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This is what leadership looks like. Stumbled across this story tonight from 5 years ago. The pic is of Dr. Fauci suiting up to treat an Ebola patient back in 2015, as he says he "gets unique insights into disease when you actually physically interact with patients" and he also wanted to show his staff that he wouldn't ask them to do anything he wouldn't do himself.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/why-nihs-anthony-fauci-treating-ebola-patients-himself

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McConnel and Graham coming out in support of Fauci was a good thing. Need more of that.
 
This is what leadership looks like. Stumbled across this story tonight from 5 years ago. The pic is of Dr. Fauci suiting up to treat an Ebola patient back in 2015, as he says he "gets unique insights into disease when you actually physically interact with patients" and he also wanted to show his staff that he wouldn't ask them to do anything he wouldn't do himself.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/why-nihs-anthony-fauci-treating-ebola-patients-himself

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I have nothing against the guy and am not political about the topic at all, but I wonder what makes this so unique. He's a doctor, so the fact that he is treating patients to me doesn't merit some kind of leadership award. So while it's an interesting story about a guy who is probably being unfairly scapegoated and who has the right intentions, I'm not sure about this showing his leadership gravitas.
 

There are still major gaps in our knowledge: how many people have such unknown-coronavirus-induced T-cells? How protective are they? How long-lasting is the T-cell response in people who have been infected with the current SARS CoV-2 virus, and how protective is it in the declining-antibody situation that seems to be common? What sorts of T cell responses will be induced by the various vaccine candidates? We just don’t know yet. But we’re going to find out.

What it all boils down to right here. Good post about T-Cells
 
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That's a very interesting point. Most people discount the effects of this virus on the younger subsets because the hospitalization and death rates are so low. But those long term effects are unknown.

This is what leadership looks like. Stumbled across this story tonight from 5 years ago. The pic is of Dr. Fauci suiting up to treat an Ebola patient back in 2015, as he says he "gets unique insights into disease when you actually physically interact with patients" and he also wanted to show his staff that he wouldn't ask them to do anything he wouldn't do himself.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/why-nihs-anthony-fauci-treating-ebola-patients-himself

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Well...at least he was wearing a mask.


How did New York fail? Do you realize what that graph would look like had there been no lock down? Up to this point, the measures taken have neutralized and greatly reduced the spread of this virus and resulting death rate. According to the graph you posted, the fact NY had such a high peak in deaths and subsequently went below Sweden's death rate is an absolute success.
 
Yeah, Sweden's way worked for them.
Been said a hundred times, but given their death rate compared to their neighbors I don't think it can be said, at this point, that it worked for them.

Now, as has also been discussed, the question of why their curve has come down so dramatically is an interesting one.
 
In bringing up Sweden and their lack of gov't mandated measures, and comparing their curves to US states, let's not forget that Texas and Florida had to slow down their recent reopening's. There are very few states in this country who have not (or are not currently) had significant issues with Covid.

And if you look at Sweden's death rate's they too had serious problems with the virus.
 
Been said a hundred times, but given their death rate compared to their neighbors I don't think it can be said, at this point, that it worked for them.

Now, as has also been discussed, the question of why their curve has come down so dramatically is an interesting one.

The answer to so many questions is because we, as Americans, can't handle being told what to do. We can't make decisions on what's best for everyone. Instead we are fighting over issues like the efficacy of a mask wearing. There is a sense of responsibility to others in countries like Sweden.
 
Is there any good literature on how this disease can cause lung damage without symptoms? It's the "without symptoms" that doesn't make sense to me. Was talking with a friend who is a doctor who worked a COVID ER in CT back in March-May and she said she was unaware of any other disease that caused this level of damage without presenting with symptoms.
 
The answer to so many questions is because we, as Americans, can't handle being told what to do. We can't make decisions on what's best for everyone. Instead we are fighting over issues like the efficacy of a mask wearing. There is a sense of responsibility to others in countries like Sweden.
Masks are a funny topic in that, if people just wore them on their own, then the gov't would not need to mandate them. So by not doing what very much appears to be the smart thing to do, the non mask wearers are inviting the very thing they are most concerned about, that being gov't intervention.
 
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Is there any good literature on how this disease can cause lung damage without symptoms? It's the "without symptoms" that doesn't make sense to me. Was talking with a friend who is a doctor who worked a COVID ER in CT back in March-May and she said she was unaware of any other disease that caused this level of damage without presenting with symptoms.
ya, does seem to be counterintuitive.
 
This is what leadership looks like. Stumbled across this story tonight from 5 years ago. The pic is of Dr. Fauci suiting up to treat an Ebola patient back in 2015, as he says he "gets unique insights into disease when you actually physically interact with patients" and he also wanted to show his staff that he wouldn't ask them to do anything he wouldn't do himself.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/why-nihs-anthony-fauci-treating-ebola-patients-himself

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Its more likely some big media company was doing a story on ebola and he wanted to hog the spotlight.. even willing to risk his life to do so.
 
Been said a hundred times, but given their death rate compared to their neighbors I don't think it can be said, at this point, that it worked for them.

Now, as has also been discussed, the question of why their curve has come down so dramatically is an interesting one.

When looking at Sweden compared to it's Nordic Neighbors there are some differences. Much of Sweden's population lives the more dense south of the country which extends further south then Finland and Norway. Stockholm is much denser than Oslo or Helsinki and Sweden receives many more international travelers than both of those countries.
 
Any thoughts on this? In an earlier tweet, he was questioning (seemingly mocking) the panic. This guy on Twitter does not seem very political, and he is no dummy:


More people died last week than the week before, and we can say with a degree of confidence that more people will have died this week (at its conclusion) than last week. Splitting it out by age doesn’t change that. 7 day moving average is up 47% from its low on July 5th.

That doesn’t mean we should panic. However, this follows a seemingly steep increase in cases, and some of these week over week death movements are meaningful % increases. Those are troubling trends that deserve not panic, but observation and analysis — possibly also action.
 
Any thoughts on this? In an earlier tweet, he was questioning (seemingly mocking) the panic. This guy on Twitter does not seem very political, and he is no dummy:

From the fine print below the graph:
"Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that time period"

I asked this the other day. Are these guys purposely being dishonest or do they still not understand that there is a lag in reporting? Even when this information is printed just below the graph.

Deaths have increased over the last 2 weeks. I expect that upward trend to continue as the deaths follow the large uptick in cases.

Edit: I'm not on twitter, but people who are should go point this out to these guys.
 
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When looking at Sweden compared to it's Nordic Neighbors there are some differences. Much of Sweden's population lives the more dense south of the country which extends further south then Finland and Norway. Stockholm is much denser than Oslo or Helsinki and Sweden receives many more international travelers than both of those countries.
All info which should not be ignored.

But saying Sweden has been a success story when they have 552 deaths per million while Finland has 59 deaths per million?

That math doesn't add up.

I understand NYC is in a much much different situation then Texas, but I'm certainly not calling NYC or NJ a success story.
 
When looking at Sweden compared to it's Nordic Neighbors there are some differences. Much of Sweden's population lives the more dense south of the country which extends further south then Finland and Norway. Stockholm is much denser than Oslo or Helsinki and Sweden receives many more international travelers than both of those countries.

In addition to the aforementioned per capita death rates, they defied the typical curve seen across the world (sharp increase, peak, fairly sharp decline, and built an American style elongated, double hump kind of thing.
 
Florida posts another new record with 156 deaths today. Thursday of last week was the first time they posted 100 deaths, the previous record was 83 deaths in April. The highest total in June was from early in the month with 70. They now have four 100+ days in the last 8 days.

But yeah, the deaths are continuing to decline.
 
Florida posts another new record with 156 deaths today. Thursday of last week was the first time they posted 100 deaths, the previous record was 83 deaths in April. The highest total in June was from early in the month with 70. They now have four 100+ days in the last 8 days.

But yeah, the deaths are continuing to decline.
No more argument, you win. New cases in the US moving up to 70,000+ a day.
 
Any thoughts on this? In an earlier tweet, he was questioning (seemingly mocking) the panic. This guy on Twitter does not seem very political, and he is no dummy:


That graphic is a load of crap. CDC data on death certificates is known to have a significant lag, which they acknowledge and is why their total on that page is about 20K behind the actual count seen on JHU, Worldometers, etc. - below is their full disclaimer. Further below is the most recent US deaths per day data and clearly deaths are trending significantly upwards and will almost certainly be back above 1000/day shortly.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis, and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more.

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All info which should not be ignored.

But saying Sweden has been a success story when they have 552 deaths per million while Finland has 59 deaths per million?

That math doesn't add up.

I understand NYC is in a much much different situation then Texas, but I'm certainly not calling NYC or NJ a success story.

Not suggesting that Sweden is a success story. But I think we have to do comparisons on relevant characteristics which drive the disease. Population Density, Number of international travelers, and condition and number of the elderly. As an example I read a large portion of Germany's elderly live in their own homes where as Italy there are many multi-generational households.
 
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Its more likely some big media company was doing a story on ebola and he wanted to hog the spotlight.. even willing to risk his life to do so.
Maybe read the article or do a little research on Fauci before making ridiculous comments. The article even has the two comments, below, and another article linked in the story talks about how he goes to the NIH Clinical Center to see patients 3 days a week. It's part of his 16-hour day and has been for his whole career.

But the past 2 weeks, Fauci, 74, has reserved 2 hours on most days to put on a protective plastic suit and help treat a U.S. health care worker who became infected with Ebola in Sierra Leone.

A medical doctor who has headed NIAID for 30 years, Fauci has treated countless patients at the Clinical Center of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)—of which NIAID is a part—in Bethesda, Maryland. "I do believe that one gets unique insights into disease when you actually physically interact with patients," he says.
 
Not suggesting that Sweden is a success story. But I think we have to do comparisons on relevant characteristics which drive the disease. Population Density, Number of international travelers, and condition and number of the elderly. As an example I read a large portion of Germany's elderly live in their own homes where as Italy there are many multi-generational households.
That’s true with the Northeast where kids don’t move out till they are in their 30’s if they aren’t married and Texas where kids move out in their teens because it’s more affordable than the NE.
 
I have nothing against the guy and am not political about the topic at all, but I wonder what makes this so unique. He's a doctor, so the fact that he is treating patients to me doesn't merit some kind of leadership award. So while it's an interesting story about a guy who is probably being unfairly scapegoated and who has the right intentions, I'm not sure about this showing his leadership gravitas.

My post had zero to do with politics so no idea why you're even bringing that up. It's organizational scientific leadership to me and many others because many to most senior scientific leaders in their fields, including doctors (the guy runs a $4B/year organization), get too far away from their "base" once they're in leadership positions and this usually results in them becoming out of touch with the science in their fields. There are tons of doctors in the NIH/NIAID and most of these folks see the head guy modeling the desired behavior of keeping in touch with one's scientific roots, even when at the top and that's an important message to send.
 
Maybe read the article or do a little research on Fauci before making ridiculous comments. The article even has the two comments, below, and another article linked in the story talks about how he goes to the NIH Clinical Center to see patients 3 days a week. It's part of his 16-hour day and has been for his whole career.

But the past 2 weeks, Fauci, 74, has reserved 2 hours on most days to put on a protective plastic suit and help treat a U.S. health care worker who became infected with Ebola in Sierra Leone.

A medical doctor who has headed NIAID for 30 years, Fauci has treated countless patients at the Clinical Center of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)—of which NIAID is a part—in Bethesda, Maryland. "I do believe that one gets unique insights into disease when you actually physically interact with patients," he says.
He gives every indication of being a very intelligent, good person. Not sure why people would attack him. Because he may have made some mistakes in the midst of a rapidly evolving, changing, overwhelming situation?

I wonder how well his critics would have done in his shoes.
 
Florida posts another new record with 156 deaths today. Thursday of last week was the first time they posted 100 deaths, the previous record was 83 deaths in April. The highest total in June was from early in the month with 70. They now have four 100+ days in the last 8 days.

But yeah, the deaths are continuing to decline.

A bit more on FL:

Three weeks ago, June 25th, FL had a rolling seven day total of 265 deaths, a 7 day moving average of 38, and posted 44 deaths.

Two weeks ago, July 2nd, FL had a rolling seven day total of 289 deaths (9% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 41, and posted 64 deaths.

One week ago, July 9th: seven day total of 391 (35% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 56, and reported 119 deaths.

Today: 7 day total of 668 (71% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 95, reported 156 deaths.

That accelerating week over week % climb is probably what keeps public officials up at night.
 
A bit more on FL:

Three weeks ago, June 25th, FL had a rolling seven day total of 265 deaths, a 7 day moving average of 38, and posted 44 deaths.

Two weeks ago, July 2nd, FL had a rolling seven day total of 289 deaths (9% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 41, and posted 64 deaths.

One week ago, July 9th: seven day total of 391 (35% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 56, and reported 119 deaths.

Today: 7 day total of 668 (71% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 95, reported 156 deaths.

That accelerating week over week % climb is probably what keeps public officials up at night.


7dma was 30 on June 18th. It's 90 today. Tripled in less then a month. Still not a huge overall # for a state that big, but I think we are in a "significant increase" phase.
 
That's a very interesting point. Most people discount the effects of this virus on the younger subsets because the hospitalization and death rates are so low. But those long term effects are unknown.



Well...at least he was wearing a mask.



How did New York fail? Do you realize what that graph would look like had there been no lock down? Up to this point, the measures taken have neutralized and greatly reduced the spread of this virus and resulting death rate. According to the graph you posted, the fact NY had such a high peak in deaths and subsequently went below Sweden's death rate is an absolute success.

1000 x.

No other parents worried about the unknowns of their children developing long-term respiratory issues should they catch it at school or elsewhere?
 
7dma was 30 on June 18th. It's 90 today. Tripled in less then a month. Still not a huge overall # for a state that big, but I think we are in a "significant increase" phase.

In my previous long posts on this, I noted that NJ's ~300 deaths/day peak would equate to ~720 deaths/day for FL (normalizing on a per capita basis) and my current guess is we'll see FL death rates that peak around 33-66% of NJ's given younger infected population and improved procedures/treatments. 30 deaths/day was about 4% of NJ's and 90 is about 13%, so they're still well below NJ's rate, but climbing pretty rapidly. Thinking my guess is a decent one, since Arizona is at about 30% of NJ's rate (with daily spikes over 40% of NJ's rate) and they're over a week ahead of FL in their peak.
 
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A bit more on FL:

Three weeks ago, June 25th, FL had a rolling seven day total of 265 deaths, a 7 day moving average of 38, and posted 44 deaths.

Two weeks ago, July 2nd, FL had a rolling seven day total of 289 deaths (9% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 41, and posted 64 deaths.

One week ago, July 9th: seven day total of 391 (35% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 56, and reported 119 deaths.

Today: 7 day total of 668 (71% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 95, reported 156 deaths.

That accelerating week over week % climb is probably what keeps public officials up at night.

Prime example of exponential growth that this virus is capable of and proof that the public should be distancing and wearing masks when appropriate. States like Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc. danced with the Devil by quickly opening up without many restrictions and might soon (in reality already are) be paying in multiples for it.
 
A bit more on FL:

Three weeks ago, June 25th, FL had a rolling seven day total of 265 deaths, a 7 day moving average of 38, and posted 44 deaths.

Two weeks ago, July 2nd, FL had a rolling seven day total of 289 deaths (9% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 41, and posted 64 deaths.

One week ago, July 9th: seven day total of 391 (35% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 56, and reported 119 deaths.

Today: 7 day total of 668 (71% week over week increase); 7 day moving average of 95, reported 156 deaths.

That accelerating week over week % climb is probably what keeps public officials up at night.

Some good graphs in the first article. They really need to get their positive test % down closer to 5%. Good thing is 75% of cases are from people younger than 55. Bad thing is they are still filling up hospitals. 54 FL hospitals have no ICU beds left. Would not want to live in Florida right now

https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/f...increase-in-covid-19-hospitalizations-deaths/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...cu-bed-shortage-state-passes-300-000-n1233899
 
In my previous long posts on this, I noted that NJ's ~300 deaths/day peak would equate to ~720 deaths/day for FL (normalizing on a per capita basis) and my current guess is we'll see FL death rates that peak around 33-66% of NJ's given younger infected population and improved procedures/treatments. 30 deaths/day was about 4% of NJ's and 90 is about 13%, so they're still well below NJ's rate, but climbing pretty rapidly. Thinking my guess is a decent one, since Arizona is at about 30% of NJ's rate (with daily spikes over 40% of NJ's rate) and they're over a week ahead of FL in their peak.

See below regarding mounting nursing home infections in FL. They had time to learn from what went wrong in NY / NJ, but containing this virus is a bit like a fighting a forest fire; the fire can dance with the wind around the fire line. Given FL’s elderly demographics, we could really see the numbers shoot up if efforts to protect nursing homes break down.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/15/florida-nursing-homes-see-infections-surge-as-workers-spread-virus-1301255
 
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Any thoughts on the blood type discussion? Some seem to think type A is at higher risk; others dispute that finding, but say type O appears to be at lower risk. Others seeing no links at all.

Any notable diseases that have a blood type association?
 
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