Connor Stalions was in the Big House too.
Wonder if the stadium DJ played this for him?
Filthy cheater- wish them nothing but misery.
Will Schiano be a candidate for the many open head coach positions?
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Wonder if the stadium DJ played this for him?
Filthy cheater- wish them nothing but misery.
Thanks for the laugh, this has to be nominated as one of the best threads of the year!!
Knowing the Skunkbears, I’m sure it’s just a misunderstanding. A rogue security guard left him in a back gate.
If I were GS.. and we improve again next year.. I stay as long as it takes to be able to set his kid up as a real college coach. He is quality control right now. Have him learn it all. Lots of places can benefit from Schiano's management skills. I think he needs some serious help offensively.. and will have to handle this NIL stuff.. but there are plenty of programs that are poorly run organizations... they could benefit.
The "this is my last job" thing is his coach-speak way of saying he will achieve long-term success here and retire to off into the sunset as a Rutgers legend, sorta like what everyone thought would happen to Paterno before that thing happened.
In the a board that has shown that it's members are extremely capable of posting dumb threads this maybe the dumbest. He's not going anywhere. When he leaves Rutgers he leaves coaching.
Sure it is. I do negotiations on business deals all day long. You always try to negotiate from a position of strength, additionally it is imperative to understand the competition you are up against. That’s the key here, the competition we’re up against…. 10 years Greg Schiano sat available for anyone to pick him up as a HC… no one did. As previously stated 2.0’s record here is 18-28, in other words there’s not another P5 school in the country who’se interested. When we are literally the ONLY P5 school in the country who would hire a guy, when it comes to renegotiate that’s a fact we can’t ignore. Figure every dollar we spend on a coach is one less dollar for NIL, why in the world would we hamper ourselves by giving a man a raise when we have no risk of losing him? It doesn’t make sense, not in any form of business or negotiation.
UCLA doesn’t belong in that list. They almost always underachieve given their geographic and recruiting area advantage.
Also, keep in mind that adding those schools results in RU playing Penn St, Ohio St and Michigan less.
Our schedule going forward is generally going to be 3 OOC and one B1G that we should win, 3-4 B1G games that would require a big upset to win, and 4-5 games that could go either way.
7-8 wins is a realistic good year from this coaching regime. My concern is that with the inability to recruit/coach a modern offense, 7-8 wins is also pretty much the ceiling of how good we can be with this coaching regime.
Last paragraph sums up my exact thoughts and is why I get frustrated given our potential tk do more
I don’t agree with the premise that Schiano is desirable to many other schools, but your facts are a little off.
Schiano was actually only available for 6 years between getting fired from the TB job and getting rehired at RU, and for the first 2-3 of those he was collecting $5 million a year from TB and didn’t appear to be even trying to get back into coaching much.
There are many types of negotiations. Anytime someone tries to get a win is not thinking long term. RU should try to come up with a win win situation. GS obviously did a good job turning the ship around. School doesn’t have to go crazy here. Maybe a raise so he is not the lowest pay w/o an extension makes sense to me. Shows appreciation w/o going over the top.
Sounds great, but Schiano & his agent have shown a propensity to bend Rutgers over during negotiations.
There’s no reason for it. He’s got 4 years/$16mil still left on his contract. We need to have perspective here, Greg Schiano could not go out right now and make the same money in any other football related job. The offer isn’t available to him.
Rutgers athletic department operates at a deficit, the athletic department has to borrow from the school each year to fund, you don’t raise a coaches salary who is in the top 1% of earners nationally making $4 million a year when there’s not another job in the country available to him right now where he would make more than $2mil. We have to be smart with our money, Greg is not irreplaceable and he is also certainly not leaving for another job as there isn’t a better one available to him. No one retires early and walks away from $16 mil, it’s ridiculous to suggest an extension/raise right now, we’d be throwing money down the toilet
Like how? Negotiating to be the lowest paid coach in the conf?
Yes, showing everyone how cheap you are always attracts top talent coaches and players. The pay increase will also signal nationally that we have turned the corner. Your style is great for transactional business. It’s terrible for relationship based.
G.S. 1.0 extracted a raise every time his name came up in another team's coaching search.
When we fired that shithead Ash, Greg and Rutgers initially failed to reach a deal despite Greg having no other offers. The fans eventually made Hobbs swallow his pride and accept an 8 year deal that now seems ready to be stretched into perpetuity in 4 year bites.
? GS 1.0 passed up Mich to stay here. Post Ash, if we had a better candidate, we could’ve moved on. And again, lowest paid. How is that bending us over?
You’re out of touch if you think anything involving TEN’S OF MILLIONS of dollars is anything besides a business relationship. I will remind you again that Rutgers athletic department operates at a $60 millio DEFICIT (for context, the average program is around $14 million deficit). WE ARE BROKE! If we want NIL money for players we CANT burn thd little cash we have by giving a coach an unnecessary raise
Recruits don’t care whether their coach makes $4 mil or $6 mil a year when making their college decisions, that has absolutely no effect whatsoever as a recruit sits down with their parents to discuss college choices.
Every additional dollar we pay Schiano is a dollar away from nil and the program, it’s that simple. We have no risk at all of Greg leaving this offseason, none. Next year if we see 7-8 wins, an extension is very much in the cards as there will be actual potential of other schools poaching him
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Maybe that happened precisely because he had no other offers, a sign that our AD actually used his bargaining position. The 8 year contract was probably the trade-off.
We really have to make a decision at 4-6 wins next year. I think we extent 2 more years if 5-6 wins and 4 more years if 7 and above. After next year, we should have a good idea of where we are going with the QB situation.
That's probably because of the very long contract--and the propensity of posters to be dramatic. None of us who was not there can speak with any authority about what went on, though. Maybe donors applied pressure to make that happen. Eight years does seem like a very long time for someone who hadn't been a head coach for years and so didn't have a recent HC success to sell to an AD.
You said it. It’s a business relationship. I also didn’t know schools can contribute to NIL. I know how you personally feel about GS. So I get why you would get personal satisfaction out of it but it’s not the right way to negotiate in this instance.
Or Schiano insisted on it in return for a lower salary, probably hoping for a raise after a while for the best of both worlds. IMO he needs to do much better than 6 wins for a raise. That's the least that can be expected. You don't get a raise for merely doing the minimum of your job. 8 wins and maybe you can talk.
My personal feelings on GS have nothing to do with this. You are acting as though Greg’s making peanuts with the ‘lowest in thd big 10’ mantra. Reality man, we are the BROKEST athletic department in the Big 10 and it’s not even close. That’s not a shot that’s just reality. You cannot spend beyond your means when there’s no tangible benefit to it.
Let’s say we give Greg a $1 million raise, that still would rank near the bottom of all big ten salaries… we get the same coach and same game plan, MEANWHILE if we take that same $1 mil, that’ll buy us a couple decent receivers and tight end through NIL which we desperately need. The money comes from donations, plain and simple. If you don’t think schools are re-directing money to NIL avenues I have some beachfront property in Kansas for you
This is a different conversation if we were operating at a profit or even just a small or reasonable deficit. $60 million annually is not small or reasonable, and when there’s absolutely no chance of another school poaching Greg away this year anything over and above what’s currently owed directly impacts our ability to field a competitive team. We MUST be smart with our money. Would you rather give the coach a raise or go get a stud reciever?
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I hear you on most but what does a coaches salary have to do with NIL?
One has nothing to do with the other. I’m not advocating for a big raise. Just enough so he is not the lowest. School money can’t be used for NIL.
In a perfect world where no rules are broken, nothing. In the 2023 reality of college athletics, everything. People are fooling themselves if they don’t think boosters are directly funding NIL rather than athletic departments under complete direction of the athletic departments themselves. The $1 million raise would have to come from donations to the the athletic department as there’s no profit to pull if from. At the same time we could direct our boosters to donate that $1 mil to NIL and improve our roster.
If we are that poor, why do people expect us to beat Iowa, Wisc or even MD? GS is punching way above his weight if that’s the case.
He’s not exactly dominating the NJ recruiting scene as well
None of this matters.
Greg Schiano will get his extension and increase because he deserves it. Ticket Sales are going to be up. Donations will be up. Next year, Rutgers Media Payout will be $80M - $100M, with the new teams coming onboard. There will be enough money to pay Schiano on par with his peers. Football is being built into a Cash Cow and will be turning a profit next year and the only reason Rutgers AD will have a deficit is that other sports are loss leaders and do not generate revenue.
Are you going to tell me to get off your lawn or how gas used to cost 50 cents per gallon?
Huh? He's a multi-millionaire. Why are you so concerned thst he gets more if there's no danger of him leaving? You're spending other people's money freely.
