COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Because there were not enough masks. Hospital workers were reusing the same masks for weeks.
The memory of some people is incredibly short.
And one day numbers are significant?
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A lot of that depends on the measuring date. I went through that exercise a few weeks ago and for NJ it was between 55 and 60%. But that could have changed in the intervening period.
Hospitals are not over run in 47 states. Government should not control risk in these 47 states.
Do you think we should wait till we are nearing hospital capacity to do something? Or is it better to be ahead of the curve?
In hindsight, if we had the testing we needed to identify the very beginning of the outbreak, like they had in South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and other places and if everyone practiced distancing/mask wearing (they're complementary ways to slow/stop transmission) from the beginning, we would not have needed to shut down, just like those other countries. In fact, countries like Japan, Vietnam and Thailand didn't even do much testing, but had universal early masking (and excellent contact tracing/isolating) and they've kept cases/deaths far, far below ours and Europe's and parts of South/Central America - and none of these countries ever had to resort to draconian lockdowns. We let the virus spread way too far and fast to have any chance to control it in any way other than lockdowns, at least in the NE US. In my mask recap/review post earlier in this thread I mentioned all of this.
Also, you keep asking all these questions in this thread that I and others have answered before, including links to reputable sources. Did you truly not read these before?
threat, scare, fear...thats what they have to keep it up, its all part of the control, they say its not bad now but its coming and after this the 2nd wave will come
If one days' totals are not representative of the overall numbers then they don't tell us very much.
where is the reputable study and data on masks...i mean the published scientific reports that are generalized used to back up things....just saw the guy on tv who i posted the article about mask panic...he says the studies do not exist...at least in the form that science usually uses
it told us that on one day in a state that always falls in the top 3 deaths per day that 84% came from nursing homes
What part of Covid in NY and NJ did you miss.
What part of what is going on in FL or TX or AZ or CA is not concerning to you?
I guess some people are just more comfortable with their head in the sand then dealing with reality.
Aight and that one day is less then 1% of the days of this ordeal so far.
Are you joking or do you simply not read any of my posts? Earlier today I posted a rehash of a bunch of the science and epidemiology research (and outcomes research) on the effectiveness of masks. Being a scientist who has done all kinds of experiments and read much of the literature on filtration/removal of pathogens (including bacteria/viruses) I can unequivocally tell you that there is zero doubt that masks work to greatly reduce transmissions (not 100%, but close to it when everyone wears them). That's why I came out so early for them back in early/mid-March.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...rventions-and-more.198855/page-2#post-4623412
No, he's trolling now and has been for the past few pages asking questions about things that have all been explained before.
Still skeptical about Moderna... here's the wsj piece on them from today.
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/in...track-record-and-an-unsparing-ceo-11593615205
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/in...track-record-and-an-unsparing-ceo-11593615205
Recent experiment on masks.
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/efficacy-facemasks-coronavirus.php
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/efficacy-facemasks-coronavirus.php
no i am not trolling, i am asking questions because questions need to be asked
this is also disrespectful from you..ive seen this before from you when dealing with other posters you disagree with, you call them trolls...hey guess what, its a pandemic..you have been wrong, fauci has been wrong, trump has been wrong, murphy has been wrong, i have been wrong. Maybe you can check your ego here at the door. You do provide a lot of great stuff here yet your bias on everything and hubris toward other posters challenging your thoughts.....if you knew everything then why arent you working for the pandemic team today.
we need to challenge what we were are told, we have been told a hundred different things this started, i am not blaming anyone, yet everyone is to blame. Trust is another issue. Tough to trust..thats why questions need to be asked
for one I work for a living so I am not here to post all day
2ndly where are the multiple published studies. This guy who is an expert on bat borne illnesses is saying the data is very flimsy and not what science would nornally use...and he does actually support mask wearing in general
lets get back to discussing things instead of looking down on posters and calling them trolls. This is thread is open to all on the board and all opinions.
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Yea, I'm aware, but I'll battle it out. I find just plugging away with facts makes them either accept the reality of the situation, simply go away, or maybe both.
We flatten the curve as requested and lowered the hospitalizations by 85%. Connecticut has gyms and inside dining open for 4 weeks with no issues. What are you going to hide in your basement for 6 months?
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"Facts" over the past few months have been constantly changing. It's good to ask questions and demand evidence. Keep it up!
they want no cases...he cannot identify where the goalpost ends because in some peoples minds it has to keep moving until we have deaths
That was not the political reply I was talking about.
As per the video, Fauci did say masks were effective, and he also said i that video that the reason he is not recommending masks to the general public is because he wanted to preserve what masks we had for the medical professionals.
It's all in the one minute thirty second video.
People acting like Fauci said "masks are not effective" are pushing an obvious agenda.
Some people want to demand evidence and yet provide none themselves.
Interesting ethical conversation regarding the future vaccine:
Researchers Debate Infecting People on Purpose to Test Coronavirus Vaccines
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-trials.html
The technique, called a human challenge trial, has been used to evaluate other vaccines.
One way to quickly see if a coronavirus vaccine works would be to immunize healthy people and then deliberately expose them to the virus, some researchers are suggesting.
Proponents say this strategy, called a human challenge trial, could save time because rather than conducting tests the usual way — by waiting for vaccinated people to encounter the virus naturally — researchers could just infect them.
Challenge trials have been used to test vaccines for typhoid, cholera, malaria and other diseases. For malaria, volunteers have stuck their arms into chambers full of mosquitoes to be bitten and infected. But there were so-called rescue medicines to cure those who got sick. There is no cure for Covid-19.
For both ethical and practical reasons, the idea of challenge trials for a coronavirus vaccine has provoked fierce debate.
Researchers Debate Infecting People on Purpose to Test Coronavirus Vaccines
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-trials.html
The technique, called a human challenge trial, has been used to evaluate other vaccines.
One way to quickly see if a coronavirus vaccine works would be to immunize healthy people and then deliberately expose them to the virus, some researchers are suggesting.
Proponents say this strategy, called a human challenge trial, could save time because rather than conducting tests the usual way — by waiting for vaccinated people to encounter the virus naturally — researchers could just infect them.
Challenge trials have been used to test vaccines for typhoid, cholera, malaria and other diseases. For malaria, volunteers have stuck their arms into chambers full of mosquitoes to be bitten and infected. But there were so-called rescue medicines to cure those who got sick. There is no cure for Covid-19.
For both ethical and practical reasons, the idea of challenge trials for a coronavirus vaccine has provoked fierce debate.
he said it in the video plain and clear, it only took him until last week to clear it up..sorry he takes a huge amount of blame...and remember he wasnt wearing masks at the press conferences at all
is this where they are paying $250K...i mean for some people it might be worth the risk, you are in a controlled environment, if you are healthy and young why not go for it.
you have 145,000 posts. Not here to post all day lol.
Deaths are increasing in each of the states that people highlight as being the current major concerns.
We can also go through the timeline of the covid deniers.
First it was: These states have been opened yet cases are not rising.
Then it went to: Cases are rising, but positivity is still low.
Next was: Cases are up, positivity is up, but hospitalizations are not rising.
Then: Cases are up, positivity is up, hospitalizations are up, but deaths are not up.
Unfortunately we have reached the point where the deaths are rising in those states as well.
Last night the argument turned to yeah deaths are up but the numbers are not significant.
Well you can be sure those deaths will continue to rise until we do something. Hopefully we do something before those fatality numbers become significant.
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