tough task yo try and oversee a large community of students whether they are athletes or not but there needs to be a very close relationship between all groups..local, university etc. Sometimes I wonder if this truly exists and what us happening here is a good example.

Just some thoughts to consider.

Uhh, armed robbery during a home invasion is a pretty big crime. If someone knocked on my door, forced themselves in, and stuck a gun to my head while stealing my shit, I'd say that's a big crime.

 

[Rokodesh]

Not to sound naive buy do what if the suspects may have knowledge that they were being investigated. Just what harm is there done. Might have even prevented any further incidents. What was done was done...no going back to change that. We are not talking about a major crime like money laundering, counterfeiting, a murder etc. This involved a b&e and apparently a street fight. Arms uo me their is sloppy work all around here involving all parties and now the finger pointing starts as to why and who weren't involved earlier. I realize it's a tough task yo try and oversee a large community of students whether they are athletes or not but there needs to be a very close relationship between all groups..local, university etc. Sometimes I wonder if this truly exists and what us happening here is a good example.

Just some thoughts to consider.

home invasion and robbery with a deadly weapon is a major crime.

 

[RUsSKii]

How'd that work out for Joe Paterno?

Waiting an entire weekend to report a suspected incident of child abuse to his direct university supervisors and the director of the PSU campus police is not even close to what happened with Flood. If you are informed that unnamed players on your team are under investigation by the city and/or county police for unspecified crimes that occurred off-campus (excepting the Livingston dorm attempted robbery), what else could he have done besides quickly informing Athletic Department management, without interfering with an active law enforcement investigation?

 

[SAE96]

Waiting an entire weekend to report a suspected incident of child abuse to his direct university supervisors and the director of the PSU campus police is not even close to what happened with Flood. If you are informed that unnamed players on your team are under investigation by the city and/or county police for unspecified crimes that occurred off-campus (excepting the Livingston dorm attempted robbery), what else could he have done besides quickly informing Athletic Department management, without interfering with an active law enforcement investigation?

If you have to explain the difference in reporting protocols between a bar fight and child rape, you're dealing with a person too lost to understand any point you're trying to make.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Uhh, armed robbery during a home invasion is a pretty big crime. If someone knocked on my door, forced themselves in, and stuck a gun to my head while stealing my shit, I'd say that's a big crime.

I thought I read it was a knife and a bat? (not that getting stabbed is anything to look forward to)...the way this is going it could have been a pen knife and one of those replica mini bats....

(and please don't think I support these dopes and want them anywhere near Rutgers)

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Now armed robbery isn't a major crime.

That actually made me chuckle a bit.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Now armed robbery isn't a major crime.

That actually made me chuckle a bit.

I glad you enjoyed it but that isn't what I said. I was referring to the assumption it was a gun (which I would thought you would appreciate as much as anyone) and the fact that the news release has some inconsistency with regard to the true facts (like an verbal altercation as opposed to an unprovoked attack).

Clearly there was a serious crime committed hudson.