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OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

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cicero grimes said:
I think you make a qualifying offer on Wheels or sign him. Looking a the team for next year I see it as follows:

1b - Alonzo
2b - Cano
3b - Mcneill
ss - Rosario
lf - Davis
cf- Nimmo
rf - Conforto
c - Ramos

Not a bad team to go into the season with and with the exception of Cano most are young. I don't expect Ces back and Lowrie will be the utility guy. If you trade Thor, where can you reasonably expect to upgrade? CF or LF maybe. You cannot trade him for bull pen help because you wont get equal value back. I think you have to sign him. Bullpen you are going to have to piece it together again with FA's.
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First part- I have moved toward signing Wheeler where earlier in the year, didn't think so. And while he wasnt horrible- I had thought going into this year he could have had a monster year and positioned himself into a Corbin type contract. He didn't do that so it makes more sense. He is still a very solid starter. @nd Bolded on Noah- I wanted to sign him and still would love to do so...But...management have seemed to be trying to push him away as far as possible...
We all can go on and on about guys like Matz/Noah/Wheeler and how inconsistant they can be. But look around the league, this is what most sarters have become. Only the Elite- Verlander/deGrom/Sherzer etc are consistant just about every game. But, those 4 starters including deGrom, are really good and they can handle NY.

Now- onto Cano...just wish he didnt cost us so damn much. His 2nd half of the season pre/post injury- gives hope he could actually be a vital hitter for the next 2 years.
 
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tico brown said:
Mets should never had had to depend on the disgraceful Pirates in the first place if they did what they had to do in the first half of the season.
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It’s basically become.. whoever plays the Pirates the most, gets the wild card. Who knew?
 
yesrutgers01 said:
First part- I have moved toward signing Wheeler where earlier in the year, didn't think so. And while he wasnt horrible- I had thought going into this year he could have had a monster year and positioned himself into a Corbin type contract. He didn't do that so it makes more sense. He is still a very solid starter. @nd Bolded on Noah- I wanted to sign him and still would love to do so...But...management have seemed to be trying to push him away as far as possible...
We all can go on and on about guys like Matz/Noah/Wheeler and how inconsistant they can be. But look around the league, this is what most sarters have become. Only the Elite- Verlander/deGrom/Sherzer etc are consistant just about every game. But, those 4 starters including deGrom, are really good and they can handle NY.

Now- onto Cano...just wish he didnt cost us so damn much. His 2nd half of the season pre/post injury- gives hope he could actually be a vital hitter for the next 2 years.
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I agree. I hope we re-sign Wheeler. At least he doesn’t bitch like Noah. If Noah ever gets to a real organization, I’d suspect they would fix him and make him into a CY Young candidate.
 
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Even Stroman is starting to grow on me...after the first few games, he has been pretty good. And a good change of pace from all the 99 guys we have...
 
The Mets had a middle of the pack offense and middle of the pack pitching staff, to go with their middle of the pack finish placing them, appropriately, out of the playoffs. Improving the team will be, to say the least, difficult, given the emptiness of their minor league system, the money that they have tied-up in over-paid players going forward, the need to start paying these starting pitchers or start losing them, and an unqualified GM.
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
First part- I have moved toward signing Wheeler where earlier in the year, didn't think so. And while he wasnt horrible- I had thought going into this year he could have had a monster year and positioned himself into a Corbin type contract. He didn't do that so it makes more sense. He is still a very solid starter. @nd Bolded on Noah- I wanted to sign him and still would love to do so...But...management have seemed to be trying to push him away as far as possible...
We all can go on and on about guys like Matz/Noah/Wheeler and how inconsistant they can be. But look around the league, this is what most sarters have become. Only the Elite- Verlander/deGrom/Sherzer etc are consistant just about every game. But, those 4 starters including deGrom, are really good and they can handle NY.

Now- onto Cano...just wish he didnt cost us so damn much. His 2nd half of the season pre/post injury- gives hope he could actually be a vital hitter for the next 2 years.
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But at what cost? Don't know the market for Wheeler, but paying too much in terms of money and years would be a bad decision, especially with the team/ownership's limited budget.
 
willisneverrana43 said:
The Mets had a middle of the pack offense and middle of the pack pitching staff, to go with their middle of the pack finish placing them, appropriately, out of the playoffs. Improving the team will be, to say the least, difficult, given the emptiness of their minor league system, the money that they have tied-up in over-paid players going forward, the need to start paying these starting pitchers or start losing them, and an unqualified GM.
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I liked your post, but I also kinda hate it.
 
It's going to be a massive mistake to trade Syndergaard if we do. First of all he doesn't bitch he didn't do anything wrong about the Ramos thing and second he's not deGrom but he's not much below him. Let's not forget deGrom didn't even start pitching in the majors until he was 26 and Thor just turned 26 this year. He still can get even better.
 
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Zak57 said:
It's going to be a massive mistake to trade Syndergaard if we do. First of all he doesn't bitch he didn't do anything wrong about the Ramos thing and second he's not deGrom but he's not much below him. Let's not forget deGrom didn't even start pitching in the majors until he was 26 and Thor just turned 26 this year. He still can get even better.
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Definitely stupid to trade NS, but once again, what is the budget for 2020 and beyond? Some of the money needs to be devoted to fixing the pen.
 
Zak57 said:
It's going to be a massive mistake to trade Syndergaard if we do. First of all he doesn't bitch he didn't do anything wrong about the Ramos thing and second he's not deGrom but he's not much below him. Let's not forget deGrom didn't even start pitching in the majors until he was 26 and Thor just turned 26 this year. He still can get even better.
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The Mets are going to have to make decisions on each of their starters. IMO they are only going to pay three of the five. Which ones do you want to pay?

Every team needs one or two younger, pre-arbitration guys in their rotation. Problem is, the Mets traded all of those.
 
All I know that Matz should be on the trading block. He cannot be trusted since hes always good for one bad inning
 
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Doctor Worm said:
The Mets are going to have to make decisions on each of their starters. IMO they are only going to pay three of the five. Which ones do you want to pay?

Every team needs one or two younger, pre-arbitration guys in their rotation. Problem is, the Mets traded all of those.
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I think we offer Wheeler the QO and he declines and walks. I would extend Syndergaard now and keep his first two years a little light while Cespedes and Wright contracts officially come off the books. At that point we'd only have Cano and deGrom as big deals. Peterson should be ready to slot in as #5 second half of next year and also hope Szapucki comes quick. It sure would be nice to have Dunn and Kay waiting in the wings also though.

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Definitely stupid to trade NS, but once again, what is the budget for 2020 and beyond? Some of the money needs to be devoted to fixing the pen.
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Yes pen needs fixing big time but I wouldn't rob Peter to pay Paul. As I mention above I think Wheeler ends up walking so hope we at least QO him.
 
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Zak57 said:
Yes pen needs fixing big time but I wouldn't rob Peter to pay Paul. As I mention above I think Wheeler ends up walking so hope we at least QO him.
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One thing to keep in mind, the bullpen's importance is growing and the SP's importance is shrinking. This trend will definitely continue in the future.

With this in mind, my pitching prior for the Yanks is to resign Chapman, if he opts out, and then go for a starter.
 
Zak57 said:
I think we offer Wheeler the QO and he declines and walks. I would extend Syndergaard now and keep his first two years a little light while Cespedes and Wright contracts officially come off the books. At that point we'd only have Cano and deGrom as big deals. Peterson should be ready to slot in as #5 second half of next year and also hope Szapucki comes quick. It sure would be nice to have Dunn and Kay waiting in the wings also though.

Yes pen needs fixing big time but I wouldn't rob Peter to pay Paul. As I mention above I think Wheeler ends up walking so hope we at least QO him.
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Good post. Here are my uneducated guesses:
  • If Mets QO Wheeler, I would not be surprised if he takes it. He'd be betting on himself, in the belief that with a breakout season in 2020 he can get a better long term deal thereafter. Problem is, I don't think the Mets want to offer him $18M next year. My guess is they just cut him loose.
  • Syndergaard will be on the market if someone chooses to overpay. No one will. He is a Met next year under his one-year arbitration deal.
  • Not optimistic about the Mets minor league starters. Peterson has not progressed, although he still may. Szapucki is a question mark. Maybe Kevin Smith?
  • I continue to believe that Lugo is a starter next year. Mets will give Diaz, Familia, and (to a lesser extent) Gsellman every opportunity to regain their prior form.
 
Doctor Worm said:
Good post. Here are my uneducated guesses:
  • If Mets QO Wheeler, I would not be surprised if he takes it. He'd be betting on himself, in the belief that with a breakout season in 2020 he can get a better long term deal thereafter. Problem is, I don't think the Mets want to offer him $18M next year. My guess is they just cut him loose.
  • Syndergaard will be on the market if someone chooses to overpay. No one will. He is a Met next year under his one-year arbitration deal.
  • Not optimistic about the Mets minor league starters. Peterson has not progressed, although he still may. Szapucki is a question mark. Maybe Kevin Smith?
  • I continue to believe that Lugo is a starter next year. Mets will give Diaz, Familia, and (to a lesser extent) Gsellman every opportunity to regain their prior form.
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- I think Wheeler gets $18 mil a yr minimum on the open market right now. I could see a team offering 3 years $60 million or 4 for $80. At that points he gets the money and the years so I could see him going.

- Yes we will still ask for the moon and stars for Syndergaard but after seeing BVW's other trades I have no faith in him to extract a good deal. I think Mets fans in general continually underrated him so I just don't see anything making a lot of sense.

- We're definitely very barren in the minor SP category. Smith did pitch pretty well so I could see him getting an opportunity if we need to go cheap in the rotation for one spot.

- Very good call on Lugo and also a possibility. Hopefully Diaz and Familia turn it around. Gsellman stinks. Hasn't really pitched well since 2016.
 
A head case on the mound being visited by our 100 year old pitching coach. Mets gonna Met.
 
Not for nothing but it looks like the NL CY is going to come down to the final start. deGrom and Ryu...ERA is now pretty much neck to neck with Ryu with slight edge but his 2nd half not strong for a top team plus, only 13 wins for a top team too. deGrom not far behind in wins or era but has every other stat and has been super strong 2nd half and pitching for a average team. And EVERYONE knows his team has cost him at minimum, 5 wins again.
Right now, could make an argument for either guy. Scherzer is 3rd maybe 4th after the rookie
 
tico brown said:
Juck Feter... Overrated
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He will be the 2nd unanimous HOF selection.
:)

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