COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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So a post in the Alabama thread got me looking at the US deaths over the course of this thing, and wondering if people think that death rates at these points would demand a change of action.
Peak 7dma for deaths in April was over 2200. Which would equate to about 800,000 deaths over a full year.
At the trough in July we were around 530 deaths per day, which equates to 188K deaths over a full year.
At the height of the 2nd wave we were over 1200, but we are currently a little under 1000, so just as an average of these 2 #'s, let's say 400K covid deaths over a full year?
Now you do have to factor in age cohorts, and we all know this predominantly effects older folk. But still 800K would make it the leading killer in the country and I think a # where society as a whole would agree that we need to tighten things up implement measures to get this under control.
The 188K total would still make it the 3rd leading killer in this country(though significantly less then heart disease which kills around 650K) but might be a number where people would say we need to open up. That the restrictions we have in place are worse then the virus itself.
But the current average of around 400K is interesting. Yes it's mostly old folk, but that is still a big #, again ranking it 3rd in terms of annual deaths. And that # has come despite a fair amount of mitigation practices in place(in some states more then others). Now again we see different states with different restrictions, so maybe asking the question of "does this require more or less restrictions?" is not really applicable, but in general are we as a society OK that 400K people would die from Covid?
Peak 7dma for deaths in April was over 2200. Which would equate to about 800,000 deaths over a full year.
At the trough in July we were around 530 deaths per day, which equates to 188K deaths over a full year.
At the height of the 2nd wave we were over 1200, but we are currently a little under 1000, so just as an average of these 2 #'s, let's say 400K covid deaths over a full year?
Now you do have to factor in age cohorts, and we all know this predominantly effects older folk. But still 800K would make it the leading killer in the country and I think a # where society as a whole would agree that we need to tighten things up implement measures to get this under control.
The 188K total would still make it the 3rd leading killer in this country(though significantly less then heart disease which kills around 650K) but might be a number where people would say we need to open up. That the restrictions we have in place are worse then the virus itself.
But the current average of around 400K is interesting. Yes it's mostly old folk, but that is still a big #, again ranking it 3rd in terms of annual deaths. And that # has come despite a fair amount of mitigation practices in place(in some states more then others). Now again we see different states with different restrictions, so maybe asking the question of "does this require more or less restrictions?" is not really applicable, but in general are we as a society OK that 400K people would die from Covid?
Based on that fact that the virus is so influenced by risk factors, there should be 2 sets of guidelines - one for those with risk factors and one for those without. Pretty simple and logical. That would help reduce deaths AND build towards a sustainable society.
I can see some logic to what you are saying, but I certainly don't see it as simple.
It's the QAnon Generation.
There have always been conspiracy theorists but social media has made it worse two ways: (1) it gives everyone an opportunity to make their voices heard, so we are more aware of them and (2) social media allows conspiracy theories to spread and flourish like never before.
Social media could have been the best invention ever. It could turn out to be the worst.
It's a weekend #, but with 13 deaths reported that is Florida's lowest one day total since late June.
How bout rich and powerful industries that have been crushed by this? Why don't they have a say? Or Red states? We know Florida and Texas tried to show the country that this was not a big deal, but they then went on to lead the country in deaths over the last 2 months forcing them to slow and even reintroduce restrictions.
And this is only deaths. We have no idea really how many people will suffer long term consequences. Lots of "long haulers" out there who have been experiencing symptoms for months. Will they ever fully recover?
Other collateral damage to the health care system - healthcare workers overwhelmed, not only getting sick themselves but there is a significant mental illness aspect.
And regarding the issue of comorbidities, people should remember that even if they appear to be healthy, they could have some underlying condition they may not be aware of that could make them more vulnerable. Heart disease is a biggie, how many times do we hear of someone who seemed healthy yet suffered a massive heart attack? It's not unusual for someone to have early stage leukemia and not know it, only to have it discovered by chance during a routine blood test. Many conditions can fester at low levels
It's a really tough problem, balancing the risks to individuals versus the overall cost to society.
This is a ridiculous position to take. A tiny fraction of these people would have died this year if they hadn't gotten COVID. And those same underlying medical conditions exist every year with the flu and as of now, we've had 5-6X as many people die from COVID as die from the flu in a typical year (34K, based on models and the actual numbers are always much less) and if the projections are correct, it'll be about 9X by 12/1, when the next flu season gets going.
You dont know that..we need to see data on other illnesses
then why are excess deaths so high this year??? If these people were gonna die anyway who are all the extra people dying?
Yeah, I lost 180 pounds last September. I got divorced. :)
The White House and its supporters are in a never-ending cycle of: China sent us this virus, the virus isn’t really a threat, the virus has been defeated, bill gates is trying to give everyone horse-shot vaccines and probably funded the virus, the virus is real and HCQ is the magic bullet, it’s only dangerous where Dems are in charge, wear masks if you have to, but make it clear you shouldn’t have to. What a bunch of nonsense.
Other than fast-tracking some treatments, 95% of effort has been in arguing why this isn’t a threat or why someone else is to blame.
Just come up with some kind of plan that involves prevention, and stick with it, and we can all move on for f**k’s sake.
Other than fast-tracking some treatments, 95% of effort has been in arguing why this isn’t a threat or why someone else is to blame.
Just come up with some kind of plan that involves prevention, and stick with it, and we can all move on for f**k’s sake.
Sorry, but that makes no sense. Covid is a very serious virus that statistically kills people that are most compromised. Pandemics will happen again. The best thing you can do to stay healthy and survive any of these viruses is to take care of your body and not depend on medications or the government. Type two diabetes is treatable if you take personal responsibility. So are many forms of heart disease.If you do those things you will survive serious threats like this virus. That’s just a fact.
Yeah we see very little on the news recommending that people do this.
Prior to Covid the obesity problem in this country was most definitely something the news covered.
And there are plenty of articles out making the obesity Covid connection.
So I don't disagree with the idea that a healthier population would prove more resistant to Covid, but I don't agree with the idea that the news is not covering this.
1. No showers seems like a weird rule.
2. This is not the giant crisis you're making it. You'll figure it out. Stain your clothes with sweat ? Do you exercise naked? Just wear gym clothes.
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Best post of this thread in a long, long time. Please keep posting. Your expertise and knowledge are needed here.
People have been hearing for years about eating properly , exercising and avoid stress. Some things we can control and some things you can’t . As you get near a certain age 55-60 ( sometime earlier and sometime later) the aging process or genetics kick in... That is usually in the form of HBP, diabetes , arthritis and diseases such as Parkinson’s , cancer or cardio vascular issues . So this is not completely the fault or negligence of people and their poor lifestyles.... this mantra is being fed to the public and this board... according to my DNA evaluation for possible issues I have no dangerous genetic markers but at the same time I have been told what I should be aware of as I get older... for many type 2 diabetes risk increases in your 70’s especially men... macular degeneration ... and cardiac issues ... but as we say just use our days in college, our tailgating , our drinking etc. fun yes but a price to pay later on perhaps... so those with known morbidities or co- morbidities need to be protected until hopefully a few vaccines are proven worthy ... still having doubts about that.
Who said to not try to stay healthy? That's something everyone should try to do. But the vast majority of deaths caused by COVID, in those with underlying conditions, would not have happened if not for COVID, so ignoring them or "blaming" people for not being as healthy as they could be (not saying you're doing that but many are or are implying it) is both wrong and mean-spirited. It's like hey, they're old and overweight, so who cares? And plenty of healthy people, especially over 50 are dying from this virus, so no, everyone is not going to survive COVID, plus for every person who dies, about 3X that number are hospitalized, with many going through horrible illnesses and some who have lingering symptoms for months.
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Have to say, probably the funniest (at least from a gallows humor perspective) post in the thread.
If the obese people in the country worked on losing weight during the past 6 months, we would be in much better shape against the virus. I actually think the obesity rate went up so far this year. People need to become accountable for their health.
Yes, we do know that, as it's been discussed countless times - maybe pay a little more attention. It's called "excess deaths" vs. normal and the number of excess deaths vs. normal since March is actually well above the COVID death count, which strongly implies even more people have likely died from COVID than have been reported. As of the end of July, we had 146K deaths due to COVID, but 200K excess deaths (i.e., deaths beyond what we would normally expect in that timeframe from all causes), meaning some decent fraction of the "extra" 54K deaths were likely due to COVID, but simply underreported, which can happen during a pandemic.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
Sounds like another bac retweet that will vanish within 24 hours. You really can't complain too much about his mindless tweets polluting the thread because they have a way of cleaning themselves up. Berenson has been at this grift for months. Clay travis had him on his show a couple weeks ago...
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The True Coronavirus Toll in the U.S. Has Already Surpassed 200,000 (Published 2020)
A New York Times analysis shows a high number of deaths above normal — with the most recent rise in excess deaths focused in the South and West.
The CDC site has all the info on excess deaths and it also has data on hospitalizations vs. deaths. Have posted both a few times before...Google is your friend...
Please link me an article that advises people to change their lifestyle as the most effective preventative measure you can take to avoid dying from this virus.
Nobody is saying “Who cares?”. The point is that you the most important thing you can do to improve your resistance and survival from COVID, is to live a healthy lifestyle.
Sorry, that's nowhere near the best preventative measure to keep one from dying from the virus. Not catching the virus in the first place is #1, #2, and #3. Hence all the attention paid to reducing transmissions by distancing/masking and utilizing testing, tracing and isolating to control any outbreaks that do occur. Not doing those things well is how the US has 20-100X the per capita death rates a host of other countries have (and those countries typically also have a small fraction of the cases per capita we have). Underlying conditions would be a tiny fraction of that difference (2x maybe?).
Yes, we do know that, as it's been discussed countless times - maybe pay a little more attention. It's called "excess deaths" vs. normal and the number of excess deaths vs. normal since March is actually well above the COVID death count, which strongly implies even more people have likely died from COVID than have been reported. As of the end of July, we had 146K deaths due to COVID, but 200K excess deaths (i.e., deaths beyond what we would normally expect in that timeframe from all causes), meaning some decent fraction of the "extra" 54K deaths were likely due to COVID, but simply underreported, which can happen during a pandemic.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
Sounds like another bac retweet that will vanish within 24 hours. You really can't complain too much about his mindless tweets polluting the thread because they have a way of cleaning themselves up. Berenson has been at this grift for months. Clay travis had him on his show a couple weeks ago...
The True Coronavirus Toll in the U.S. Has Already Surpassed 200,000 (Published 2020)
A New York Times analysis shows a high number of deaths above normal — with the most recent rise in excess deaths focused in the South and West.www.nytimes.com
Usual suspects. The same folks who want to place the deaths in other categories want to blame Murphy for deaths at LTC facilities. How can you blame Murphy if they were all supposed to die of heart disease.
Forget the fact all this info has been posted multiple times.
Sorry, but you’re wrong. If you start out by avoiding those comorbitities, you are way less likely to succumb to the virus. And if you also practice distancing, wash regularly and use common sense that will improve your chances of minimizing the symptoms and survival. You should also see a physician as soon as you suspect symptoms. People die because they wait too long.
Doesn't this request point to how blockheaded we are as a country?
We already know obesity is terrible for ones health. And there are a bunch of articles that link obesity to covid deaths.
But that is not enough, we need articles and news reports which actually tell us to get in shape in order to be healthy.
And don't get old, because old age and Covid is no good. Too many people get old without thinking about the consequences.
You'll never be able to post enough evidence to convince some of these people. It's not even worth trying - this is just a game for them. Once you answer one question they just pivot to another one that is equally irrelevant.
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