I'm ok with some loosening of % restrictions based on local data (and CT cases aren't low enough for 100% occupancy IMO - they're still way above the summer lows), but not removal of the mask mandates. CT did not remove their mask mandate.
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They did not relax masks, they are still mandatory and will be for the foreseeable future.
I don't doubt the laws are passed.
I DO doubt that states' highest appeals court will find that Grandma who died after entering a business with no precautions has an estate without recourse. The typical standard is a reasonable person and courts are generally highly suspicious of hold harmless laws. And in a lot of the South in particular the Plaintiff's bar is highly influential.
Government issues the orders, as informed by the experts (thought that was obvious, but the clarification is helpful), but the states should be listening to their public health/scientific experts and in states that are lifting mask mandates, they're generally ignoring the science.
No one on this site called for the school to be renamed. Just ridiculous.
If we all donated $1 every time a poster on this board played down Covid we'd have a monorail from Douglass to the stadium by the end of the year.
ok. Fair enough.
but shouldn’t citizens also be listening to health/science experts and making decisions themselves?
there’s no “jacket mandates”..mandating everyone must wear a jacket under 40 degrees. Yet people still wear jackets under 40 degrees.
dumb example..I know. But people should still wear masks. If they aren’t they’re the dumb ones
We live in a country where people clapped at the idea that firefighters would ignore a fire if people didn't pay for services.
I mean, I don't like it, I find masks annoying, I am thankfully low risk...but the reality is there is a small percentage of jerks who will ruin it for everyone.
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Thats already assumed. Before re-opening my business I talked to an attorney who specialized in liability etc and he said the reason youve seen zero successful suits regarding business liability for corona is the plaintiff would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they contracted a) at your place of business b) it was directly because of your business c) prove who they contracted it from d) show evidence everyone they interacted with over a 14 day period didnt have corona.
theres no liability to open to full capacity
From walking around outside?
If you want to go inside somewhere in CT you’re still wearing a mask.
Well I doubt no govt official in a state that did is going into a private establishment and telling people to take them off.
Unless you're a business that has no employees, this is not true.
Negligence means you had a duty, you breached a duty, but for the breach the injury doesn't occur, and damages.
An employee made to appear who has otherwise been quarantining will be the problem for any business.
And, to get to where you're talking you will have to go to a trial, and depending on the allegations, your defense may not be insurable. And a lot of juries will not be sympathetic.
There's no slam dunks either way on this.
The reason you've seen "no successful suits" is because this liability is a year old and courts were closed and in a state like NJ no way are you getting through trial in one year. Courts have been closed nationally on and off. There were something like 9 criminal trials in NYC in 2020 and usually there are 70+ with a Constitutional mandate to expedite criminal. They're not expediting stuff like COVID, at least not yet.
The mandate in NJ says masks only required outside if no distance. Even JC/Hoboken this is usually not an issue. I would say it's maybe half of people who wear a mask outside here. And I've heard of no citations. Down in your neck of the woods it's like 10% and I saw no one sitting on the beach with one.
This idea that people are being cited or abused in NJ for not wearing a mask outside is totally unfounded.
You don't remember a few years ago there was some fire district in the South where people had to pay a fee to get services, they didn't pay, it came up at a conference and people clapped. Many parts of the country there is no sense of community. It's sad.
Did you buy your Devils tickets yet after claiming fans weren't allowed? I literally know people who went this past week. They survived, even with masks on! So brave!
One you are a liar. Second you are a fool.
Pretty sure those are almost all “private” set ups like the MONOC EMS in Monmouth and Ocean Counties. But not really 100% on that.
In most of those cases they want the bill payed upfront. Because they would be out of business if they weren’t.
It was not in NJ and I would never expect it here.
I am just speaking generally. There's always one jerk who will ruin it for everyone.
'There's an excitement that they bring': Devils welcome back fans to Prudential Center
The doors at Prudential Center are finally open. The Devils and their fans are back together.
www.northjersey.com
Literally pictures of fans in the arena.
Please stop making things up.
I know, I was using MONOC as an example of something that isn’t municipally based (or taxed as such) and more of a private agency.
And the jerk in this case is the one who skipped out on the bill. Fare share and all that.
Did you click the link I posted. No tickets. You keep saying everything is open and the restrictions don't matter. Well it sure does for the NJ Devils next home game. So you are wrong again!!'There's an excitement that they bring': Devils welcome back fans to Prudential Center
The doors at Prudential Center are finally open. The Devils and their fans are back together.www.northjersey.com
Literally pictures of fans in the arena.
Please stop making things up.
Almost 3 hrs to get into the Linc when the POTUS Army-Navy 2 yrs ago
We still got in like 2 hrs early but missed the parade of cadets. No time to tailgate I had 2 beers. Dont think I've ever been to a game where I didnt tailgate. That will change this year at MetLife. 5 minute ride as opposed to a 2 hr ride
OK. And his kids? They didn't choose their father.
Again- I personally don't like wearing a mask, BUT I understand helping someone else's grandma even though mine passed. It's not a burden for me to wear it in the supermarket, and despite the crying on this board, absolutely no one is getting in trouble for being unmasked walking down the street or sitting on the beach. It's just not true.
The funny thing about COVID is we're all living this for a year and I'm still being told despite having lived in that in fact I didn't. It's farcical that in this country we have like 30% of people telling us what we see and hear we didn't see and hear at all.
LOL. So you can't buy one means no one can?
People are literally photographed in the arena. Is it a deep fake?
I’m not sure what this little tiff is about with you and NIRH. But I will say my brother & his son were at the Rock last night for the Rangers/Devils game.
That is the game I'm talking about. POTUS arrived late screwed everything.
Seeing the March on of Cadets and Midshipmen requires a choice. Arrive inside the stadium around 10:30 and than wait about 3 plus for the game to start. They no longer let you enter to watch the March on and go back out to your tailgate. So you are stuck inside the stadium until kickoff.
Yes a limited number of fans are allowed in NIRH doesn't understand "limited" or "restrictions" keeps saying everything is wide open. Anyone can go. That isn't a fact.
Still can't understand limits and restrictions and it's effect on business. Elevator doesn't go to the top.
Kids? Again, not sure what you’re talking about here. Sorry. 🤷♂️
As for the supermarket, that’s their “house” and their rules. If they say mask up you mask up or leave. Same for a Home Depot, Walmart, whatever.
But at the same time that should have ALWAYS been the case too for the smaller version of the same. Nothing should have closed or ALL of it should have closed. Limit the amount and distance could have been done everywhere.
And no one is getting ticketed for outside stuff here. But out in Cali I’m sure you have seen what looked like an episode of “COPS” when the lone surfer had to be stopped from entering the tiny, impossibly to social distance Pacific. 🙄
Again...over half a million Americans dead and some still get their panties in a bunch over mask wearing.
Is it really that much of a hardship ?
Frankly, I've seen what some here look like and IMO they should be required to wear masks even after this pandemic is finished.
Is it really that much of a hardship ?
Frankly, I've seen what some here look like and IMO they should be required to wear masks even after this pandemic is finished.
Unless everyone is vaccinated by the season. It would be a big mistake to allow 50-100,000 maskless fans to sit in a stadium during a pandemic.
Yes, but let's be real about who's not wearing masks and why. It almost all comes from one person dismissing and ridiculing masks all last year and the vast majority of people who now ridicule masks and won't wear them are followers of that person. They've listened to him over any science/public health experts, which is crazy, IMO, but it is what it is.
Everyone? No. 60-70% of adults? I think we have a very good shot of that by mid-summer and that, combined with previously infected people, who have pretty good immunity still, should get us to near zero new cases, barring new variants that can elude the vaccines.
But like it or not, the day we get a variant that can actually elude the vaccines - if that day comes (we simply don't know if we'll see that or when) - we have to go back to masks and getting revaccinated all over again. Fortunately, retooling the vaccines should only take a few months.
And the best way to avoid such variants? Wear your masks and get vaccinated now to reduce transmissions, as there can be no mutations without new transmissions - it's all about probability-based viral evolution.
Not in some states now, which is simply stupid. Daily cases in Texas, for example, have levelled off at about 75% of where they were during the summer peak, which is still way too high for opening things up 100% without masks. It's not just stupid, it's criminally stupid.
No, totally different, but your emoji tells me the detailed explanation probably isn't worth it.
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