OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

[ruready4somefootball]

You're talking gibberish

Say what? Out, gonzo,I can only imagine what you and your minions would be saying in this thread if it was a Mets player doing this to himself and teammates right before the playoffs, not to mention what he did to that women.18-4, Ace of the staff, brilliant move by that man.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Fun Fact: Do you know who leads the NL in blown saves, with 28? Spoiler alert - it's not the Mets.

It's the DODGERS. The freakin' Dodgers. Best team in the NL, best pitching staff, lead in most statistical categories - including blown saves. They're tied with Washington, another playoff team. Mets are one behind with 27.

Blown saves are important, but clearly they are not the be-all and end-all.

 

[Doctor Worm]

In their style of play...love watching these guys play ball. Hard and fun. Just need Nimmo to make more contact at times. Between walks and strikeouts...he must have highest % of ABs without putting a ball in play.
McNeil is starting to look like our own George Brett K Pucket type of player.

Nimmo has 213 plate appearances, 61 K's, and 39 BB's. 61+39= 110. Figure maybe five HBP's, so that's 115. Which means he puts the ball in play in only 46% of his at bats.

To your other point... McNeil has been two very different hitters this year, and I like them both! Compare his pre and post ASG slash lines:

Pre-ASG: .349/.409/.509, with 7 HR in 289 AB.
Post-ASG: .272/.357/.564, with 16 HR in 200 AB.

Project McNeil's post-ASG power numbers over a full season, and you're into Alonso country.

EDIT: D'oh! 61+39=100, not 110. So actually, Nimmo puts the ball in play in about half his plate appearances, which is still a very small percentage.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Fun Fact: Do you know who leads the NL in blown saves, with 28? Spoiler alert - it's not the Mets.

It's the DODGERS. The freakin' Dodgers. Best team in the NL, best pitching staff, lead in most statistical categories - including blown saves. They're tied with Washington, another playoff team. Mets are one behind with 27.

Blown saves are important, but clearly they are not the be-all and end-all.

Wow, didn't know that, and it truly shocks me.

 

[e5fdny]

Why were the Reds allowed to wear those hats tonight?

 

[tico brown]

Can someone please notify the pirates that they’re a major league team. Disgraceful.

Mets should never had had to depend on the disgraceful Pirates in the first place if they did what they had to do in the first half of the season.

 

[tico brown]

Nimmo and McNeil at the top of the lineup are starting to remind me a little of Dykstra and Backman in the mid 80s.

Hopefully McNeil and Nimmo will be better than those two scumbags.

 

[tico brown]

Fun Fact: Do you know who leads the NL in blown saves, with 28? Spoiler alert - it's not the Mets.

It's the DODGERS. The freakin' Dodgers. Best team in the NL, best pitching staff, lead in most statistical categories - including blown saves. They're tied with Washington, another playoff team. Mets are one behind with 27.

Blown saves are important, but clearly they are not the be-all and end-all.

Dont the Dodgers have the most walk off wins as well?

 

[shields]

Jacob has been great again this season. What a pitcher.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Jacob has been great again this season. What a pitcher.

He gives you a chance to win every time he steps on the field.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Mets should never had had to depend on the disgraceful Pirates in the first place if they did what they had to do in the first half of the season.

If you want to isolate a part of the season, the 14 out of 15 streak is really the outlier.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Dont the Dodgers have the most walk off wins as well?

No idea. Walk-off wins is not an official stat, and isn't listed in the MLB team stat summaries.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Wow, didn't know that, and it truly shocks me.

The blown save stat is a bit misleading because the Dodgers, being a really good team that is ahead a lot, get more save opportunities than most teams. So other things equal, they would have more blown saves.

A better indicator is save percentage. Mets are improving there. Their 56.5% save percentage is now 11th in the league. Obviously that is not good, but it's better than being last with under 50%, which is where they were earlier in the season.

 

[yesrutgers01]

He gives you a chance to win every time he steps on the field.

Imagine the deal we would have had to sign him to if we waited...
With any support this year, he would be the leader for his 2nd Cy Young. He need Ryu and Scherzer to both have bad outings and he needs another 7 innings of shutout ball with double digit K’s and he still may win it.
Watching him each game shows what it is to be an elite starter. He has a plan for every single pitch.

 

[rubaseball78]

The blown save stat is a bit misleading because the Dodgers, being a really good team that is ahead a lot, get more save opportunities than most teams. So other things equal, they would have more blown saves.

A better indicator is save percentage. Mets are improving there. Their 56.5% save percentage is now 11th in the league. Obviously that is not good, but it's better than being last with under 50%, which is where they were earlier in the season.

Blown saves don’t mean a loss either. How many Dodger blown saves turned out to be victories?

 

[yesrutgers01]

So, with the season winding down...yeah- I know we still have a path...
Anyway/ my off season thoughts.?
Wheeler- before the season, I was inclined to think we aren’t signing him as he would have a big year...but, he has had a pedestrian year and is not going to get a Corbin type contract. I think he finds himself under 15 mil and no more than 3 years. So, maybe at 3/37.5 we try to sign him.
Noah- I also thought we needed to sign an extension asap...now, don’t sign him and use him for this year or trade for a major league ready prospect plus
I may even cut Familia outright unless you can dump him in a Noah trade.
Lugo/Wilson are my closers by committee
Regular players
Untouchables...McNeil/Alonso
Near Untouchable- Conforto. Streaky but already a face of the Mets
Next level- keep unless blown away- Rosario/Davis unless packaged in a mega deal
Nimmo....hmmmm tough call. Love his style of play but not sure if him long term. Would trade in the right deal. Even a few top prospects if possible
JL- is anyone signing him to more than a 1 year $3 mil deal? If you can get him at that- sign him...
All middle relievers and fair game. Trade them, cut them, drop them, whatever
Would like to see a true backup SS

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Fun Fact: Do you know who leads the NL in blown saves, with 28? Spoiler alert - it's not the Mets.

It's the DODGERS. The freakin' Dodgers. Best team in the NL, best pitching staff, lead in most statistical categories - including blown saves. They're tied with Washington, another playoff team. Mets are one behind with 27.

Blown saves are important, but clearly they are not the be-all and end-all.

Yeah but I bet a lot more of their blown saves they still got the win. Maybe games that were just tied. Or not blown saves in walk-off fashion.

 

[FrankZ]

Fun Fact: Do you know who leads the NL in blown saves, with 28? Spoiler alert - it's not the Mets.

It's the DODGERS. The freakin' Dodgers. Best team in the NL, best pitching staff, lead in most statistical categories - including blown saves. They're tied with Washington, another playoff team. Mets are one behind with 27.

Blown saves are important, but clearly they are not the be-all and end-all.

Outside of Mickey, the RPs are the main reason this team isn’t making the playoffs - and next place isn’t close

 

[FrankZ]

Can someone please notify the pirates that they’re a major league team. Disgraceful.

Really is deflating seeing the Pirates seemingly daily matching up with a team you are in the hunt with. Game is written off before it starts.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Outside of Mickey, the RPs are the main reason this team isn’t making the playoffs - and next place isn’t close

First half...Starters, defense, bottom of the lineup, manager and bull pen all contributed...
Second half- defense- not great but not bad...major improvement, Starters- a couple of clunkers and Noah fell off but for the most part- pretty damn good. Bottom of lineup is now one of the best in baseball when JL isn’t in it. All of these carried us to almost +20 since AS break.
As you said, except for Lugo/Wilson- BP and MC killed us. Even last night. Sorry but deGrom at 96 pitches should give us 1 more inning. At least until a man gets on. We got lucky the offense went crazy but why not have him pitch 1 more?

 

[retired711]

. Sorry but deGrom at 96 pitches should give us 1 more inning. At least until a man gets on. We got lucky the offense went crazy but why not have him pitch 1 more?

I don't have a stat at hand, but I think 96 pitches is getting to be about average. And what if DeGrom gets in trouble the next inning? With the Mets' substandard bullpen, it makes much more sense to have a reliever start an inning with a clean slate than come in with men on base.

 

[Zak57]

So, with the season winding down...yeah- I know we still have a path...
Anyway/ my off season thoughts.?
Wheeler- before the season, I was inclined to think we aren’t signing him as he would have a big year...but, he has had a pedestrian year and is not going to get a Corbin type contract. I think he finds himself under 15 mil and no more than 3 years. So, maybe at 3/37.5 we try to sign him.
Noah- I also thought we needed to sign an extension asap...now, don’t sign him and use him for this year or trade for a major league ready prospect plus
I may even cut Familia outright unless you can dump him in a Noah trade.
Lugo/Wilson are my closers by committee
Regular players
Untouchables...McNeil/Alonso
Near Untouchable- Conforto. Streaky but already a face of the Mets
Next level- keep unless blown away- Rosario/Davis unless packaged in a mega deal
Nimmo....hmmmm tough call. Love his style of play but not sure if him long term. Would trade in the right deal. Even a few top prospects if possible
JL- is anyone signing him to more than a 1 year $3 mil deal? If you can get him at that- sign him...
All middle relievers and fair game. Trade them, cut them, drop them, whatever
Would like to see a true backup SS

I think you're really light on that Wheeler deal.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I think you're really light on that Wheeler deal.

I would have thought so until we saw a number of good pitchers sit the beginning of the season. His season didn’t really do him any favors...
But you may be right. So let’s say 3/42

 

[yesrutgers01]

I don't have a stat at hand, but I think 96 pitches is getting to be about average. And what if DeGrom gets in trouble the next inning? With the Mets' substandard bullpen, it makes much more sense to have a reliever start an inning with a clean slate than come in with men on base.

More likely our RP gets in trouble then deGrom does...

 

[brianoc]

So, with the season winding down...yeah- I know we still have a path...
Anyway/ my off season thoughts.?
Wheeler- before the season, I was inclined to think we aren’t signing him as he would have a big year...but, he has had a pedestrian year and is not going to get a Corbin type contract. I think he finds himself under 15 mil and no more than 3 years. So, maybe at 3/37.5 we try to sign him.
Noah- I also thought we needed to sign an extension asap...now, don’t sign him and use him for this year or trade for a major league ready prospect plus
I may even cut Familia outright unless you can dump him in a Noah trade.
Lugo/Wilson are my closers by committee
Regular players
Untouchables...McNeil/Alonso
Near Untouchable- Conforto. Streaky but already a face of the Mets
Next level- keep unless blown away- Rosario/Davis unless packaged in a mega deal
Nimmo....hmmmm tough call. Love his style of play but not sure if him long term. Would trade in the right deal. Even a few top prospects if possible
JL- is anyone signing him to more than a 1 year $3 mil deal? If you can get him at that- sign him...
All middle relievers and fair game. Trade them, cut them, drop them, whatever
Would like to see a true backup SS

You are overrating Conforto

 

[tico brown]

So, with the season winding down...yeah- I know we still have a path...
Anyway/ my off season thoughts.?
Wheeler- before the season, I was inclined to think we aren’t signing him as he would have a big year...but, he has had a pedestrian year and is not going to get a Corbin type contract. I think he finds himself under 15 mil and no more than 3 years. So, maybe at 3/37.5 we try to sign him.
Noah- I also thought we needed to sign an extension asap...now, don’t sign him and use him for this year or trade for a major league ready prospect plus
I may even cut Familia outright unless you can dump him in a Noah trade.
Lugo/Wilson are my closers by committee
Regular players
Untouchables...McNeil/Alonso
Near Untouchable- Conforto. Streaky but already a face of the Mets
Next level- keep unless blown away- Rosario/Davis unless packaged in a mega deal
Nimmo....hmmmm tough call. Love his style of play but not sure if him long term. Would trade in the right deal. Even a few top prospects if possible
JL- is anyone signing him to more than a 1 year $3 mil deal? If you can get him at that- sign him...
All middle relievers and fair game. Trade them, cut them, drop them, whatever
Would like to see a true backup SS

Smith???

Wheeler is getting a decent contract. Not as good as you thought in April but not as low as you think now.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Oh well. It was a nice run and at least they kept me entertained in Sept. I’ll still tune in to watch Alonso chase the rookie HR mark. An average manager and we’d have a wildcard spot even with this pathetic bullpen.

 

[tico brown]

Welp... Thanks for wasting a playoff year Callaway, Diaz, Cano, Bullpen, BVW, Familia, Lowrie, all of those slumpy hitters, etc.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Welp... Thanks for wasting a playoff year Callaway, Diaz, Cano, Bullpen, BVW, Familia, Lowrie, all of those slumpy hitters, etc.

Given that litany of underperformers (and that's without even considering the "etc."), it's hard to call it a playoff year.

IMHO this team is what we thought they were - a slightly plus-.500 team and a marginal playoff contender.

 

[tico brown]

Given that litany of underperformers (and that's without even considering the "etc."), it's hard to call it a playoff year.

IMHO this team is what we thought they were - a slightly plus-.500 team and a marginal playoff contender.

Let's just say that the Mets would be competing with Atlanta if all of the above did what they were supposed to do to go along with the positives like Alonso, Rosario, McNeil, Davis, Smith, deGrom, Wilson, Lugo, etc

 

[ruready4somefootball]

High hopes for next season, as this team reminds me of the 1984 team.90 wins,but you could see the young everyday talent. This team has more young everyday talent than any team since those mid to late 80's teams. Great days ahead.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Welp... Thanks for wasting a playoff year Callaway, Diaz, Cano, Bullpen, BVW, Familia, Lowrie, all of those slumpy hitters, etc.

The Mets are an average team, some good, some bad. The bads are clear and easily addressable in the off-season. Will Wilpon and BVW step up? We shall see.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Hopefully McNeil and Nimmo will be better than those two scumbags.

Dykstra is definitely a scumbag. Is Backman one too?

 

[tico brown]

Dykstra is definitely a scumbag. Is Backman one too?

Google him and you'll have your answer.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Smith???

Wheeler is getting a decent contract. Not as good as you thought in April but not as low as you think now.

Smith is a piece but is he trade or bench? We have no spot for him. Wish we did but it is almost a choice between him and Davis.

 

[RU-05]

Given that litany of underperformers (and that's without even considering the "etc."), it's hard to call it a playoff year.

IMHO this team is what we thought they were - a slightly plus-.500 team and a marginal playoff contender.

Team was different then expected though in that the lineup was impressive(slumps happen) while the bullpen was atrocious.

Now as noted by someone above, and other stats back it up, we did not have the only lousy bullpen this year. In general it was a hitters year.

 

[cicero grimes]

So, with the season winding down...yeah- I know we still have a path...
Anyway/ my off season thoughts.?
Wheeler- before the season, I was inclined to think we aren’t signing him as he would have a big year...but, he has had a pedestrian year and is not going to get a Corbin type contract. I think he finds himself under 15 mil and no more than 3 years. So, maybe at 3/37.5 we try to sign him.
Noah- I also thought we needed to sign an extension asap...now, don’t sign him and use him for this year or trade for a major league ready prospect plus
I may even cut Familia outright unless you can dump him in a Noah trade.
Lugo/Wilson are my closers by committee
Regular players
Untouchables...McNeil/Alonso
Near Untouchable- Conforto. Streaky but already a face of the Mets
Next level- keep unless blown away- Rosario/Davis unless packaged in a mega deal
Nimmo....hmmmm tough call. Love his style of play but not sure if him long term. Would trade in the right deal. Even a few top prospects if possible
JL- is anyone signing him to more than a 1 year $3 mil deal? If you can get him at that- sign him...
All middle relievers and fair game. Trade them, cut them, drop them, whatever
Would like to see a true backup SS

I think you make a qualifying offer on Wheels or sign him. Looking a the team for next year I see it as follows:

1b - Alonzo
2b - Cano
3b - Mcneill
ss - Rosario
lf - Davis
cf- Nimmo
rf - Conforto
c - Ramos

Not a bad team to go into the season with and with the exception of Cano most are young. I don't expect Ces back and Lowrie will be the utility guy. If you trade Thor, where can you reasonably expect to upgrade? CF or LF maybe. You cannot trade him for bull pen help because you wont get equal value back. I think you have to sign him. Bullpen you are going to have to piece it together again with FA's.

 

[RU-05]

I would have thought so until we saw a number of good pitchers sit the beginning of the season. His season didn’t really do him any favors...
But you may be right. So let’s say 3/42

His season was actually pretty good. 21st in ERA in the national league. Solid second starter.

Our perspective on this season is warped by the overall offensive output. Both the hitters and the pitchers.

 

[cicero grimes]

Actually, this team without MC as manager is probably a playoff team.

 

[RU-05]

Post All Star break the Met's bullpen were tied with Atlanta for the least blown saves in the NL, and 3rd in the league for save%.

Now could they have gone away from Diaz and Familia sooner?