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It doesn't matter how the rest of the division is doing. Fact is the Mets are in third place, 5 behind the Phillies. Fact is that the Mets have choked vs the Marlins, Dodgers, DBacks, and others. Fact is BVW shouldve gotten players in positions of need instead of getting former clients to creat logjams at positions alread fulll. Fact is the Wilps will not fix their problems in the summer.

And the possibility that the Mets will wind up with a washed up, overpriced second baseman who they never needed, that cost them two top prospects and an exposed Diaz (if traded this summer as per nj . com rumor) is hilariously bad.
Just to clarify, there is no published rumor that Diaz will be traded, in the sense of the reporter getting info from a reliable source. That article was mere speculation based on Buster Olney's speculation. In other words, making sh!t up.
 
Juggernaut or not, they shouldve won at least 3/4 but didnt. And dont get me started on why the Dodgers and Mets are who theyve been for the past few years.

- Jed Lowrie was a redundant pick up...
- Robinson Cano was a redundunt pick up, esp since Diaz has blown 2 saves this past week...
- Why is Hector Santiago taking up a roster spot if they only use him once a week? If they dont trust him, get rid of him. Otherwise pitch him more tham once a week.
- BVW wouldve had a better offseason if he had gotten Gio Gonzalez and/or Adam Jones, two positions of need.

I actually agree with your last 3 points (although im a realist not a desponden). But hey, i should keep my mouth shut and say LETS GO METS.
 
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Just to clarify, there is no published rumor that Diaz will be traded, in the sense of the reporter getting info from a reliable source. That article was mere speculation based on Buster Olney's speculation. In other words, making sh!t up.
Hope youre right. But thats such a Mets thing to do these days.
 
I think BVW is a disaster so far and I can't even do the mental gymnastics it would take to think he'd already deal him. I expect Wheeler to go even if we don't an on signing him long term and he'd be our biggest piece I guess.
 
Juggernaut or not, they shouldve won at least 3/4 but didnt. And dont get me started on why the Dodgers and Mets are who theyve been for the past few years.

- Jed Lowrie was a redundant pick up...
- Robinson Cano was a redundunt pick up, esp since Diaz has blown 2 saves this past week...
- Why is Hector Santiago taking up a roster spot if they only use him once a week? If they dont trust him, get rid of him. Otherwise pitch him more tham once a week.
- BVW wouldve had a better offseason if he had gotten Gio Gonzalez and/or Adam Jones, two positions of need.

I actually agree with your last 3 points (although im a realist not a desponden). But hey, i should keep my mouth shut and say LETS GO METS.
Not saying we should all be happy with the results of the road trip, but the Mets don't seem that far off from having the ability to go on a winning streak.
I am firmly convinced, however, that the Dodgers will steam roll whichever team from the NL East that they face in the playoffs or division series.

Back to the pitching woes, wonder if anyone in the front office has dug in to see why deGrom and Noah have gone off the rails this year. Kind of odd for them both to regress.
More worried about the middle relievers in the bullpen than Diaz.

Will be interesting to see how the Mets deal with McNeil when he gets off the IL.
 
Not saying we should all be happy with the results of the road trip, but the Mets don't seem that far off from having the ability to go on a winning streak.
I am firmly convinced, however, that the Dodgers will steam roll whichever team from the NL East that they face in the playoffs or division series.

Back to the pitching woes, wonder if anyone in the front office has dug in to see why deGrom and Noah have gone off the rails this year. Kind of odd for them both to regress.
More worried about the middle relievers in the bullpen than Diaz.

Will be interesting to see how the Mets deal with McNeil when he gets off the IL.
Even though deGrom hasn't looked like a Cy Young award winner, he's pitched well enough for the Mets to win his games. deGrom's season last year was once in a lifetime event. This year he's pitching just well enough to win, but Mickey Moron continues to weaken the line up when he pitches just like he did last year. Since deGrom isn't lights out, those games now end up as a loss.

I'm praying the Met catch lighting in a bottle again (2015) and run through the NL as they did back then.
 
Even though deGrom hasn't looked like a Cy Young award winner, he's pitched well enough for the Mets to win his games. deGrom's season last year was once in a lifetime event. This year he's pitching just well enough to win, but Mickey Moron continues to weaken the line up when he pitches just like he did last year. Since deGrom isn't lights out, those games now end up as a loss.

I'm praying the Met catch lighting in a bottle again (2015) and run through the NL as they did back then.
With current roster and injuries, what exactly would you do differently than Mickey and BVW?
 
With current roster and injuries, what exactly would you do differently than Mickey and BVW?
If you have an ego, bye-bye.


1. Familia's new role is mop-up duty in blowouts.

2. Stop with the Dom Smith yo-yo. He's earned a spot on the field. BVW didn't have to go out and sign a million outfielders because now the Mets have a problem when McNeil and Nimmo come back. Nimmo could probably go to the minors if he has options left.

3. If Alonso comes out of another game after the seventh, I'm personally going to put my foot in Mickey Moron's *ss. He's not the defensive liability the Mets keep trying to talk up. The Mets want to justify some of their moves.

4. Put Cano on a short leash. I know Cano cost a lot of money, but is he worth throwing away a shot of being competitive and in the race for the playoff...NO. If Cano can't do it, then go with Hechavarria or McNeil.

5. The Mets should eat Lowrie's contract.

6. The bullpen is a mess because Mickey Moron has made it one. Lugo and Gsellman should pitch on different days and go two innings because the starters haven't been able to go seven innings as expected. The ideal situation would be for them to go one inning, which means the starters have done their job and the rest of the pen has finally stepped up. I would expand Font's role in the bullpen. Font seems to be a better pitcher in shorter outings.

7. Hit the market for more help in the bullpen and don't be afraid to spend. You might have to package a player or two to create space on the roster.
 
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The crazy thing about Familia, no matter if you liked as a closer or not, he has never been even close to this bad EVER.
Feel like the Mets need to be sellers at the trade deadline. I would love to feel out Wheeler to see if he would consider coming back as a FA
 
The crazy thing about Familia, no matter if you liked as a closer or not, he has never been even close to this bad EVER.
Feel like the Mets need to be sellers at the trade deadline. I would love to feel out Wheeler to see if he would consider coming back as a FA
Wheeler has made it clear that he's amenable to negotiating with the Mets during the season, but there will be no hometown discount. I don't think the Mets are all that much into him. Which is fine. You can't pay everybody. So if the Mets decide that they're sellers, he'll be a prime target.

However, in this shockingly weak division, it's going to be a while before the Mets decide that they're sellers.
 
Wheeler has made it clear that he's amenable to negotiating with the Mets during the season, but there will be no hometown discount. I don't think the Mets are all that much into him. Which is fine. You can't pay everybody. So if the Mets decide that they're sellers, he'll be a prime target.

However, in this shockingly weak division, it's going to be a while before the Mets decide that they're sellers.
There's parity in this division. All it takes is one team to catch fire and pull away. The first team to address their weaknesses has the best shot of winning the division. The Nats and the Mets, on paper, have the best starting pitching. The Braves can hit and have ok starting pitching. Philly is streaky when it comes to hitting. The Braves, the Mets, Philly, and the Nats all have sh*tty bullpens.
 
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Mets draft Brett Baty, a high school third baseman. An MLB Network guy (not sure who) just referred to him as "Freddie Freeman with power." We shall see.
 
If you have an ego, bye-bye.


1. Familia's new role is mop-up duty in blowouts.

2. Stop with the Dom Smith yo-yo. He's earned a spot on the field. BVW didn't have to go out and sign a million outfielders because now the Mets have a problem when McNeil and Nimmo come back. Nimmo could probably go to the minors if he has options left.

3. If Alonso comes out of another game after the seventh, I'm personally going to put my foot in Mickey Moron's *ss. He's not the defensive liability the Mets keep trying to talk up. The Mets want to justify some of their moves.

4. Put Cano on a short leash. I know Cano cost a lot of money, but is he worth throwing away a shot of being competitive and in the race for the playoff...NO. If Cano can't do it, then go with Hechavarria or McNeil.

5. The Mets should eat Lowrie's contract.

6. The bullpen is a mess because Mickey Moron has made it one. Lugo and Gsellman should pitch on different days and go two innings because the starters haven't been able to go seven innings as expected. The ideal situation would be for them to go one inning, which means the starters have done their job and the rest of the pen has finally stepped up. I would expand Font's role in the bullpen. Font seems to be a better pitcher in shorter outings.

7. Hit the market for more help in the bullpen and don't be afraid to spend. You might have to package a player or two to create space on the roster.
All of these suggestions are better than most of what BVW has done.
 
Mets draft Brett Baty, a high school third baseman. An MLB Network guy (not sure who) just referred to him as "Freddie Freeman with power." We shall see.
Nice pick up.

Now go get Keuchel since he doesnt cost a pick anymore.
 
Baty is a good pick. Could turn into a big bat but old for his age in HS and doesn't seem too athletic. Let's hope he can stick at 3B.

He's no Kelenic though.
 
Baty is a good pick. Could turn into a big bat but old for his age in HS and doesn't seem too athletic. Let's hope he can stick at 3B.

He's no Kelenic though.

Refuse to get attached to this guy - likely will get flipped for Pujols
 
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If you have an ego, bye-bye.


1. Familia's new role is mop-up duty in blowouts.

2. Stop with the Dom Smith yo-yo. He's earned a spot on the field. BVW didn't have to go out and sign a million outfielders because now the Mets have a problem when McNeil and Nimmo come back. Nimmo could probably go to the minors if he has options left.

3. If Alonso comes out of another game after the seventh, I'm personally going to put my foot in Mickey Moron's *ss. He's not the defensive liability the Mets keep trying to talk up. The Mets want to justify some of their moves.

4. Put Cano on a short leash. I know Cano cost a lot of money, but is he worth throwing away a shot of being competitive and in the race for the playoff...NO. If Cano can't do it, then go with Hechavarria or McNeil.

5. The Mets should eat Lowrie's contract.

6. The bullpen is a mess because Mickey Moron has made it one. Lugo and Gsellman should pitch on different days and go two innings because the starters haven't been able to go seven innings as expected. The ideal situation would be for them to go one inning, which means the starters have done their job and the rest of the pen has finally stepped up. I would expand Font's role in the bullpen. Font seems to be a better pitcher in shorter outings.

7. Hit the market for more help in the bullpen and don't be afraid to spend. You might have to package a player or two to create space on the roster.
1 Familia - 1 inning maximum
2 Nimmo - his neck issue probably had a lot to do with his performance. He won't be back for awhile
3 Alonso - I agree
4 Cano - hated the deal but he's not going anywhere. He's going to play 2nd for a long, long time whether we like it or not.
5 Lowrie - they already are
6 bullpen - Mickey sucks but so do most of his pitchers
7 spending - ha ha ha. Wilpons.
 
1 Familia - 1 inning maximum
2 Nimmo - his neck issue probably had a lot to do with his performance. He won't be back for awhile
3 Alonso - I agree
4 Cano - hated the deal but he's not going anywhere. He's going to play 2nd for a long, long time whether we like it or not.
5 Lowrie - they already are
6 bullpen - Mickey sucks but so do most of his pitchers
7 spending - ha ha ha. Wilpons.
1) agree and Familia can’t stay this bad
2) hard call on Nimmo. Love the guy but hope he isn’t back for a while. But...we need a CF. We don’t need any more corner OF
3) Agree as well. Seen about 75% of the games and Alonso may not be gold glove but he has been above average and haven’t seen a play that would ever cost the Mets in late innings.
4) true and like I said about Familia, he can’t stay this bad
5) why did we pick up an Inf that plays 2/3rd and leave ourselves with no backup SS? Though, if the guy is healthy, he could be a good piece but not worth the money
6) Bullpen - more headscratch moves then I have ever seen
7) Spend...not anymore

Adding in this question. Why do they insist Nido is not deGrom’s personal C? And why in hell is he? He hasn’t made him better and we need any bat we can find why this guy is pitching.
 
If you have an ego, bye-bye.


1. Familia's new role is mop-up duty in blowouts.

2. Stop with the Dom Smith yo-yo. He's earned a spot on the field. BVW didn't have to go out and sign a million outfielders because now the Mets have a problem when McNeil and Nimmo come back. Nimmo could probably go to the minors if he has options left.

3. If Alonso comes out of another game after the seventh, I'm personally going to put my foot in Mickey Moron's *ss. He's not the defensive liability the Mets keep trying to talk up. The Mets want to justify some of their moves.

4. Put Cano on a short leash. I know Cano cost a lot of money, but is he worth throwing away a shot of being competitive and in the race for the playoff...NO. If Cano can't do it, then go with Hechavarria or McNeil.

5. The Mets should eat Lowrie's contract.

6. The bullpen is a mess because Mickey Moron has made it one. Lugo and Gsellman should pitch on different days and go two innings because the starters haven't been able to go seven innings as expected. The ideal situation would be for them to go one inning, which means the starters have done their job and the rest of the pen has finally stepped up. I would expand Font's role in the bullpen. Font seems to be a better pitcher in shorter outings.

7. Hit the market for more help in the bullpen and don't be afraid to spend. You might have to package a player or two to create space on the roster.
My $.02 on these very interesting points:

1. Mets will give Familia every opportunity to turn it around. They have too much invested in him not to. It's not like he's lost velocity. Ultimately, Mets have to hope that he is what the back of his baseball card says he is.

2. Forget Nimmo for awhile. Neck injuries are no joke.

3. Alonso is better than expected at first, but Smith is better. If Smith is in LF, I can see moving him to 1B in late innings. Strengthens two positions.

4. Cano is going to play, period. That's the reality of the modern game.

5. Why would the Mets eat Lowrie's contract? We're all pissed that Lowrie hasn't contributed yet. So you want to make sure he NEVER contributes?

6. If you expect starters to go seven innings nowadays, better reset expectations pronto. The MLB average start length is only 5 1/3! Can't rely on just Gsellman and Lugo. Need to go deeper into the pen, which includes Familia.

7. Based on history, I do think the Wilpons WILL spend at the deadline IF they think they've got a contender. The next six weeks will tell.
 
The day he sign's he'll probably be penciled into the top 5 of the Mets prospect list. Before even playing a game of rookie ball.
Wouldn't be surprised. IIRC, last year Kelenic was immediately slotted at #3 in the MLB.com ratings, behind Gimenez and Alonso. (Yes, Gimenez was rated ahead of Alonso.) We'll know next month. Doesn't speak well of Mets farm system TBH.
 
My $.02 on these very interesting points:

1. Mets will give Familia every opportunity to turn it around. They have too much invested in him not to. It's not like he's lost velocity. Ultimately, Mets have to hope that he is what the back of his baseball card says he is.

2. Forget Nimmo for awhile. Neck injuries are no joke.

3. Alonso is better than expected at first, but Smith is better. If Smith is in LF, I can see moving him to 1B in late innings. Strengthens two positions.

4. Cano is going to play, period. That's the reality of the modern game.

5. Why would the Mets eat Lowrie's contract? We're all pissed that Lowrie hasn't contributed yet. So you want to make sure he NEVER contributes?

6. If you expect starters to go seven innings nowadays, better reset expectations pronto. The MLB average start length is only 5 1/3! Can't rely on just Gsellman and Lugo. Need to go deeper into the pen, which includes Familia.

7. Based on history, I do think the Wilpons WILL spend at the deadline IF they think they've got a contender. The next six weeks will tell.
3. Until the bullpen gets better, why take a bat out of the lineup? It's not like the defensive replacements are stopping other teams from scoring. That more of a pitching problem.

4. I get it with Cano. You play because of the money, but is that reason enough to cut your nose off to spite your face? Give Cano a short leash. It's not like the Mets don't have options in Hechavarria or McNeil. In fact, by playing McNeil at 2nd base, it eases pressure on a crowded outfield.

5. By forcing Lowrie onto the active roster, it creates another situation similar to what Dom Smith experience. You may push one of the younger players, who is producing, down to the minors. In a sense, you have weakened the team by getting old quickly.

6. One of the reasons why starters don't go longer is because management across baseball has put a hard count of the number of pitches a pitcher can throw. I don't like the pitch count because each outing is different. If you set the bar (goal) low and you surpass it, what did you really accomplish? Anything less than 7 innings from a starter is considered a failure, especially for the money most are receiving.

Also, I agree you can't rely only on Lugo or Gsellman, but that's why I said the Mets have to hit the market to replace some of the dead weight in the bullpen. Familia equals insanity: “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

7. I have no doubt the Wilpons will spend money contrary to the myth that's out there. The question becomes do the Mets overspend like the Familia mistake or find value as they did with Hechavarria
 
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[QUOTE="Doctor Worm, post: 3882724, member: 754 We'll know next month. Doesn't speak well of Mets farm system TBH.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's what I'm saying. Bunch of under producers down there.
 
Mets make a VERY interesting selection with their 3rd pick. They drafted HS pitcher Matthew Allan. He is without question a first round talent, rated the #13 prospect by MLB.com. The problem is that he wants a $4M signing bonus or he will go to college (U of Florida). I don't see how the Mets can manage that.

Now before all youse wiseguys make your inevitable references to the Coupons, please note that the Mets total rookie signing bonus pool is only $8.2M. Can BVW get Allan down (I mean, WAY down) from his original demands? Can he cajole his higher picks to take less?

BVW got this gig in part because of his ability to negotiate and get deals done. If he can pull this one off, I for one will certainly tip my cap.
 
Wouldn't be surprised. IIRC, last year Kelenic was immediately slotted at #3 in the MLB.com ratings, behind Gimenez and Alonso. (Yes, Gimenez was rated ahead of Alonso.) We'll know next month. Doesn't speak well of Mets farm system TBH.
Gimenez is awful offensively. . Down to 235 average now. Rey ordained with more speed
 
The maddening inconsistency from certain guys. Conforto and Rosario are the big holes in the lineup right now. Rosario plummeted once he was placed in the leadoff spot when McNeil got hurt and Conforto batting in the key 3rd spot in the lineup has done nothing in a while.
 
Mickey needs to make a decision and then before acting on it, he needs to to the exact opposite.
 
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