OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

[yesrutgers01]

Imagine if they had a manager who knew what he was doing? They're STILL winning despite the bonehead moves Mickey continues to make. I have no doubt that certain players will be on the bench on Game 162 if they need a win to clinch the last Wild Card spot.

I was just thinking that the other day- imagine they got into the one game playoff- who would MC bench because they had played 10 games in a row? McNeil/Davis/Conforto/Alonso? I guess it would just be who ever had the 3 hit game the day before...And then, deGrom at 95 pitches through 7 ahead 2-1, after having him bat for himself the inning before- you know he would pull him instead of telling him, it's on your shoulders- go get them

 

[Mr Magoo]

The Mets are hanging in there by a thread. Three games back of the second wild card with 10 to play is tough but its even tougher when two teams are tied for the 2nd spot and the Mets are still tied with the Phillies also. Hopefully, the Cardinals can beat up on the Cubs a little over the next week and the Brewers lack of pitching and lack of Yelich will kick in. The Brewers have an easy schedule though. This next series at Cincinnati worries me. Their pitching is very good and I hate these quirky little parks like the Reds have. The Mets must minimally take 2 out of 3 there and almost have to sweep.

 

[Doctor Worm]

BTW- this is going to be a fun lineup next year...As long as we arent worried about fielding hahaha
But if our normal lineup is healthy, it could have a chance to be our best lineup from top to bottom that we have ever had. This is how I see it
Nimmo 400 OBP 20+ HR
McNeil 310-320 BA 25 HR
Davis 290-300 30 HR
Alonso 270 40+ HR
Conforto 260 35 HR
Cano 270 15 HR
Ramos 285 15 HR
Rosario 285 15 HR 25 SB

And all but Ramos hit a ton of doubles...And if Cespedes comes back and is anywhere near his normal self...

Throw in Smith, Lowrie, Guillorme, and Nido, and there's your 13 position players. I can't remember a year with so much depth and so many roster spots written down in ink. The only question IMO is whether they make a move for a true CF. Which could be Lagares as they do hold a club option, but I doubt they exercise it.

Oh well, there will be plenty of time for 2020 hot stove... still ten games to enjoy.

 

[RU-05]

Throw in Smith, Lowrie, Guillorme, and Nido, and there's your 13 position players. I can't remember a year with so much depth and so many roster spots written down in ink. The only question IMO is whether they make a move for a true CF. Which could be Lagares as they do hold a club option, but I doubt they exercise it.

Oh well, there will be plenty of time for 2020 hot stove... still ten games to enjoy.

If the idea is to have some combination of Davies Nimmo McNeil Conforto in the OF next year, with Nimmo in center, then I'm fine bringing back Lagares as a bench guy.

And unless they can get a true upgrade at center, a guy who can hit and field a good bit better then Nimmo, then I don't see why you wouldn't go that route.

 

[Toddwills00]

Do not forget it will be a contract year for Cespedes. I think we lose Wheeler which means we need another starter and a whole new bullpen. I am not sold on Thor or Matz anymore.

 

[yesrutgers01]

If the idea is to have some combination of Davies Nimmo McNeil Conforto in the OF next year, with Nimmo in center, then I'm fine bringing back Lagares as a bench guy.

And unless they can get a true upgrade at center, a guy who can hit and field a good bit better then Nimmo, then I don't see why you wouldn't go that route.

Unless we make a big move, would assume that is the outfield plan with either McNeil or Davis at 3B...

 

[RU-05]

Do not forget it will be a contract year for Cespedes. I think we lose Wheeler which means we need another starter and a whole new bullpen. I am not sold on Thor or Matz anymore.

So we can expect a big season from him?:flush:

 

[yesrutgers01]

So we can expect a big season from him?:flush:

The big question with Cespedes is that we would be sitting with Cano and his money on the books if both are healthy. So, they would both pretty much be penciled in just about every day. So- who sits? I would think it would have to mostly be Nimmo but that really kills the defense.

 

[cicero grimes]

The big question with Cespedes is that we would be sitting with Cano and his money on the books if both are healthy. So, they would both pretty much be penciled in just about every day. So- who sits? I would think it would have to mostly be Nimmo but that really kills the defense.

I think you are correct. Nimmo would be odd man out. But Mick (if he is here) would probably let Ces play 6 or 7 innings and then go to Nimmo. Also who knows how long Ces will remain upright even if he returns fully healthy.

 

[Doctor Worm]

If the idea is to have some combination of Davies Nimmo McNeil Conforto in the OF next year, with Nimmo in center, then I'm fine bringing back Lagares as a bench guy.

And unless they can get a true upgrade at center, a guy who can hit and field a good bit better then Nimmo, then I don't see why you wouldn't go that route.

The option on Lagares is $9.5M with a $0.5M buyout. So it will cost the Mets a cool nine mill to keep him. For a backup outfielder, that's pricy by anyone's standards, let alone Wilponian standards.

They could of course decline the option and try to sign him for less. But no guarantee they'll be able to do that. He may be in some demand around the league, at the right price.

 

[Zak57]

No chance we pick up Lagares option. The payroll for next year is quite high already so we aren't going to make any big splashes either. Wheeler will most likely be gone.

 

[cicero grimes]

The option on Lagares is $9.5M with a $0.5M buyout. So it will cost the Mets a cool nine mill to keep him. For a backup outfielder, that's pricy by anyone's standards, let alone Wilponian standards.

They could of course decline the option and try to sign him for less. But no guarantee they'll be able to do that. He may be in some demand around the league, at the right price.

Agree again. We do not need JL if Nimmo is healthy. Although JL defends better, Nimmo is not bad and a better threat at the plate.

 

[RU-05]

The option on Lagares is $9.5M with a $0.5M buyout. So it will cost the Mets a cool nine mill to keep him. For a backup outfielder, that's pricy by anyone's standards, let alone Wilponian standards.

They could of course decline the option and try to sign him for less. But no guarantee they'll be able to do that. He may be in some demand around the league, at the right price.

All true. Now I don't think the demand around the league would be that high. Can't imagine anyone sees him beyond a 4th OF, so maybe the decline option and new contract scenario would bring him back at a more affordable price is reasonable.

It's not a huge deal as we are talking a 4th OF here. But if we could pull it off I'd be cool with it.

 

[RU-05]

No chance we pick up Lagares option. The payroll for next year is quite high already so we aren't going to make any big splashes either. Wheeler will most likely be gone.

Hope they can keep Wheeler. I know bullpen help is a must, but Wheeler has been pretty dependable in terms of giving you innings the last couple years, and that, to an extent, lessens the need for bullpen help.

Don't know who is due for raises among the hitters, but we don't need to go out and find a UFA bat so if we do spend some money, I'm an advocate of bringing back Wheeler.

 

[FrankZ]

Counting the days until Cespedes, JL, etc. are finally off the books. Too many days to count with Cano.

 

[RU-05]

Counting the days until Cespedes, JL, etc. are finally off the books. Too many days to count with Cano.

I think we can all agree that when Cespedes goes it will be a good day.

Lagares was a disapointment career wise, but he was never a hindrance.

Cano? I agree too many days to count, and there will likely be days ahead where he will be viewed as a hindrance. But do consider he has a .934 OPS since the All Star break. Yes I know that includes an injury, and injuries are a concern as he get's older, but the fact that he came back way quicker then anyone expected lessens that concern.

He'll be overpaid but I think he will still be a solid player next season.

 

[FrankZ]

Anybody else love how Dom Smith can make every game and support his club, but some people making billions you never hear boo from. Sigh

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Counting the days until Cespedes, JL, etc. are finally off the books. Too many days to count with Cano.

How about Bonilla?

 

[Doctor Worm]

As a public service, here's a quick analysis of Mets 2020 payroll.

I) CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS - Barring trades, these numbers (stated in millions) are carved in stone:

29.5 - Cespedes
25.5 - deGrom
24.0 - Cano (see footnote)
12.0 - Wright (see footnote)
11.7 - Familia
11.5 - Lowrie
9.2 - Ramos
5.0 - Wilson
0.5 - Lagares (buyout)

SUBTOTAL - $128.9M

Chew on that for a moment. Almost $130M tied up in only seven players (plus two who won't be playing).

FOOTNOTE: Yeah I note that the Mets are being partially compensated by Seattle for Cano, and by the insurance company for Wright. However, under the principles of Wilponian Accounting, I doubt that is a consideration in determining the 2020 budget.

II) ARBITRATION RAISES - My wild ass guesses, but they are probably as good as anyone else's wild ass guesses.

9.0 - Stroman (up from 7.4)
7.5 - Syndergaard (up from 6.0)
5.5 - Conforto (up from 4.0)
4.0 - Matz (up from 2.6)
4.0 - Diaz (first year of eligibility)
3.5 - Lugo " "
3.0 - Nimmo " "
1.5 - Gsellman " "
0.0 - Panik - I am assuming Mets cut him loose.

SUBTOTAL - $38M

So we are up to almost $167M for 15 players. Need 11 more (new roster limit is 26). Let's assume all 11 are either pre-arbitration youngsters (e.g., Rosario, McNeil, Alonso) or low cost vets. Let's say we can get those 11 for $8M combined. So...

TOTAL - $175M. That's with adding NO ONE.

Not so good.

 

[Zak57]

As a public service, here's a quick analysis of Mets 2020 payroll.

I) CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS - Barring trades, these numbers (stated in millions) are carved in stone:

29.5 - Cespedes
25.5 - deGrom
24.0 - Cano (see footnote)
12.0 - Wright (see footnote)
11.7 - Familia
11.5 - Lowrie
9.2 - Ramos
5.0 - Wilson
0.5 - Lagares (buyout)

SUBTOTAL - $128.9M

Chew on that for a moment. Almost $130M tied up in only seven players (plus two who won't be playing).

FOOTNOTE: Yeah I note that the Mets are being partially compensated by Seattle for Cano, and by the insurance company for Wright. However, under the principles of Wilponian Accounting, I doubt that is a consideration in determining the 2020 budget.

II) ARBITRATION RAISES - My wild ass guesses, but they are probably as good as anyone else's wild ass guesses.

9.0 - Stroman (up from 7.4)
7.5 - Syndergaard (up from 6.0)
5.5 - Conforto (up from 4.0)
4.0 - Matz (up from 2.6)
4.0 - Diaz (first year of eligibility)
3.5 - Lugo " "
3.0 - Nimmo " "
1.5 - Gsellman " "
0.0 - Panik - I am assuming Mets cut him loose.

SUBTOTAL - $38M

So we are up to almost $167M for 15 players. Need 11 more (new roster limit is 26). Let's assume all 11 are either pre-arbitration youngsters (e.g., Rosario, McNeil, Alonso) or low cost vets. Let's say we can get those 11 for $8M combined. So...

TOTAL - $175M. That's with adding NO ONE.

Not so good.

Good stuff. This is basically what I was touching on in my previous post. We don't have lots of room for additions which means there will probably be subtractions.

 

[FrankZ]

How about Bonilla?

Yeah Bonilla should be showing his face every 7/1 too, lol

 

[FrankZ]

Boy I’d love to retire and still make $12M a year too. Good grief

 

[tico brown]

So we can expect a big season from him?:flush:

And if he comes back in June and have the same results as 2015, take it... and thank him on his way to FA in November

 

[tico brown]

Hope they can keep Wheeler. I know bullpen help is a must, but Wheeler has been pretty dependable in terms of giving you innings the last couple years, and that, to an extent, lessens the need for bullpen help.

Don't know who is due for raises among the hitters, but we don't need to go out and find a UFA bat so if we do spend some money, I'm an advocate of bringing back Wheeler.

Has been a hell of a lot better than Matz and more dependable than Syndergaard. Other than his 2 week funk a couple of weeks ago, Wheeler has been #2.

 

[tico brown]

Please give it a rest already. This thread has become worse than reading the Ash-bashing that dominates the rest of this board. We all know the deal. No need to keep harping on it. Mickey will be back next year.

So the Yankee Three can come on and spout their drivel but I can talk about how the Mets have possibly choked this season away because of a crappy manager and a GM who treats the Mets roster like MLB The Show?

 

[RU-05]

As a public service, here's a quick analysis of Mets 2020 payroll.

I) CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS - Barring trades, these numbers (stated in millions) are carved in stone:

29.5 - Cespedes
25.5 - deGrom
24.0 - Cano (see footnote)
12.0 - Wright (see footnote)
11.7 - Familia
11.5 - Lowrie
9.2 - Ramos
5.0 - Wilson
0.5 - Lagares (buyout)

SUBTOTAL - $128.9M

Chew on that for a moment. Almost $130M tied up in only seven players (plus two who won't be playing).

FOOTNOTE: Yeah I note that the Mets are being partially compensated by Seattle for Cano, and by the insurance company for Wright. However, under the principles of Wilponian Accounting, I doubt that is a consideration in determining the 2020 budget.

II) ARBITRATION RAISES - My wild ass guesses, but they are probably as good as anyone else's wild ass guesses.

9.0 - Stroman (up from 7.4)
7.5 - Syndergaard (up from 6.0)
5.5 - Conforto (up from 4.0)
4.0 - Matz (up from 2.6)
4.0 - Diaz (first year of eligibility)
3.5 - Lugo " "
3.0 - Nimmo " "
1.5 - Gsellman " "
0.0 - Panik - I am assuming Mets cut him loose.

SUBTOTAL - $38M

So we are up to almost $167M for 15 players. Need 11 more (new roster limit is 26). Let's assume all 11 are either pre-arbitration youngsters (e.g., Rosario, McNeil, Alonso) or low cost vets. Let's say we can get those 11 for $8M combined. So...

TOTAL - $175M. That's with adding NO ONE.

Not so good.

1)What is our total payroll this year?

2)How much do we deduct for Wright and Cano? I hear what you are saying in terms of the Wilpons mindset, but still, I'd like to know what is actually paid out. (also, no insurance write off for Cespedes?)

3)Cespedes only having one year left, does BVW argue that point to the Wilpons? Saying "yes it will go up this year, but we have a good chunk coming off"

4)Noah trade a possibility, especially if Wheeler comes back.

 

[Knight Shift]

So the Yankee Three can come on and spout their drivel but I can talk about how the Mets have possibly choked this season away because of a crappy manager and a GM who treats the Mets roster like MLB The Show?

The Who?

Do whatever you want. It's a free country. Sorry, but I can't stand the constant complainin'--not just you.

 

[RU-05]

So the Yankee Three can come on and spout their drivel but I can talk about how the Mets have possibly choked this season away because of a crappy manager and a GM who treats the Mets roster like MLB The Show?

Ya, and historically you look at a 4.09 era and say, "weak" but that is good for 24th in the NL this year, 39th in all of baseball.

Same kind of goes for Noah.

It's tough sledding out there for pitchers these days.

 

[Doctor Worm]

1)What is our total payroll this year?

2)How much do we deduct for Wright and Cano? I hear what you are saying in terms of the Wilpons mindset, but still, I'd like to know what is actually paid out. (also, no insurance write off for Cespedes?)

3)Cespedes only having one year left, does BVW argue that point to the Wilpons? Saying "yes it will go up this year, but we have a good chunk coming off"

4)Noah trade a possibility, especially if Wheeler comes back.

1) At the start of 2019 the payroll was $159M.

2) Seattle is paying $3.75M per year for Cano. I don't know what the lumpsum for Wright was but I am guessing about 50%. There was a writeoff for Cespedes, but there won't be one for 2020 if he plays, which is the expectation.

3) Your guess is as good as mine.

4) I think Noah trade is a possibility even if Wheeler doesn't return. I continue to believe that Lugo is in the starting rotation next year.

 

[RU-05]

1)

2) Seattle is paying $3.75M per year for Cano. I don't know what the lumpsum for Wright was but I am guessing about 50%. There was a writeoff for Cespedes, but there won't be one for 2020 if he plays, which is the expectation.

Cespedes is expected to play?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Cespedes is expected to play?

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IT'S THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S EXPECTATION, AND THEY ARE THE ONES WRITING THE CHECKS.

My personal expectations are irrelevant.

 

[yesrutgers01]

1) At the start of 2019 the payroll was $159M.

2) Seattle is paying $3.75M per year for Cano. I don't know what the lumpsum for Wright was but I am guessing about 50%. There was a writeoff for Cespedes, but there won't be one for 2020 if he plays, which is the expectation.

3) Your guess is as good as mine.

4) I think Noah trade is a possibility even if Wheeler doesn't return. I continue to believe that Lugo is in the starting rotation next year.

If Cespedes plays and performs, I am ok with his money. But that means he better be putting up 285/35...
I am sure JL will not be on this team unless he agrees to come back for $3mil or so.
I don't see them signing Wheeler but can see them trading Noah. And are we better with Lugo/Wilson as closer by commitee or having Lugo as a starter?

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Phils lose to the Braves today. Next headed to Cleveland to face an Indians team that is also fighting for their playoff lives. Big Cards-Cubs series starting today in Chicago. Watch out for the Brewers even without Yelich as their schedule is probably the most favorable. After finishing up with the Padres today they have the seemingly tanking Bucs coming in.

 

[FrankZ]

Brewers schedule has been abysmal for weeks

 

[RU-05]

IT'S THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S EXPECTATION, AND THEY ARE THE ONES WRITING THE CHECKS.

My personal expectations are irrelevant.

They might want to notify Cespedes about their expectations.

 

[Doctor Worm]

If Cespedes plays and performs, I am ok with his money. But that means he better be putting up 285/35...
I am sure JL will not be on this team unless he agrees to come back for $3mil or so.
I don't see them signing Wheeler but can see them trading Noah. And are we better with Lugo/Wilson as closer by commitee or having Lugo as a starter?

To your final question, we are better off with Lugo as a starter, and the trio of Wilson, Familia, and Diaz as the 7-8-9 relievers. That was the 2019 plan which failed, but I think it will be the 2020 Plan A. We've got a lot invested in Familia and Diaz, and we need them to produce as the back of their baseball cards say they should.

 

[RU-05]

To your final question, we are better off with Lugo as a starter, and the trio of Wilson, Familia, and Diaz as the 7-8-9 relievers. That was the 2019 plan which failed, but I think it will be the 2020 Plan A. We've got a lot invested in Familia and Diaz, and we need them to produce as the back of their baseball cards say they should.

I think BVW knows that can not be Plan A.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I think BVW knows that can not be Plan A.

I hope he does...

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Looks like the Cubs are gonna lose the 1st to the Cards. Down 3 runs late. Hope I don't jinx it. Of course the initial beneficiaries of this is Milwaukee as they won earlier today.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Sorry. Cubs 3 in the 9th to tie. ☹