I'd be shocked if Brodie trades either of those guys. Once burned, twice shy.
But who the hell knows.
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But who the hell knows.
I've read everything you've posted, you brought up that they're 9th in MLB in payroll as if that's something to be impressed by. The reality is the Mets are a cheap organization relative to the market they play in.
This team was the gutless and heartless team last year and is the same this year. Time to fire the manager. Only chance at this point to save this season.
He will trade them for another overpaid, washed up former client.
On the lighter side, Tim Tebow is rocking a slash line of .158/.244/.222. One HR in 158 ABs. Talk of a September promotion has died down, to put it mildly.
The problem with their payroll is the highest paid guy is getting tossed off horses and snapping ankles - no not Bobby Bonilla...who I think they are still paying.
They didn't believe in McNeil and Alonzo - so they are stuck with Cano (where great second baseman go to do die) and Jed Lowrie - where is that dude?
The team was made up bad - they have no outfielders to many infielders and their strength starting pitching - sucks.
You can't win that way.
No need to keep trashing Tebow. One of the most accomplished college football players ever. Win over Steelers in NFL playoffs. Wanted to give MLB a shot.
There are many problems with the payroll. It should be higher. Cespedes is a disaster but they're at least getting that money back, shame it's not reinvested in the team.
As far as Bonilla, the Braves are still paying Bruce Sutter. He last pitched for them in 1988. The Bonilla contract is not unique or a rare one. Every team in baseball has a deal or two like that on the books.
I don't mind buying sprees when you're fighting for a title etc however when you're sellers and end up with dogs such as Will Toffel - who the Mets got for Familia last year with the A's - those are bad trade offs. i saw Will Toffel when Binghamton played in Trenton and he is Awful - which is putting it mildly.
I was sarcastically kidding.....Scouts were very high on Baty and Allan - and hopefully they both deliver and Allan signs.
But it's OK to trash everyone else in the organization - from ownership on down? No one has been exempt in this thread, nor should anyone be.
I have full respect for Tebow, as I do for everyone else who chases the dream. I am surprised he made it as far as AAA.
Well said. BVW made it clear from the start that he did not consider McNeil to be a starter. Nor was he confident that Alonso was ready - hence Lowrie's acquisition would allow Frazier to move to 1B. To his credit, once it was clear that Alonso was MLB ready, BVW threw that plan out. But the damage, in terms of the opportunity cost, was done. That money would have been far better spent on a true CF.
As far as the pitching goes, I can't kill them for what they did, since I agreed with it. I thought they had enough starting pitching and needed to fix the bullpen. They way overpaid to fix the bullpen, but I thought they fixed it. Wrong, at least so far.
And of course the starters have not produced as expected. That's not on the Wilpons, nor on Brodie, nor on Mickey. Sometimes the guys wearing the uniforms have to look in the mirror.
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This pretty much goes with my thinking. As far as the BP- I thought that Wilson/Familia would have made our BP so much stronger. But Wilson has been out most of the year and WTF has happened to JF. We did over pay and JF did leave us with a bad taste but there is no one in baseball that could have predicted he would be this bad. I think almost everyone would have had him pegged as a setup guy that would have been in the mid 2.5 era.
Lowrey - he may be a good player but who the hell knows. But bringing in Cano with the trade for Diaz has proved very costly. When he comes back- who do you sit and or send down? Our big hole in the lineup is at CF(I sometimes want our CF's to but runners into scoring position so our pitchers can have a chance to knock them in) Frazier has really stepped up at 3B and we have Hech/Davis/Smith as super fillins/bench. And they bring some really good mojo with them.
BTW- I love watching Alonso/Smith batting back to back. If we find a way not to trade Smith- we have to get Alonso on to 3B if at all possible. Though, Smith has not looked horrible at LF and Alonso is better then we thought at 1B.
Yesterday had the feel of me losing my interest in baseball for the summer.
Transactions du jour:
Chris Flexen back up, Hector Santiago DFA'd. Tyler Bashlor, who came up yesterday as 26th man for the "doubleheader", will stay up. So a corresponding move will be necessary before tonight's game. One possibility is Gsellman to IL. It turns out that he had to leave last night's game due to back stiffness. So they had to bring Familia in to pitch the 8th, and the rest is history.
Chris Flexen back up, Hector Santiago DFA'd. Tyler Bashlor, who came up yesterday as 26th man for the "doubleheader", will stay up. So a corresponding move will be necessary before tonight's game. One possibility is Gsellman to IL. It turns out that he had to leave last night's game due to back stiffness. So they had to bring Familia in to pitch the 8th, and the rest is history.
A note on the Bonilla contract - from a pure baseball standpoint, it was one of the best moves the Mets ever made. Here's why:
- By offering Bonilla a deferred annuity to buy out the final year of his contract in 2000, the Mets saved enough money to acquire Mike Hampton, who helped get them to the World Series.
- Then when Hampton left as a free agent, the Mets used the compensatory draft pick to select David Wright.
Tampa is cheap, but somehow they win. It's not about outspending everyone else, but making smart decisions. So your answer is not the end all be all solution. You seemed stuck on that one point. I mentioned 9th because even when they do spend the results are the same. Money is not the issue. Smart personnel decisions are the problem.
Transactions du jour V2:
Mets acquire Brooks Pounders, a 28 year old RHP, from Cleveland for "cash considerations". He will be in uniform tonight, pounding #46. In a 38 game MLB career over parts of the last three years, he's compiled an ERA of 8.92. So he should fit right in.
Flexen also up as previously posted. Santiago DFA'd, Peterson and Bashlor returned to Syracuse.
How does Mickey Moron keep calling Familia's number when you have 8 guys in the bullpen?
Ok Doug, let's role play. You're Mickey Moron, as he is so alliteratively referred to in this thread. You've just been told that Gsellman is a scratch for the 8th. Diaz is unavailable, so you're saving Lugo for the 9th. You don't want to use Familia. Here are your choices:
Bashlor (now gone)
Font
Gagnon
Peterson (now gone)
Santiago (now gone)
Name your poison!
Such is the dilemma this team faces. Somebody's getting guys out in AAA, we bring him up. He's not getting guys out up here, we send him down. We take a flyer on a guy like Pounders. Eventually we will get lucky with somebody, we hope.
These guys were available last night before the wholesale change? Why not try Font? Using Familia falls under the term insanity. You know when you repeat the same over and over expecting different results. Familia has established himself as being horrible for now. The only person who refuse to except this as fact is Calloway. This is one of the reasons why he's called Mickey Moron. I do wish I could take credit for name, but I picked it up from another poster here.
Font? [roll][roll]
And it's CallAway. Not Calloway. Easy way to remember--Mets fans want him Called Away.
Total rebuild, so it won't be long before the Cano trade haunts us with Kelenic being called up.
Seriously man, you got to cut the psychological cord here. Otherwise this may be haunting you for the next 20 years. Which is OK I guess, if you feel you've got the 20 years to spare. But not all of us do!
Did Mickey really let a limping Syndergaard hit in the bottom of the sixth and pitch until he grabbed his leg again in the seventh? Did this really happen?
https://www.mlb.com/news/noah-syndergaard-exits-start-with-injury
https://www.mlb.com/news/noah-syndergaard-exits-start-with-injury
So the Cano/ Diaz trade is not worse in Mets history, without bringing up Kelenic/ Dunn and the second base log jam that's going to affect McNeil?
Seriously man, you got to cut the psychological cord here. Otherwise this may be haunting you for the next 20 years. Which is OK I guess, if you feel you've got the 20 years to spare. But not all of us do!
No he did not. There were no symptoms of any injury until the specific pitch in the seventh, after which Syndergaard was immediately removed. I suggest you re-read the article.
And Diaz looks elated. Whoever says he does not care should get a clue.
I would trade the entire (except for few) bullpen for a bag of rocks. They have gotten worse as the season progresses. They know Mickey doesn't have the heart to rip them a new one. Also, BVW is not in a position to trade for quality relievers and there's nothing down in the minors. There is no pressure on them to perform better.
Ironic comment to make on a day when one reliever was DFA'd and two others were demoted.
My emotions run high with Mets. I feel like Charles Brown trying to kick the football, but only to have it pulled away just as I'm about to kick it. Oh the pain and torture any Mets fan puts himself through every year.
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