Confused...you are saying this ISN’T a troll post???
You pretty much knocked every Met fan out there in as condescending as you possibly could...kbee- take notes from a master troll
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You pretty much knocked every Met fan out there in as condescending as you possibly could...kbee- take notes from a master troll
Yeah I particularly liked the "several have argued... but why bring it up" (immediately after bringing it up). Well played... I guess?
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. . . . Ah, never mind, it's the Wilpons.
I guess it means "no Wheeler" given the Wilpons. But over the last few years some free agents, particularly pitchers, have been caught in purgatory for months at the start of the season because teams didn't want to pay the money and give up a pick, usually guys who are good but not top end players. Isn't Keuchel one of those guys, and he was at a similar age with a similar (maybe better) career and had been a bit more durable? I'm not saying that will happen with Wheeler. But it's not impossible. He and his agent would certainly have to consider and deal with it once the Mets extend the qualifying offer. I mean, the Mets didn't/couldn't trade him, which might also suggest that other teams weren't valuing him as highly as you might expect. All of this might create room to reach a deal after the Mets extend a qualifying offer .
. . . . Ah, never mind, it's the Wilpons.
I think Wheeler May find himself in a Keuchel type situation. He was on the brink and if he had a full year similar to his 2nd half of 18, he would have been an A list guy and gotten an early Corbin type deal. His subpar season may hurt him quite a bit like it did Keuchel
If the Mets make Wheeler a qualifying offer, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he takes it. He'd be betting on himself. And if he loses the bet, he still has an $18M consolation prize.
Wheeler is not taking the QO. You guys are really off on this. Wheeler is not Keuchel either.
Just a prediction: Mike Matheny will be next Mets manager. Have a feeling Girardi will be too expensive and probably not want to deal with Wilpons and Brodie. I’d be ok with Matheny as a consolation. Seems like the boring type of manager Wilpons love to get a la Randolph, art howe, calloway etc
Last year the QO was $17.9M. This year it is expected to be somewhere between $18 - $19M.
Could there be a deal say 4 years at $52 to $60 million. Wheeler wants stability and to get paid. Maybe he likes NY and a chance to win.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/07/15/cardinals-fire-mike-matheny-tactical-errors-clubhouse
We need to get a sure thing, nobody with baggage or on the job training
Are you saying Wheeler or Keuchel is better? I like Wheeler a lot but has never won more than 12...ok get it, wins don't count so much anymore...but has never struck out 200 and never an era under 3.31 and I don't believe he ever won a CY.
If QO is nearly 18mil- I just can't see any team going for a 3/4 year 60/80 mil for him. He may find himself closer to 3 year 40-45 mil.
Agree...Myself- I sign Wheeler as he did not have the year that put him over 20 per year long term. Give him a 3 year $50 mil deal. Also offer Noah a Nola type deal.Neither break the bank for the value you are getting back.
Class, and of course, nothing to haunt him as he seeks another Managerial job down the road. I wish him luck, as I think he was dealt a bad bullpen which some of his bad moves couldn't overcome, as cost us the playoffs.https://www.newsday.com/sports/base...wsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sports
I see a FA list for next year and Marte(CF) is on it...do we take a run at him? Betances on it too- do you take a flier on him after his injury?
As for a wheeler- also does not help him that there are 2 A+ guys on it with Cole and Strausburg
As for a wheeler- also does not help him that there are 2 A+ guys on it with Cole and Strausburg
I am not. Keuchel had a higher peak but Wheeler with his potential will get him more money. I compare him more to Eovaldi and look what he got on the market.
I have a friend who is a Cardinals fan and he hated Matheny as much as we hated Mickey.
Lot of parallels between the Mets manager search and the RU coaching search. In both cases there is a clear front runner and popular choice - a veteran charismatic leader who has previously succeeded "here". However, with both there are the same two concerns: will management offer the required salary, and the required level of control?
The Mets will hire Schiano and and RU will get Girardi. Take it to the bank.
There is no question that Girardi is interested in the Mets job. He's made it clear he's interested in ANY job - on his terms that is. The BVW-Callaway working model would not work for Girardi. What BVW calls "collaboration", Girardi would term as unacceptable interference. Plus there is the money issue. BVW says that is not an object, but is it his call? We shall see.
If hiring a particular manager takes any serious money away that might otherwise be available for the roster, I'd pass on that manager. Unfortunately, in Wilpon world, this is a consideration.
Funny you should mention him. In terms of analytics, he was about 20 years ahead of his time. Remember how he kept a computer in the dugout and everyone (well, a lot of people) thought he was crazy?
Can you clue me in as to who you are talking about? Beltran? Showalter? The squeaky voiced former manager of the Yankees?
When you said?:
"Lot of parallels between the Mets manager search and the RU coaching search. In both cases there is a clear front runner and popular choice - a veteran charismatic leader who has previously succeeded "here"."
Interesting names I just saw on TV...
John Franco- would be a BVW pauper if you ask me
Robin Ventura- hmmmm I didn’t follow him much as CWS manager but BVW may not like choice words and being hung up on from the dugout
Beltran- sort of intriguing. Don’t think he would be a puppet and has respect from everyone. Just no experience
And of coarse the regulars- Gerardi no puppet and Matheny puppet
John Franco- would be a BVW pauper if you ask me
Robin Ventura- hmmmm I didn’t follow him much as CWS manager but BVW may not like choice words and being hung up on from the dugout
Beltran- sort of intriguing. Don’t think he would be a puppet and has respect from everyone. Just no experience
And of coarse the regulars- Gerardi no puppet and Matheny puppet
I just cannot see the Mets going with a first time manager again after all the Mickey mistakes we witnessed over the past two years. Of course, this is the Mets so anything is possible. Still hoping BVW calls Schiano.
Franco, Beltran? I guess so--why not add a manager with no experience whatsoever to match the resume of the GM. At least Ventura managed before, though I have no idea whether he's good at it. More to the point, I don't think being an ex-Met should matter in this slightest.
Wish I knew more about Ventura- maybe the american league guys- 3 Amigos(mybe be valuable here for a change) but he is intriguing along with Girardi.
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