Why not 37-29 with 1:30 left, onsides kick, Rutgers recovers, Rutgers ties it, 37-37, and wins in overtime? Indiana would have been on their heels if that call was upheld. As Greg said: "I didn't come here to lose."
I like it....I like 33-28 better--without the Penix gift TD (will give them the FG) --and another RU onside kick coming!!Why not 37-29 with 1:30 left, onsides kick, Rutgers recovers, Rutgers ties it, 37-37, and wins in overtime? Indiana would have been on their heels if that call was upheld. As Greg said: "I didn't come here to lose."
Some say this is how the officials ruled on the “immaculate reception”...Interesting take by Carino:
If one of the laterals went forward — lateral No. 5, from a falling Shameen Jones to lineman Sam Vretman — it was by an inch. This is where circumstances conspired to hurt Rutgers. * In a normal season, with 40,000-plus fans going bonkers in the stadium — let’s assume most of them stuck around for the finish — it’s hard to see the officials overturning the ruling on the field.
“When one of the officials told me, Coach, we think one of the laterals was a forward pass, I was like, ‘Thank you, Jesus,’” Indiana coach Tom Allen said afterward.
Rutgers football: Insane lateral touchdown didn't count - but it really did
The Scarlet Knights broke nine tackles on the play. Let that be a warning to the Big Ten.www.app.com
Quoting myself here--seeing this on Twitter with the red lines, notations and arrows. One Tweeter said it was the best analysis he saw. 🙌 Kind of weird. I woke up early this morning after the clocks fell back and was bored because nobody else was awake in the house.This is the NFL Rule:
FORWARD PASS
Two Images:
In the image on left, Jones' left hand is at about the 35.5, Krimin's foot is on the 35 and Jones' release of ball looks to be at 36.
In image on right, note the ref's foot at 36. Red line drawn from just before 36. Vretman appears to be at or behind the 36.
Two more images
Image on left. It again appears Jones' non-release left hand is at about the 35.5, and his "throwing arm" at point of release is at 36.
Image on right. Vretman is behind 36.
We can debate the exactitude of positioning of Jones' throwing and where ball was and where Vretman was, but it was a bullshit reversal because there was no indisputable evidence. I will be filing a complaint with the B1G tomorrow morning.
My issue with it is that it looked like he just hit him with his forearm. If he clobbered him in the head with a shoulder or helmet then I get it, but you're not going to concuss someone with a helmet on by hitting them with an unpadded forearm. And then when an Indiana player hit Vedral in the head with his arm, that one wasn't targeting. Inconsistent.
Exactly, clearly targeting as it's described in the rule book. You just can't hit guys in the head any more, especially QBs who are sliding.
The stills above are taken from that overhead view.
That is simply not true.. look above. The passer was diving.. his hand with ball was way out in front of him and he rotated it to make the latteral.. the guy catching it was moving forward to catch it and over-ran it.. you can tell from where he was when 15 with ball was diving and where he caught it and his body lean as he caught it.. his lead foot was at/over the 36.. but not his hands/arms..
Nice job on the analysis. One thing, the red lines drawn on the pics aren't exactly right. In the first pair of pics, the red line isn't parallel to the 35 yd line. You can see in the right photo the red line drifts away from the 35 and makes it appear Krimin is behind the release point more than he really was.This is the NFL Rule:
FORWARD PASS
Two Images:
In the image on left, Jones' left hand is at about the 35.5, Krimin's foot is on the 35 and Jones' release of ball looks to be at 36.
In image on right, note the ref's foot at 36. Red line drawn from just before 36. Vretman appears to be at or behind the 36.
Two more images
Image on left. It again appears Jones' non-release left hand is at about the 35.5, and his "throwing arm" at point of release is at 36.
Image on right. Vretman is behind 36.
We can debate the exactitude of positioning of Jones' throwing and where ball was and where Vretman was, but it was a bullshit reversal because there was no indisputable evidence. I will be filing a complaint with the B1G tomorrow morning.
I sweated more over the parallelism of those red lines than I do over stuff I do on my real job. Seriously. I was a little too wound up about it. The camera angles did not make it easy. I could never draw straight lines in mechanical drawing class. [roll]
Oh no, I was just being an unhinged lunatic. Doesn't really matter now, does it.
Finally, because I have been on the wrong side of everything today. Thank you!
This is the NFL Rule:
FORWARD PASS
Two Images:
In the image on left, Jones' left hand is at about the 35.5, Krimin's foot is on the 35 and Jones' release of ball looks to be at 36.
In image on right, note the ref's foot at 36. Red line drawn from just before 36. Vretman appears to be at or behind the 36.the ref just had to inject himself at the end of this game......was that conclusive evidence that should over turn a td called on the field . without a penalty, or a stoppage of play....of course not.....dam refs should be seen and not noticed.....i hate the flow of the game being interrupted by a dam yellow flag.....some of these crack back block penalties are really awful....in the mich .st. mich game ,two or three were called that shouldn't have been. the zebras need to keep the flag in there pockets, and let the boys play......stop being media spotlight whores.
Two more images
Image on left. It again appears Jones' non-release left hand is at about the 35.5, and his "throwing arm" at point of release is at 36.
Image on right. Vretman is behind 36.
We can debate the exactitude of positioning of Jones' throwing and where ball was and where Vretman was, but it was a bullshit reversal because there was no indisputable evidence. I will be filing a complaint with the B1G tomorrow morning.
well said........must feel good to be in a position to change an outcome of a situation, even as trivial as a college fb game.
