COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[WhiteBus]

I think they will likely do it on a close to break even scenario. Can you imagine the PR if they held the world hostage on extortionate pricing of a vaccine during a pandemic? The backlash would be crippling.

**Speculating here** wonder if the government could do like a "eminent domain" on intellectual property if they tried to set the price at like 10k a treatment?

I don't understand your thinking they should work on a break even point as a PR move. If this is successful no one would care if they made a profit. It is what the do and do very well. Not only there isn't eminent domain they will have a 10 year patent rights to their particular vaccine.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

He is like the stupid kid in class, who does no homework all semester and comes to the teacher in the last week asking how he can improve his grade.

Really?

^^^^more politics, more dopeyness

Calling @RUevolution36

 

[RUevolution36]

^^^^more politics, more dopeyness

Calling @RUevolution36

not politics if it's the truth :P

 

[RUkrazy89]

I don't understand your thinking they should work on a break even point as a PR move. If this is successful no one would care if they made a profit. It is what the do and do very well. Not only there isn't eminent domain they will have a 10 year patent rights to their particular vaccine.

Right, I think we are in agreement here? I am saying they can't/shouldn't make the vaccine available for very high prices...the backlash would be unprecedented. Talk about the "cancel culture"..

I was speculating on the latter half. I am just curious if they wanted to jack up the prices, call it 10k a treatment...could the government take their patent or something for better of the country? Does that make more sense? I was comparing it to eminent domain.. giving them "fair market value" or something.

 

[RUevolution36]

Right, I think we are in agreement here? I am saying they can't/shouldn't make the vaccine available for very high prices...the backlash would be unprecedented. Talk about the "cancel culture"..

I was speculating on the latter half. I am just curious if they wanted to jack up the prices, call it 10k a treatment...could the government take their patent or something for better of the country? Does that make more sense? I was comparing it to eminent domain.. giving them "fair market value" or something.

there would be serious future consequences if that were to ever happen. what pharma would ever want to take on the R&D in a pandemic if their IP was likely to be taken from them and they would incur losses that would affect their ability to create and sell other new products?

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

not politics if it's the truth :P

 

[Tango Two]

The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth



Almost daily now we’ve been reading about how daily deaths from COVID-19 have reached record highs. It’s a scary prospect. But the truth is the mainstream press is grossly misleading the public by misreporting the death counts.

...

The last story is particularly illuminating because the website the PBS article links to includes a chart of daily deaths in the state. It lists only six deaths on July 19. What’s more, the chart shows that there have only been two days where deaths exceeded 65.

So where did that scary 147 number come from? The same place all the other “surging” numbers come from. Each day Arizona and other states file reports on how many people died from COVID-19. It’s not a measure of how many died that day. In most cases, the people died days or even weeks earlier.

In fact, in Arizona’s case, 106 of the reported deaths on Saturday resulted from a periodic review of death certificates.



More Here:

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth



Almost daily now we’ve been reading about how daily deaths from COVID-19 have reached record highs. It’s a scary prospect. But the truth is the mainstream press is grossly misleading the public by misreporting the death counts.

...

The last story is particularly illuminating because the website the PBS article links to includes a chart of daily deaths in the state. It lists only six deaths on July 19. What’s more, the chart shows that there have only been two days where deaths exceeded 65.

So where did that scary 147 number come from? The same place all the other “surging” numbers come from. Each day Arizona and other states file reports on how many people died from COVID-19. It’s not a measure of how many died that day. In most cases, the people died days or even weeks earlier.

In fact, in Arizona’s case, 106 of the reported deaths on Saturday resulted from a periodic review of death certificates.



More Here:

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth

This is actually even more misleading than the data it purports to call misleading. Reporting lag or not, rolling seven day deaths in AZ has increased steadily from 165 on June 23rd to 540 as of today — following an uptick in cases. If in fact reporting does lag significantly, that only tells me the timing of the pattern is skewed, but not the pattern itself...leaving open the possibility that actual deaths on July 19th (to borrow the sample used by the article) could be larger than both 7 (reported deaths that actually occurred on that day) and the reported number that includes deaths on other days.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

 

[Greg2020]

The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth



Almost daily now we’ve been reading about how daily deaths from COVID-19 have reached record highs. It’s a scary prospect. But the truth is the mainstream press is grossly misleading the public by misreporting the death counts.

...

The last story is particularly illuminating because the website the PBS article links to includes a chart of daily deaths in the state. It lists only six deaths on July 19. What’s more, the chart shows that there have only been two days where deaths exceeded 65.

So where did that scary 147 number come from? The same place all the other “surging” numbers come from. Each day Arizona and other states file reports on how many people died from COVID-19. It’s not a measure of how many died that day. In most cases, the people died days or even weeks earlier.

In fact, in Arizona’s case, 106 of the reported deaths on Saturday resulted from a periodic review of death certificates.



More Here:

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth

fake news.

 

[WhiteBus]

Read carefully. I said "this deal". Let's deal with the future as it happens. And remember, if this vaccine doesn't get approved, they will lose hundreds of millions (perhaps a billion). Huge risk for Pfizer.

I have not read any news source that this deal is for free.

 

[RUevolution36]

The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth



Almost daily now we’ve been reading about how daily deaths from COVID-19 have reached record highs. It’s a scary prospect. But the truth is the mainstream press is grossly misleading the public by misreporting the death counts.

...

The last story is particularly illuminating because the website the PBS article links to includes a chart of daily deaths in the state. It lists only six deaths on July 19. What’s more, the chart shows that there have only been two days where deaths exceeded 65.

So where did that scary 147 number come from? The same place all the other “surging” numbers come from. Each day Arizona and other states file reports on how many people died from COVID-19. It’s not a measure of how many died that day. In most cases, the people died days or even weeks earlier.

In fact, in Arizona’s case, 106 of the reported deaths on Saturday resulted from a periodic review of death certificates.



More Here:

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth

As a moderator, you should know not to post articles from non-reputable sites. This is even worse than posting Fox or CNN stuff. Shame on you.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth



Almost daily now we’ve been reading about how daily deaths from COVID-19 have reached record highs. It’s a scary prospect. But the truth is the mainstream press is grossly misleading the public by misreporting the death counts.

...

The last story is particularly illuminating because the website the PBS article links to includes a chart of daily deaths in the state. It lists only six deaths on July 19. What’s more, the chart shows that there have only been two days where deaths exceeded 65.

So where did that scary 147 number come from? The same place all the other “surging” numbers come from. Each day Arizona and other states file reports on how many people died from COVID-19. It’s not a measure of how many died that day. In most cases, the people died days or even weeks earlier.

In fact, in Arizona’s case, 106 of the reported deaths on Saturday resulted from a periodic review of death certificates.



More Here:

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth

Ban yourself, please ....

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Ban yourself, please ....

Why?

Because it's not something you saw on MSDNC or CNN?

 

[thegock]

The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth



Almost daily now we’ve been reading about how daily deaths from COVID-19 have reached record highs. It’s a scary prospect. But the truth is the mainstream press is grossly misleading the public by misreporting the death counts.

...

The last story is particularly illuminating because the website the PBS article links to includes a chart of daily deaths in the state. It lists only six deaths on July 19. What’s more, the chart shows that there have only been two days where deaths exceeded 65.

So where did that scary 147 number come from? The same place all the other “surging” numbers come from. Each day Arizona and other states file reports on how many people died from COVID-19. It’s not a measure of how many died that day. In most cases, the people died days or even weeks earlier.

In fact, in Arizona’s case, 106 of the reported deaths on Saturday resulted from a periodic review of death certificates.



More Here:

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth

Just wondering if you realize that "issuesinsights" article actually supports the logical inference that deaths are always cumulatively underreported at any point in time.

You do, right?

There are other death certificates that will be reviewed in the future and those added to the cumulative count. Therefore, the cumulative mortality toll today and every day is always understated by some amount. Unless you think that those shouldn't count?

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

Why?

Because it's not something you saw on MSDNC or CNN?

Because if you said to someone “100 deaths are being reported today, 10 happened today and 90 happened over the past several days.” And that person responded: “oh, only 10 people died today.” You would correct them, and say: “no, 10 of today’s reported deaths happened today.”

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Just wondering if you realize that "issuesinsights" article actually supports the logical inference that deaths are always cumulatively underreported at any point in time.

You do, right?

There are other death certificates that will be reviewed in the future and those added to the cumulative count. Therefore, the cumulative mortality toll today and every day is always understated by some amount. Unless you think that those shouldn't count?

Until the daily numbers do level off or start decreasing there will be over counting for some period. You get that, right?

 

[WhiteBus]

Right, I think we are in agreement here? I am saying they can't/shouldn't make the vaccine available for very high prices...the backlash would be unprecedented. Talk about the "cancel culture"..

I was speculating on the latter half. I am just curious if they wanted to jack up the prices, call it 10k a treatment...could the government take their patent or something for better of the country? Does that make more sense? I was comparing it to eminent domain.. giving them "fair market value" or something.

They have been very public that there will be no huge price tag on this. But they will and should make some serious cash.
I doubt they can take over a patent when the US is under contract for 100 million doses and an option for up to 500 million more. What would their legal reason by to overturn extremely strong patent law? They already have succured access.

 

[thegock]

Until the daily numbers do level off or start decreasing there will be over counting for some period. You get that, right?

I simply don't think that a cumulative undercount should be referred to as an "overcount."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please explain why this is wrong.

 

[RU848789]

Ban yourself, please ....

Agreed - how he's allowed to be a moderator and post complete BS is beyond me. He has yet to post anything of real value in this thread. He should stick to sports news and other topics which he does very well on.

The worst thing in that story is trying to use CDC's recent counts as some sort of "proof" that deaths are not rising, when their site clearly states that offiicial death certificates are often weeks behind. The aggregating sites are reporting reasonably close to real time from actual state reports, which should be at least reasonably accurate. If someone wants to criticize the media for overemphasizing high death days, have at it - that's what they do with this and everything else, trying to create a response (all of them do this), which is why I rarely watch. However, there's no doubt deaths are trending upwards, although, as I painstakingly detailed last night and in previous posts, not to the level seen in the first wave here, for very good reasons (younger/less serious cases, given actual testing in place to find these, combined with significantly improved procedures/treatments).

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

I simply don't think that a cumulative undercount should be referred to as an "overcount."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please explain why this is wrong.

Not wrong mathematically... it will be misleading in real time when daily counts are dropping (improving) and the headlines are reporting "surges" (aka worsening).

 

[RU848789]

SIAP, but didn't see it yet. New data from CDC published in both JAMA (round 1) and their web site (has both rounds, but no nice data tables) on two rounds of antibody population testing to evaluate the seroprevalence (% of people infected) in various parts of the US. Nothing strikingly new, e.g., it shows NYC had 6.9% infected in early April and then had 23.2% by early May, which is pretty close to the 20% result in NYC in late April by NY State testing (certainly within the margin of error). NYC was retested by the State in mid-June and it went up only a little (given shutdowns and much lower case rates), to 21.6%.

They also collected data on CT (5.2% in late May), Philly (3.6% in late May), South Florida (2.9% in late April), Missouri (2.8% in late May), Minnesota (2.2% in late May), Utah (1.1% in late May), Western Washington (2.1% in early May) and list as pending round two for SF (only 1% in round 1) and Louisiana (5.9% in round 1). Will be nice to see the final data when they're in. Overall, the data confirmed close to a 10:1 ratio (overall - ranges were pretty wide in each state) of infections by antibody testing to infections by viral PCR assay.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...virus-rates-10-times-higher-reported-n1234480

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...cial-labs-interactive-serology-dashboard.html

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2768834

 

[King of S]

Only 1 Covid death in NJ yesterday. They are finally providing accurate numbers.

 

[King of S]

Only 1 Covid death in NJ yesterday. They are finally providing accurate numbers.

N.J. coronavirus death toll now at 15,707 after state reduces probable fatalities. Total cases climb to 177,645.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...e-fatalities-total-cases-climb-to-177645.html

 

[RU848789]

Tantalizing paper on bromhexine-HCl salt, an old drug used as a mucolytic agent (which they think works to prevent viruses entering the cell by inhibiting the transmembrane serine protease enzyme), showing statistically significant reductions in ICU cases and mortalities in a fairly small (39 patients in each arm) open-label, randomized, controlled study, conducted in Iran. The Iran part makes me skittish, as does the open-label part (see the Iran comment, as open label means it's much easier to stack the deck), but if this can be replicated somewhere, this would be pretty big news - a fair amount of skepticism in the scientific social media world, too. Still, surprised this hasn't gotten more press so far. Link/excerpt below.

https://bi.tbzmed.ac.ir/Files/Inpress/bi-23240.pdf

Results: A total of 78 patients with similar demographic and disease characteristics were enrolled. There was a significant reduction in ICU admissions (2 out of 39 vs. 11 out of 39, P=0.006), intubation (1 out of 39 vs. 9 out of 39, P=0.007) and death (0 vs. 5, P=0.027) in the bromhexine treated group compared to the standard group. No patients were withdrawn from the study because of adverse effects.

 

[RUBOB72]

Iran ?????? That sounds like a legitimate highly believable study ...people question everything so for most this would sound like fake medical news.

 

[Wolv RU]

This is actually even more misleading than the data it purports to call misleading. Reporting lag or not, rolling seven day deaths in AZ has increased steadily from 165 on June 23rd to 540 as of today — following an uptick in cases. If in fact reporting does lag significantly, that only tells me the timing of the pattern is skewed, but not the pattern itself...leaving open the possibility that actual deaths on July 19th (to borrow the sample used by the article) could be larger than both 7 (reported deaths that actually occurred on that day) and the reported number that includes deaths on other days.

I think the headline is misleading. But, I do think the point of the article is that we don't actually know current conditions and really only know past conditions, based on deaths alone. The article suggests that reported deaths on a day could really mean the "peak" already passed 2 or 3 weeks ago. Because there's a lag in reporting, we won't know whether this is true or not for a few weeks from now.

To me, the best single piece of data that actually provides current trends is and has always been hospitalizations, since they don't lag that much from the onset of infection, are reported pretty quickly, and don't depend much on how many are tested. Not to mention, most of the goal to me is limiting spread to at least a degree where hospitals can handle the present situation. In the specific case of Arizona, it could actually be that the number hospitalized has decreased, so things are actually getting better and not worse right now, no matter what the "reported daily deaths" are.

 

[bac2therac]

As a moderator, you should know not to post articles from non-reputable sites. This is even worse than posting Fox or CNN stuff. Shame on you.

i have seen stuff posted from ny times here and they are no longer legitimate in most eyes

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

i have seen stuff posted from ny times here and they are no longer legitimate in most eyes

Most of the people who view the Times as illegitimate are dissatisfied with the conclusions of their sourced reporting. That’s an important footnote.

 

[RUevolution36]

i have seen stuff posted from ny times here and they are no longer legitimate in most eyes

"most" is a bit of an overstatement.

 

[RUevolution36]

really like the phony Russian stuff that they pushed 3 years ago that has been debunked in the last 2 weeks by release of fbi memos that refute their reporting as it was happening...you mean that, i bet you didnt even know because all of the msm including the nytimes who peddled this 24/7 for 3 years dropped it like a hot potato for obvious reasons.

No, they were definitely covering it. It was on every news site. It's also why Mueller and others have provided their rebuttal, which was also covered by most sources...except the MAGA crowd ignored the refutation because it didn't fit with their woe-is-me agenda.

Back to COVID though. CA reporting a record number of cases today. Whatever they're trying to do, it's not working. Feels like stricter lockdowns will be coming soon.

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

really like the phony Russian stuff that they pushed 3 years ago that has been debunked in the last 2 weeks by release of fbi memos that refute their reporting as it was happening...you mean that, i bet you didnt even know because all of the msm including the nytimes who peddled this 24/7 for 3 years dropped it like a hot potato for obvious reasons.

They are holding the potato, and writing lengthy articles about it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...politics/steele-dossier-peter-strzok.amp.html

“The documents included an F.B.I. memorecounting a three-day interview in January 2017 with a person who served as a primary source for Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer who compiled the dossier for a research firm paid by Democrats. They also included an F.B.I. agent’s notes disputing aspects of a New York Times article the next month.”

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

Alabama with a new high today; Georgia with its highest death count since April, and South Carolina goes over 50 for the third time in the last seven days, after staying below that number through the spring. Louisiana with its highest number since May 18th. Nevada matched its high of the crisis (previously set yesterday).

If improved patient profile and treatment methods prevent an NY / NJ type crush of mortalities, we’ll avoid this spring’s horrible totals, but it seems like we are definitely seeing a broader, gradual lift of death counts (doesn’t seem like recent increases are an aberration) following a month or so of seemingly unmitigated transmission across parts of the country.

 

[RUBOB72]

Most of the people who view the Times as illegitimate are dissatisfied with the conclusions of their sourced reporting. That’s an important footnote.

Their reporting is a far cry from what they were many years ago. They have digressed into a sinfully misleading tabloid lending itself to mistruths and defaming anyone who appears to disagree with their outlandish hit jobs. The targeting of people and their families has been a primary source of pleasure for the NYT.

 

[Greg2020]

i have seen stuff posted from ny times here and they are no longer legitimate in most eyes

you and your qanon people are not most.

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

Their reporting is a far cry from what they were many years ago. They have digressed into a sinfully misleading tabloid lending itself to mistruths and defaming anyone who appears to disagree with their outlandish hit jobs. The targeting of people and their families has been a primary source of pleasure for the NYT.

Tucker Carlson posts on this board!

 

[RUevolution36]

Ohio joining the mask party. DeWine ordering masks in public except when eating/exercising/drinking and for those under 10 or with underlying conditions.

 

[RU848789]

i have seen stuff posted from ny times here and they are no longer legitimate in most eyes

Your worst post ever. Maybe 10% of the country, i.e., the far, far right, who have almost no command of reality, believes the NY Times is not legitimate.

 

[RUBOB72]

Tucker Carlson posts on this board!

No that’s my view point not Carlson but yes if you refer to the NYT reporter who is threatening to release his address then you would be correct. Would you like to have your address exposed and family stressed because of your political position? I think not. Be careful of what people are wishing for ... you may learn to regret it .

 

[RobertG]

Your worst post ever. Maybe 10% of the country, i.e., the far, far right, who have almost no command of reality, believes the NY Times is not legitimate.

I will disagree with you on this. But this is not the thread and I will not go any further, But see the 1619 project and the resignation letter of Bari Weiss