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All of our lessons supposedly have to be live streamed for kids who won’t be there . No way subs are signing up this year unless they are giving them a huge raise (which they won’t) because of all the money school districts have lost and how much they are going to spend for all the new safeguards
My daughters class has 2 full teachers for 16 kids (8 kids per pod), so if one is out the other can manage for a while. We also have 2 "full-time" salaried subs for our lower school that can flex in as needed. Our second back up are the specialists who are all trained to work as subs if ever needed.

No problem with subs over here.
:)
 
My daughters class has 2 full teachers for 16 kids (8 kids per pod), so if one is out the other can manage for a while. We also have 2 "full-time" salaried subs for our lower school that can flex in as needed. Our second back up are the specialists who are all trained to work as subs if ever needed.

No problem with subs over here.
:)

My sister said the subs in her district are awful. Some , the kids can hardly understand

Her best friend is a teacher in a nice Essex County town and apparently that is a problem
 
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My daughters class has 2 full teachers for 16 kids (8 kids per pod), so if one is out the other can manage for a while. We also have 2 "full-time" salaried subs for our lower school that can flex in as needed. Our second back up are the specialists who are all trained to work as subs if ever needed.

No problem with subs over here.
:)
Sounds like your district is prepared and spent more money on things like that . Hopefully more districts follow suit
 
Sounds like your district is prepared and spent more money on things like that . Hopefully more districts follow suit
His kid goes to private school. He just likes to brag about that and pretend that reflects the school experience everywhere and that everyone can afford it.
 
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My sister said the subs in her district are awful. Some , the kids can hardly understand

Her best friend is a teacher in a nice Essex County town and apparently that is a problem
Doesn't surprise me. The publics in our area are top 10, but all have dreadful subs. Districts spend money on union personnel and penny pinch on everyone else.
 
His kid goes to private school. He just likes to brag about that and pretend that reflects the school experience everywhere and that everyone can afford it.
Private schools can be a surprisingly affordable choice for parents. All of the top schools have robust financial aid programs (grants range in amount based on the need). We've referred a few prospective families to our school and they were pleasantly surprised on how things were able to work out.
 
My current read of the tea leaves in this situation is that the teachers unions, and therefore the teachers, do not want to go back into the classroom this Fall. Every excuse from the health of teachers to getting competent subs is a front for their position to stay out of school in resistance to the potus.

Why don’t the teachers care about effective education for our students? I never read them talk about education of their students.
 
My current read of the tea leaves in this situation is that the teachers unions, and therefore the teachers, do not want to go back into the classroom this Fall. Every excuse from the health of teachers to getting competent subs is a front for their position to stay out of school in resistance to the potus.

Why don’t the teachers care about effective education for our students? I never read them talk about education of their students.
Thanks for bringing solutions. Very insightful.
 
More "out of touch" takes from me today.

"Nearly 2 in 3 educators (65% of 1,907 total) polled by EdWeek’s Research Center in late May say they would prefer that schools remain closed to slow the spread of the coronavirus. The remaining 35% of teachers, principals, and district leaders say the U.S. should open up schools and get the country going again, even if that means more people would get the coronavirus."

"In an exclusive USA TODAY/Ipsos poll, 1 in 5 teachers say they are unlikely to go back to school if their classrooms reopen in the fall, a potential massive wave of resignations."

"A separate poll of parents with at least one child in grades K-12 finds that 6 in 10 say they would be likely to pursue at-home learning options instead of sending back their children this fall. Nearly a third of parents, 30%, say they are "very likely" to do that."

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200612/poll-most-educators-wary-of-fall-school-reopening

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rs-poll-ipsos-parents-fall-online/5254729002/

Think this teachers stance in LA had anything to do with yesterdays decision in LA and SD to go remote learning in the fall?

"On Friday, the teachers’ union in Los Angeles, the nation’s second-largest district, demanded full-time remote learning when the academic year begins on Aug. 18, and called President Trump’s push to reopen schools part of a “dangerous, anti-science agenda that puts the lives of our members, our students and our families at risk.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/us/virus-teachers-classrooms.html
 
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More "out of touch" takes from me today.

"Nearly 2 in 3 educators (65% of 1,907 total) polled by EdWeek’s Research Center in late May say they would prefer that schools remain closed to slow the spread of the coronavirus. The remaining 35% of teachers, principals, and district leaders say the U.S. should open up schools and get the country going again, even if that means more people would get the coronavirus."

"In an exclusive USA TODAY/Ipsos poll, 1 in 5 teachers say they are unlikely to go back to school if their classrooms reopen in the fall, a potential massive wave of resignations."

"A separate poll of parents with at least one child in grades K-12 finds that 6 in 10 say they would be likely to pursue at-home learning options instead of sending back their children this fall. Nearly a third of parents, 30%, say they are "very likely" to do that."

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200612/poll-most-educators-wary-of-fall-school-reopening

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rs-poll-ipsos-parents-fall-online/5254729002/

Think this teachers stance in LA had anything to do with yesterdays decision in LA and SD to go remote learning in the fall?

"On Friday, the teachers’ union in Los Angeles, the nation’s second-largest district, demanded full-time remote learning when the academic year begins on Aug. 18, and called President Trump’s push to reopen schools part of a “dangerous, anti-science agenda that puts the lives of our members, our students and our families at risk.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/us/virus-teachers-classrooms.html

“To explore the views of teachers and parents, USA TODAY and Ipsos conducted parallel online polls May 18-21.”

Not saying the numbers have changed but a poll of parents from May isn’t too useful.
Having kids home for 2 months is a lot different than now being home for 4 months.
 
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More "out of touch" takes from me today.

"Nearly 2 in 3 educators (65% of 1,907 total) polled by EdWeek’s Research Center in late May say they would prefer that schools remain closed to slow the spread of the coronavirus. The remaining 35% of teachers, principals, and district leaders say the U.S. should open up schools and get the country going again, even if that means more people would get the coronavirus."

"In an exclusive USA TODAY/Ipsos poll, 1 in 5 teachers say they are unlikely to go back to school if their classrooms reopen in the fall, a potential massive wave of resignations."

"A separate poll of parents with at least one child in grades K-12 finds that 6 in 10 say they would be likely to pursue at-home learning options instead of sending back their children this fall. Nearly a third of parents, 30%, say they are "very likely" to do that."

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200612/poll-most-educators-wary-of-fall-school-reopening

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rs-poll-ipsos-parents-fall-online/5254729002/

Think this teachers stance in LA had anything to do with yesterdays decision in LA and SD to go remote learning in the fall?

"On Friday, the teachers’ union in Los Angeles, the nation’s second-largest district, demanded full-time remote learning when the academic year begins on Aug. 18, and called President Trump’s push to reopen schools part of a “dangerous, anti-science agenda that puts the lives of our members, our students and our families at risk.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/us/virus-teachers-classrooms.html
National polls and info like this are pretty useless. Each state is unique (based on timing and current state of cases).
 
“To explore the views of teachers and parents, USA TODAY and Ipsos conducted parallel online polls May 18-21.”

Not saying the numbers have changed but a poll of parents from May isn’t too useful.
Having kids home for 2 months is a lot different than now being home for 4 months.

The quote from the California Teachers is from Friday. Today, I believe in States like NY and NJ you have a better chance at support for in-person schools from parents and teachers than CA or TX or FLA. Not a good chance (imo) but better than States where cases are out of control (again).

Whether it is the economy or schools or whatever else, this is about cases. As cases rise people will retreat from the economy and parents/teachers will retreat from in-person classes. It is as simple a math equation as there is (in my opinion).

I posted above healthcare workers (who have lost 1000s to Covid) ran in to the storm. I am amazed at their courage and dedication. I am not certain teachers are cut from that exact cloth. I may be wrong, but I simply don't see teachers running in to this fight the same way our healthcare workers did. Time will tell.
 
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My current read of the tea leaves in this situation is that the teachers unions, and therefore the teachers, do not want to go back into the classroom this Fall. Every excuse from the health of teachers to getting competent subs is a front for their position to stay out of school in resistance to the potus.

Why don’t the teachers care about effective education for our students? I never read them talk about education of their students.
Should stop reading tea leaves and educate yourself. Talk to teachers. Read what NJEA has to say. Every excuse? Seriously? We are busting our a**es trying to help every student. Almost every teacher would rather be in school. Just like most parents want their kids in school........as long as it is safe. Numerous parents will not send their kids back until it is.
 
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Should stop reading tea leaves and educate yourself. Talk to teachers. Read what NJEA has to say. Every excuse? Seriously? We are busting our a**es trying to help every student. Almost every teacher would rather be in school. Just like most parents want their students in school........as long as it is safe. Numerous parents will not send their kids back until it is.
I don't blame teachers for being scared to go back. Public districts are mostly s-shows with poor leadership (BOEs, admin, and unions). Building are old and don't have good HVAC systems (with limited money to upgrade). Add in crowded classrooms and lack of free space to create smaller groups, it's a tough situation.
 
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K-6 should be going back nationally......period.
Older kids are much more adaptable for online learning. However, with younger kids, it's truly a struggle. K-6 students who are not in the classroom will continue to fall further behind.
 
K-6 should be going back nationally......period.
Many younger students will struggle keeping masks on, keeping 6ft apart, not touching/hugging friends, not sharing toys/supplies etc etc...... Not as simple as you are making it............period.
 
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Not as hard as you are making it out to be. Remember, kids are much less like to get infected and transmit the virus:

https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-reopening-schools/
I’m making it out to be? Again let’s all be educated. As of now the rules are what I already lined out. If people knew what the schools are actually trying to do to make schools open it would make your head spin.
Numerous hurdles have already been detailed to the schools. I only touched on a few. Not as simple as you want it to be. Believe me if it was teachers would be thrilled to go back, just like the parents who want their kids to go back
 
I’m making it out to be? Again let’s all be educated. As of now the rules are what I already lined out. If people knew what the schools are actually trying to do to make schools open it would make your head spin.
Numerous hurdles have already been detailed to the schools. I only touched on a few. Not as simple as you want it to be. Believe me if it was teachers would be thrilled to go back, just like the parents who want their kids to go back
Doesn't sound like that. Teachers are taking their marching orders from unions, who want to keep everything shut down. Plans to open up are not complicated, just need some good leadership and planning. There's been plenty of time to prep.
 
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I’m making it out to be? Again let’s all be educated. As of now the rules are what I already lined out. If people knew what the schools are actually trying to do to make schools open it would make your head spin.
Numerous hurdles have already been detailed to the schools. I only touched on a few. Not as simple as you want it to be. Believe me if it was teachers would be thrilled to go back, just like the parents who want their kids to go back

baloney.
 
this!

for the naysayers - go look at the countries that have actually done this -- transmission by, to, from K-6 age children (with or without "masks" or "distancing") with virtually non-existent.
Again go to NJEA website. Again the requirements for opening SAFELY are lined out out. Many hurdles before just opening. When schools do be it September or latter, will look much different. Students, especially younger ones will have trouble adjusting, just like they did virtual learning,
 
Doesn't sound like that. Teachers are taking their marching orders from unions, who want to keep everything shut down. Plans to open up are not complicated, just need some good leadership and planning. There's been plenty of time to prep.


The teachers I know have not discussed the opening of schools with their union at all. They are arriving at their own opinion that unless there is a good plan going back does not make sense
 
It's as useful as most of the other nonsense you're listening to.
Listening to? Come on man. Just stop. You so easily say open for students K-6....period. That’s awesome, what’s your plan? Not as simple as just open the school.
 
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My daughters class has 2 full teachers for 16 kids (8 kids per pod), so if one is out the other can manage for a while. We also have 2 "full-time" salaried subs for our lower school that can flex in as needed. Our second back up are the specialists who are all trained to work as subs if ever needed.

No problem with subs over here.
:)


What does your private school cost for a full pay?

Is it one of the more expensive in the area?
 
Listening to? Come on man. Just stop. You so easily say open for students K-6....period. That’s awesome, what’s your plan? Not as simple as just open the school.

lol... that's what they get paid huge salaries (and benefits and pensions) to figure out.......

it's not that hard - if they really wanted to do it. The risks are incredibly low (statistically ZERO) - you know - science...

spare me the hand-wringing....

K-6 should be in-person. PERIOD.
 
The teachers I know have not discussed the opening of schools with their union at all. They are arriving at their own opinion that unless there is a good plan going back does not make sense
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Please, let's keep this a serious discussion.
 
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Doesn't sound like that. Teachers are taking their marching orders from unions, who want to keep everything shut down. Plans to open up are not complicated, just need some good leadership and planning. There's been plenty of time to prep.
Do you think the teachers union have planned school to shut down until the election? Smart move.
 
Do you really think teachers run to the union to form their own opinion.
Yes, teacher unions are very powerful and control their membership well. Union reps at each school are in constant contact with union bosses to align on talking points and demands.
 
Again go to NJEA website. Again the requirements for opening SAFELY are lined out out. Many hurdles before just opening. When schools do be it September or latter, will look much different. Students, especially younger ones will have trouble adjusting, just like they did virtual learning,

Here - why don't you listen to actual experts instead of politcal/union hacks........ oh, and this is from that great bastion of MAGA, MSNBC...

 
lol... that's what they get paid huge salaries (and benefits and pensions) to figure out.......

it's not that hard - if they really wanted to do it. The risks are incredibly low (statistically ZERO) - you know - science...

spare me the hand-wringing....

K-6 should be in-person. PERIOD.
You angry about the pay bro? Unless you have actually taught stop making assumptions as to what a teacher should be paid.
Again you feel strongly enough to throw a comment about opening schools then back it up and tell us how since you know so much.
 
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You angry about the pay bro? Unless you have actually taught stop making assumptions as to what a teacher should be paid.
Again you feel strongly enough to throw a comment about opening schools then back it up and tell us how since you know so much.

damn right I'm angry so much of my hard earned property taxes go to paying fools......
 
Here - why don't you listen to actual experts instead of politcal/union hacks........ oh, and this is from that great bastion of MAGA, MSNBC...

Let’s see I work in a school that has a union. The school AND the union are trying to work together to find ways of opening safely. Don’t need the media
 
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