At this point, Greg's ego would love to turn this program around. The argument could be made that Rutgers is perceived to be even worse now, than when he took it over in 2001.
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6 win ceiling? C'mon, even Flood won 8 with Greg's players in our first year in the B1G.Like VKJ, I would relent too. But, that only reflects just how crappy the current situation is.
Schiano and his 6 win ceiling would be light years ahead of Ash. The problem is, He would only be the life raft....We would still need someone else to pull us in at some point.
At this point, Hobbs has to make it perfectly clear to Ash that he needs to wake the fux up. Tell him we are not afraid to fire his ass and eat his contract even prior to the year end. Fux- I lay it out to him for this week- we have to have over 400 yds and they have to have under 400yds. Who wins, does not even matter so much. At least show something, anything. You just cant have an excuse for 3 years of being the worst offense in the nation.
He may find a way to 8 wins every 4-5 years or so but he will be a 5-7 win guy on the norm.6 win ceiling? C'mon, even Flood won 8 with Greg's players in our first year in the B1G.
To be fair that is most likely the ceiling for ANY coach we bring in unless we are going to steal away a Myer type guy. If Schiano came here and got us to 8 wins I think his recruiting with the big ten behind him would go through the roof.He may find a way to 8 wins every 4-5 years or so but he will be a 5-7 win guy on the norm.
His 06-09 teams could have been respectable in any conference. Quite honestly, it was his coaching that helped us get there but also stopped us from taking that next step. I will also say that during many of those years, the BE was very top heavy and the bottom half were never real slouches either. But, the conference lacked Great HC’s.How can you say 5-7 win seasons without any evidence to back it up?
Schiano has a proven track record of beating Big 10 teams when he was recruiting the Big East. He went 3-0 against B10 opponents (Maryland in Acc at the time, Illinois, and Michigan State) from 2005 forward.
A Schiano led team would certainly lose some wtf games to the lower half of the league, but he would be able to pull off some wtf wins. His teams were always ready for the big games.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!He may find a way to 8 wins every 4-5 years or so but he will be a 5-7 win guy on the norm.
I'd say the norm would be 6-8 wins with a peak of 9 or 10 every 6-8 yrs. I'm good. Can he start tonight?He may find a way to 8 wins every 4-5 years or so but he will be a 5-7 win guy on the norm.
There is no other coach that can hype Rutgers like Schiano. Coaching 40% and Recruiting 60% is needed.He may find a way to 8 wins every 4-5 years or so but he will be a 5-7 win guy on the norm.
6 win ceiling? C'mon, even Flood won 8 with Greg's players in our first year in the B1G.
Schiano has a proven track record of beating Big 10 teams when he was recruiting the Big East. He went 3-0 against B10 opponents (Maryland in Acc at the time, Illinois, and Michigan State) from 2005 forward.
You got me. Thought we won that Maryland game in 2007 and didn't remember some of those other games. Was working off of memory and not actual research.Schiano games against current B1G teams:
2009 @ Maryland (2-10) - W
2007 vs. Maryland (6-7) - L
2006 vs. Illinois (2-10) - W
2005 @ Illinois (2-9) - L
2004 vs. MSU (5-7) - W
2003 @ MSU (8-5) - L
Overall (3-3)
vs. teams with winning records (0-1)
vs. teams with more than 2 wins (1-2)
You just proved my point that 7-8 wins should be doable most years under Schiano, not 6. No reason Schiano wouldn't be expected to assemble teams as good as in those years or his last year and Flood's first couple of years.His 06-09 teams could have been respectable in any conference. Quite honestly, it was his coaching that helped us get there but also stopped us from taking that next step. I will also say that during many of those years, the BE was very top heavy and the bottom half were never real slouches either. But, the conference lacked Great HC’s.
What makes his ceiling higher this time?
The 2006 team was a 10 win team no matter where they played and the 07-09 teams were 7-8 win teams if they played in this conference.
Like VKJ, I would relent too. But, that only reflects just how crappy the current situation is.
Schiano and his 6 win ceiling would be light years ahead of Ash. The problem is, He would only be the life raft....We would still need someone else to pull us in at some point.
At this point, Hobbs has to make it perfectly clear to Ash that he needs to wake the fux up. Tell him we are not afraid to fire his ass and eat his contract even prior to the year end. Fux- I lay it out to him for this week- we have to have over 400 yds and they have to have under 400yds. Who wins, does not even matter so much. At least show something, anything. You just cant have an excuse for 3 years of being the worst offense in the nation.
Does anyone here actually have a say in the coaching hire?
Seems very Ash-like right now. Also Schiano had quite a few wtf loses such as UWV, Buffa-Nova and UNH. Ash is piling those up now. Eerie similarities.Pretend gs comes here. Are y’all patient enough to wait 5 years for a winning season? Ready for all the process talk? His first 5 years of recruiting classes were ranked 51, 61, 36, 49, 59.
Bro you’re way too emotionally connected to this. You just said his ceiling is 6 wins and then followed it up by saying from 2006-2009 his teams would be anywhere from 7-10 wins.His 06-09 teams could have been respectable in any conference. Quite honestly, it was his coaching that helped us get there but also stopped us from taking that next step. I will also say that during many of those years, the BE was very top heavy and the bottom half were never real slouches either. But, the conference lacked Great HC’s.
What makes his ceiling higher this time?
The 2006 team was a 10 win team no matter where they played and the 07-09 teams were 7-8 win teams if they played in this conference.
A Schiano led team would certainly lose some wtf games to the lower half of the league, but he would be able to pull off some wtf wins. His teams were always ready for the big games.
This too looks Ash-like at this point on the trajectory. I think the biggest issue is Flood was Terry Shea, Part Deux.A lot of selective memory on this board as it relates to Greg Schiano. Big games?
Schiano's RU teams went 4-18 vs. T25 opponents.
Here's the list of Big East and major conference teams that Schiano beat that finished the season with a winning record:
2006 USF, Louisville, Kansas State
2007 USF
2008 UConn, Pitt, USF
2009 UConn, USF
2010 UConn
2011 Cincinnati
That's it. That's the entire list. Know how many of those teams finished the season with 10+ wins? Two. In 11 years at Rutgers, Schiano won only three games against teams that (a) finished that season above .500 and (b) are currently in a P5 league.
In his career at RU against teams that today are in P5 leagues, Schiano went 22-46.
A lot of selective memory on this board as it relates to Greg Schiano. Big games?
Schiano's RU teams went 4-18 vs. T25 opponents.
Here's the list of Big East and major conference teams that Schiano beat that finished the season with a winning record:
2006 USF, Louisville, Kansas State
2007 USF
2008 UConn, Pitt, USF
2009 UConn, USF
2010 UConn
2011 Cincinnati
That's it. That's the entire list. Know how many of those teams finished the season with 10+ wins? Two. In 11 years at Rutgers, Schiano won only three games against teams that (a) finished that season above .500 and (b) are currently in a P5 league.
In his career at RU against teams that today are in P5 leagues, Schiano went 22-46.
He may find a way to 8 wins every 4-5 years or so but he will be a 5-7 win guy on the norm.
To be fair that is most likely the ceiling for ANY coach we bring in unless we are going to steal away a Myer type guy. If Schiano came here and got us to 8 wins I think his recruiting with the big ten behind him would go through the roof.
Schiano cleaned up against weak competition--although even there sometimes he had his baffling losses. On the flip side, we never had wtf upsets over better teams except one time. Schiano at the helm means being permanently lodged in the second tier of the Big Ten East just like we were permanently lodged in the second tier of the Big East. So many of these posters are remembering things as being so much better than they were, including in-state recruiting where even after 2006 he struggled and sometimes did downright terribly.
By the time Greg left there were many RU Fans tired of winning enough to go to a bowl, but not enough for a good one.Yea plenty of fawning over years where most of the time this board was ready to send him packing.
I usually defended him, because as frustrating as his WTF losses were, I feared something like this season would happen. Basically full stadium, winning bowl games, things weren't bad. I understand that "In Year 10", as they always said, we expected to take a step to really contend for BCS games, but at least we weren't a national punchline.
We were weak competition! We were perennial losers! It took Schiano about 5-6 years before it looked like we would actually make it out of the woods. Some people on this board think he inherideted a top 20 program.He did a great job selling and building the brand.But we sucked Big Time!!!Schiano cleaned up against weak competition--although even there sometimes he had his baffling losses. On the flip side, we never had wtf upsets over better teams except one time. Schiano at the helm means being permanently lodged in the second tier of the Big Ten East just like we were permanently lodged in the second tier of the Big East. So many of these posters are remembering things as being so much better than they were, including in-state recruiting where even after 2006 he struggled and sometimes did downright terribly.
Agree. Once he turned it around from 2005 on he was right around 500 against current p5 teams counting bowls. We were consistently a 30-40 ranked team with two outliers one bad one good. That was recruiting in the big east throwing out stats counting the first four years are just fing stupid. Oh and Guess what when you are an 8-9 win team you don’t beat a lot of teams with winning records. If you do your a 10-11 win team ranked in the top 15 or so. Math is hard.We were weak competition! We were perennial losers! It took Schiano about 5-6 years before it looked like we would actually make it out of the woods. Some people on this board think he inherideted a top 20 program.He did a great job selling and building the brand.But we sucked Big Time!!!
Cleaning up on weak competition? That's a joke right?
Agree. Once he turned it around from 2005 on he was right around 500 against current p5 teams counting bowls.
There is no other coach that can hype Rutgers like Schiano. Coaching 40% and Recruiting 60% is needed.
This is not accurate. With maybe the exception of the wild knight year very few were dissatisfied with Schiano and he was on the verge of signing his best class when he suddenly left. Vast majority of fans were not happy he left.By the time Greg left there were many RU Fans tired of winning enough to go to a bowl, but not enough for a good one.
There was a vocal he must go just before he left and claims of being overpaid and a micro-manager were being thrown at Schiano and the years without making a BCS bowl
I was a big fan of Greg because of the way he made RU FB a respected program from the joke it was when he took over, but even I was getting impatient when it came to his not being able to move Rutgers from a minor bowl program into one that could be expected to make a BCS bowl game on a constant bases.
Now I think it might be time to give Schiano another shot, but doubt he'll be available when Hobbs is given the green light to buy Ash out.
I feel that will be after the 2020 season.
Barchi isn't going to pay for a buyout of 3 years and I doubt boosters will put in enough to convince him.
perception that RU is one of the worst power five programs in country currently?I agree that GS would give the program a shot in the arm especially in recruiting. But can he get that breakthrough recruit we need to change perception?
Remember that the best player he ever got was Ray Rice who only came to RU because Syracuse had changed coaches. Don't think a plum like that is going to fall in our lap again.
Maybe you're right but I remember a lot of posts on this board complaining about Schiano being a micromanager and how it was hurting the program, then there were the accusations of Greg being a poor gameday coach.This is not accurate. With maybe the exception of the wild knight year very few were dissatisfied with Schiano and he was on the verge of signing his best class when he suddenly left. Vast majority of fans were not happy he left.
To say he never accomplished anything tangible is beyond idiotic. Are you a penn state troll or another weirdo that gets banned and comes back periodically or just an idiot.From 2005-2011, Schiano's teams went 4-7 against T25 teams and 19-21 against teams that are currently in P5 leagues. Keep in mind, of those 19 wins, only three came against teams that finished with a winning record (Louisville and Kansas State in 2006, Pitt in 2008).
The bottom line on Schiano as a head coach is that he deserves a ton of credit for the way he brought RU to respectability, but he never really accomplished anything tangible. And that was in a watered down Big East. Given RU's current conference situation, an argument could be made that if Schiano were to take the job now, he'd actually be facing a tougher situation than in 2001.
To say he never accomplished anything tangible is beyond idiotic. Are you a penn state troll or another weirdo that gets banned and comes back periodically or just an idiot.
Idiotic? Schiano won a share of one conference title after Miami, Virginia Tech, etc. had left the Big East. He won Texas, International, PapaJohns.com, St. Petersburg and Pinstripe bowls. And he only finished one season ranked in the top 25. What am I missing? Because that's not exactly a Hall of Fame resume.
Like I said, I give him credit for the way he was able to sell high school kids on Rutgers and build the program to a level where it was respectable. He's also a good defensive coach. But he is an average at best head coach who would struggle to get Rutgers over that six- or seven-win hump on any sort of consistent basis in the B1G East.
In my opinion RU needs to do one of two things to make significant progress: (a) invest immensely in the program once the B1G full share kicks in and not use that money simply to offset the subsidy, and in doing so hire a proven head coach that will be able to recruit high-level talent in NJ and the Mid-Atlantic; or more likely, (b) identify a young, up-and-coming offensive mind to install a system that can get those same recruits excited and be effective enough to give elite programs problems on any given Saturday. With the former, there really is no ceiling; the latter still can result in consistent bowl games and sometimes more, whereas Schiano would be a short-term fix that likely yields mediocrity.
By the time Greg left there were many RU Fans tired of winning enough to go to a bowl, but not enough for a good one.
There was a vocal he must go just before he left and claims of being overpaid and a micro-manager were being thrown at Schiano and the years without making a BCS bowl
I was a big fan of Greg because of the way he made RU FB a respected program from the joke it was when he took over, but even I was getting impatient when it came to his not being able to move Rutgers from a minor bowl program into one that could be expected to make a BCS bowl game on a constant bases.
Now I think it might be time to give Schiano another shot, but doubt he'll be available when Hobbs is given the green light to buy Ash out.
I feel that will be after the 2020 season.
Barchi isn't going to pay for a buyout of 3 years and I doubt boosters will put in enough to convince him.
The counter argument is... Greg Schiano wasn't a good enough game-day coach. The guys you know are a bunch of fools if they think this is as good as it gets in the state of New Jersey.Schiano is not coming back here.
And BTW, as I've said many times before, guys I know think Rutgers football peaked when GS was here. Not sure what the counter-argument is.
SchiaNOYou just proved my point that 7-8 wins should be doable most years under Schiano, not 6. No reason Schiano wouldn't be expected to assemble teams as good as in those years or his last year and Flood's first couple of years.