Yes, I believe, if we had two extra ncaa contender on our team, let's say, two guys ranked in top 8 at 97 and hwt(most needed weight). Then we would be in the tier for 4th place team trophy along with vt, Missouri, Nebraska, Cornell.
MATCH THREAD #10 RU Wrestlers vs #3 Penn St (Intermat rankings), Friday 7pm BTN
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Don't forget Mulligan is RS at 197. This time last year we didn't even know who JVB was and now he's one of our best wrestlers this year.
I am pretty confident our lineup will b ranked around 9-12 next year and a even better dual team. Should be around 5 AA contender and a solid guy at every weight.
To break into the top 5 eventually we need to recruit the best of the best. We proved we can develop guys but the most important aspect of college wrestling imo is getting the blue chippers. The top teams are loaded wit them, and yes some don't turn out like they were in hs(marstellar) but the majority that are superstars in HS are studs in college(nolf, Zain, nickal).
Actually, we need to recruit the guys that are willing to put in the work and have the growth mindset.. JVB has this..
Next year we will be Top 5 as a Dual Team, as a tourney team just outside the Top 10. On paper we should have our best dual team ever. As for tourney team we need to start landing some blue chips every single recruiting class. In 4 years time we will have a full B1G payout and in 2 years time we will have state of the art facilities.
I have high hopes for Mulligan and I believe he will break into the top 20 ranking at some point at 97 next year
Hey guys, I'm looking forward to the match. I enjoy watching RU wrestle and like the direction your program is heading in. Good luck tonight!
Regarding the above quote, a lot of people seem to forget David Taylor and Ed Ruth had some high-achieving teammates helping them score points at nationals:
2010-11: Quentin Wright (1), Frank Mollinaro (2), Andrew Long (3)
2011-12: Mollinaro (1), QW (2), Nico (2), Dylan Alton (3)
2012-13: Matt Brown (2), Nico (2), QW (1)
2013-14: Matt Brown (5), James English (7), Morgan McIntosh (7), Nico (3) and Zain Rutherford (5)
I love your enthusiasm, but I don't think being a top 5 even as a dual is realistic. Hope I'm wrong. Probably 8-10 more realistic.
Look RU is improving a lot, but next years team will not be a top 5 dual team next year. Some of you(BigMatt), I think are new college wrestling fans(which is great) but do not realize how good these other programs are.
JVB-by my previous posts you can see I am a JVB fan and have said the coaches have done a great job with him...BUT...he has one great win this season against Roskohf, he has lost to the Number 8, Number 9 and 12th ranked wrestlers and has lost to two Unranked wrestlers. He still has a ways to go(he has homerun potential which can help a lot) before we pencil him in as an automatic win each time he steps on the mat.
Also, forgot his win against Ream(who is ranked 20th, good win)
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Historically speaking sure, we are New Money in the eyes of some of these programs. But have we not defeated several of those programs already like Nebraska, or Lehigh, or VT? And were we not ranked as high as 6th in the country just last year? I just don't think we are as far off as we think, at least on the dual side of things. Tourney side 100% agree...we have good wrestlers, but no stone cold mercenaries who go for blood every match.
That is a tough question. I think in most people's minds, a "Blue-Chipper" is a wrestler who was well-known and highly ranked nationally for most of their high school career and projected to be a "can't miss" multiple time All-American and National Championship contender. Of course, those guys miss as well due to injuries, burnout, lack of development, etc. and lesser ranked wrestlers develop beyond expectations.
Ashnault was probably considered by most as a "Blue Chip" recruit. So was Scott Winston.
I think the biggest thing with wrestling right now (and maybe historically) is the huge difference in talent that can exist between a #1 and a #10 team. PSU faced two well thought of programs last weekend (Nebby, Minny) and absolutely boat raced them. I don't know if there is another sport where this type of situation exists.
I am really looking forward to tonight's match as I have not seen you all this season. Specifically, I want to see 125 because there has been some excitement on here regarding the youngster.
I saw some pics of possible wrestling upgrades when perusing the Build Fund and they were pretty badass.
And since it is a Penn State thread, so were the Alton twins and Jimmy Gulibon.
HeyHuey... I really don't want to debate this with you so I will end with this... If there was no D1 Football at RU, there would be no B1G wrestling for RU....
The term blue chippers get thrown around so much.. yes ur definition is correct and for me, my definition of a blue chip recruit is a wrestler ranked in the top 20 of the overall graduating class(maybe even top 10) and then they are tiered off to me. Some people consider any wrestler ranked in the top 100 as a blue chip, I do not.
For example, Ashnault, ranked 8th overall recruit in 2013 class is a blue chip recruit to me. Winston, whom was ranked 2, is also a blue chipper although his career was riddled with injury. Not all blue chippers pan out but the majority do. And the majority of the blue chippers are on the top teams and are usually the AA and NCAA champions.
This is a great source for pass recruiting rankings and info http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Front.html
no i don't consider any blue chippers(can't miss recruit projected to be multiple aa) unless they are top 20 in the overall class but some of them are just a tier below...which means still great potential. I really believe in Glasgow
yes these were the megastar recruits and proves not ever blue chipper will be multiple time AA ...although the altos were riddled wit injury. but for every mega recruit that doesn't work out u get far more that do... the megaludis, the retheford, suriano, nolf, nickal, mark hall, david taylor, ed ruth etc...
there were also some rumors that the altons really enjoyed the college lifestyle as well.
and even with that one of them managed to finish 3rd at ncaa once still.
I agree with this. The amount of talent PSU is attaining is amazing.. There is going to be a race this year (PSU,OSU,Iowa,Ohio st) but I think PSU will prevail and win (too much firepower too much bonus) PSU will only be stronger next year with everyone returning plus Hall... It won't be close next year. I think when theres diversity it makes for more interesting team race. Iowa will be out of it next year wit the graduating class and won't be back in it prolly until Teasdale and Lee get on campus.
We will always be at a disadvantage until we start giving out of state scholarships. Look at tonight's line up. Pennsylvania is the top wrestling state in USA but PSU still starts 1/2 its line up with out of stators. We start all Garden Stators.
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#2 PENN STATE NITTANY LIONS (6-0, 2-0 B1G)
125 #3 Nick Suriano Fr. Paramus, N.J./Bergen Catholic 10-0
133 #13 Jered Cortez So. Carol Stream, Ill./Glenbard North 6-2
OR George Carpenter So. Chapel Hill, N.C./Carrboro 1-6
141 #12 Jimmy Gulibon Sr. Latrobe, Pa./Derry Area 7-5
149 #1 Zain Retherford Jr. Benton, Pa./Benton 11-0
157 #1 Jason Nolf So. Yatesboro, Pa./Kittanning 11-0
165 #4 Vincenzo Joseph Fr. Pittsburgh, Pa./Central Catholic 9-1
174 #14 Geno Morelli Sr. DuBois, Pa./DuBois 9-1
OR Shakur Rasheed So. Coram, N.Y./Longwood 5-1
184 #2 Bo Nickal So. Allen, Texas/Allen 10-0
197 #11 Matt McCutcheon Jr. Apollo, Pa./Kiski Area 8-2
285 #5 Nick Nevills So. Clovis, Calif./Clovis 10-0
#21 RUTGERS SCARLET KNIGHTS (7-1, 2-0 B1G)
125 Brandon Paetzell Fr. Phillipsburg, N.J./Phillipsburg 10-3
133 Scott DelVecchio Jr. South Plainfield, N.J./South Plainfield 13-6
141 #6 Anthony Ashnault Jr. South Plainfield, N.J./South Plainfield 15-3
149 #14 Ken Theobold Sr. Toms River, N.J./Toms River South 12-4
OR Anthony Giraldo So. Guttenberg, N.J./North Bergen 15-6
157 #16 John Van Brill So. Mullica Hill, N.J./Clearview 15-6
165 Willie Scott Fr. Brick, N.J./Brick Township 12-6
174 Phillip Bakuckas Sr. Hammonton, N.J./Hammonton 10-4
OR Jordan Pagano So. South Brunswick, N.J./Bergen Catholic 16-6
184 #14 Nicholas Gravina Jr. Allendale, N.J./Northern Highlands 12-3
197 Matthew Correnti Fr. Delran, N.J./Holy Cross Academy 9-6
285 Razohnn Gross Jr. Franklin Park, N.J./Don Bosco Prep 6-6
Marc McDonald So. Fairfield, N.J./West Essex 8-6
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#2 PENN STATE NITTANY LIONS (6-0, 2-0 B1G)
125 #3 Nick Suriano Fr. Paramus, N.J./Bergen Catholic 10-0
133 #13 Jered Cortez So. Carol Stream, Ill./Glenbard North 6-2
OR George Carpenter So. Chapel Hill, N.C./Carrboro 1-6
141 #12 Jimmy Gulibon Sr. Latrobe, Pa./Derry Area 7-5
149 #1 Zain Retherford Jr. Benton, Pa./Benton 11-0
157 #1 Jason Nolf So. Yatesboro, Pa./Kittanning 11-0
165 #4 Vincenzo Joseph Fr. Pittsburgh, Pa./Central Catholic 9-1
174 #14 Geno Morelli Sr. DuBois, Pa./DuBois 9-1
OR Shakur Rasheed So. Coram, N.Y./Longwood 5-1
184 #2 Bo Nickal So. Allen, Texas/Allen 10-0
197 #11 Matt McCutcheon Jr. Apollo, Pa./Kiski Area 8-2
285 #5 Nick Nevills So. Clovis, Calif./Clovis 10-0
#21 RUTGERS SCARLET KNIGHTS (7-1, 2-0 B1G)
125 Brandon Paetzell Fr. Phillipsburg, N.J./Phillipsburg 10-3
133 Scott DelVecchio Jr. South Plainfield, N.J./South Plainfield 13-6
141 #6 Anthony Ashnault Jr. South Plainfield, N.J./South Plainfield 15-3
149 #14 Ken Theobold Sr. Toms River, N.J./Toms River South 12-4
OR Anthony Giraldo So. Guttenberg, N.J./North Bergen 15-6
157 #16 John Van Brill So. Mullica Hill, N.J./Clearview 15-6
165 Willie Scott Fr. Brick, N.J./Brick Township 12-6
174 Phillip Bakuckas Sr. Hammonton, N.J./Hammonton 10-4
OR Jordan Pagano So. South Brunswick, N.J./Bergen Catholic 16-6
184 #14 Nicholas Gravina Jr. Allendale, N.J./Northern Highlands 12-3
197 Matthew Correnti Fr. Delran, N.J./Holy Cross Academy 9-6
285 Razohnn Gross Jr. Franklin Park, N.J./Don Bosco Prep 6-6
Marc McDonald So. Fairfield, N.J./West Essex 8-6
I don't know enough about the rosters everywhere else but I am pretty sure that Iowa, OSU and Okie Lite are all going to be in the conversation for the next couple years. That being said, I think Okie Lite is probably the biggest threat this year. I don't know the intricacies of the two Iowa kids in terms of RS/Olympic RS, etc. to really comment.
When will RU be fully funded for out of state scholarships? Is that something that we have to wait until fully B1G funded or will it be sooner than that?
I was going to start a new 'Match Thread' but decided this thread works as well. Match starts in 30 minutes !
A HUGE LITMUS TEST FOR THE RU GRAPPLERS.
How does RU's Brandon Paetzell , 2nd in NJ last year at 132 stack up agains 4x NJ champ, #3 ranked Brandon Suriano from Bergen Catholic ? I've been watching both these guys since they were freshmen, and don't think they ever matched up in HS. Suriano has a shot at being a 4 X NCAA champ, more likely a 3X champ but 4x AA, Paetzell is smaller, not as strong, but funky. I think Paetzell can eventually be an AA later on in his career. His attitude is very upbeat and infectious. Coach G calls him the team 'Road Runner' that brings the energy all the time.
Can RU's 2x All American , Anthony Ashnault, 141, continue his dominance over #12 Jimmy Gullibon ? Gulibon feeling some heat from Penn St fans that he's not as great as the rest of the roster.
Can RU's #14 Ken Theobold keep it respectable against #1 Zain Retherferd.
Can RU's surging #16 John Van Brill keep performing magic and thrills against #1 Jason Nolf. PS- Both Nolf and Retherferd serious candidates for the Hodge Trophy (best wrestler in nation)
And Finally IMO, the best match of the night, Rutger's 184 strongman Nick Gravina up against #2 Bo Nickal, a very unique, non stop moves machine who is a lot of fun to watch his style.
RU is going probably going to lose about 7 or 8 of the 10 individual bouts, but this is going to be a huge help to improve the wrestlers and fun to watch for us fans.
After I finish this Black Russian I may throw a spladle or cement mixer on the wifey to warm up ! lol
A HUGE LITMUS TEST FOR THE RU GRAPPLERS.
How does RU's Brandon Paetzell , 2nd in NJ last year at 132 stack up agains 4x NJ champ, #3 ranked Brandon Suriano from Bergen Catholic ? I've been watching both these guys since they were freshmen, and don't think they ever matched up in HS. Suriano has a shot at being a 4 X NCAA champ, more likely a 3X champ but 4x AA, Paetzell is smaller, not as strong, but funky. I think Paetzell can eventually be an AA later on in his career. His attitude is very upbeat and infectious. Coach G calls him the team 'Road Runner' that brings the energy all the time.
Can RU's 2x All American , Anthony Ashnault, 141, continue his dominance over #12 Jimmy Gullibon ? Gulibon feeling some heat from Penn St fans that he's not as great as the rest of the roster.
Can RU's #14 Ken Theobold keep it respectable against #1 Zain Retherferd.
Can RU's surging #16 John Van Brill keep performing magic and thrills against #1 Jason Nolf. PS- Both Nolf and Retherferd serious candidates for the Hodge Trophy (best wrestler in nation)
And Finally IMO, the best match of the night, Rutger's 184 strongman Nick Gravina up against #2 Bo Nickal, a very unique, non stop moves machine who is a lot of fun to watch his style.
RU is going probably going to lose about 7 or 8 of the 10 individual bouts, but this is going to be a huge help to improve the wrestlers and fun to watch for us fans.
After I finish this Black Russian I may throw a spladle or cement mixer on the wifey to warm up ! lol
.@CoachGoodale talks to @BigTenNetwork prior to tonight's dual. Watch the full interview at intermission!
.@CoachGoodale talks to @BigTenNetwork prior to tonight's dual. Watch the full interview at intermission!
Nice changing your thread title AFTER I started mine.
Whatever...
Rutgers Wrestling @RUWrestling 2h2 hours ago
Sell out crowd expected tonight at Rec Hall. No. 11 Rutgers vs. No. 2 Penn State begins at 7 p.m. on @BigTenNetwork. #RelentlessPursuit
Sell out crowd expected tonight at Rec Hall. No. 11 Rutgers vs. No. 2 Penn State begins at 7 p.m. on @BigTenNetwork. #RelentlessPursuit
Hopefully Scott DelV and Anthony Ashnault give us a lead after 141, lol. After that ......?
