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Gates on timing of returning to “normal.”
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Bill Gates on masks: By late spring and summer 'you can look at changing your behavior in a significant way'
The Microsoft co-founder said he plans to keep wearing a mask through the fall, during an interview with Andrew Ross Sorkin on the app Clubhouse Thursday.www.cnbc.com
I have no problem if you're not a Gates fan, but surely you can appreciate that he has certainly done a lot of good with his fortune funding some very worthy philanthropic efforts, no? He was also way out ahead in recognizing the risks from pandemics before COVID and if we had followed his advice like other countries did, we would have done significantly better than we did. And even if you don't agree with all he says, what exactly do you find "vile" (i.e., "extremely unpleasant or morally bad; wicked.") in what he has done or said?lol Gates is vile, you are actually bringing him up like he is some expert
Thanks - I know you mean well and are a good guy - my only advice would be to just read what you're responding to a little more closely before responding, as I think that would prevent some unnecessary arguments and I should probably let things go more. I have no doubt I'd be able to hang with anyone on this board who I might argue with over politics - I have a good chunk of friends who are on the right and we argue vociferously about many things (@mildone has posted a few times about our post-soccer shouting matches at the coffee shop), but are still friends.As I wrote several minutes ago young man😊 I respect the info you provide and not only for covid19... you appear to be a well rounded guy with varied interests. So I will leave it at that . If we met on a ball field , court, or even at an educational or business event we may actually , believe it or not, find things we could agree upon. Have a good weekend #’s . 😷🪓
Totally fine with a vaccine mandate for certain jobs and situations. If your sister can work from home without missing a beat, fine. If not, good decision by the employer. Gotta protect everyone.What makes the J&J vaccine any safer than the AstraZeneca vaccine that was pulled for a time because of so many side effects? Both are based on the same platform that uses a adenovirus, and the jury is still out on whether the body can handle a booster with this vaccine. What happens if variants make this type vaccine obsolete with a dire need for a booster? Just another example of how ill informed the public is. Asking because my Mom has insisted on waiting for this vaccine, and I told her, I'm not taking ANY of them until there's more results, but if she wants it, I'll do the leg work. My sister was forced at her place of employment to get vaccinated or face a furlough, which to me is a complete bullshit move by her boss.
Just replying so you know I gave you a like ... 😀👏👍Thanks - I know you mean well and are a good guy - my only advice would be to just read what you're responding to a little more closely before responding, as I think that would prevent some unnecessary arguments and I should probably let things go more. I have no doubt I'd be able to hang with anyone on this board who I might argue with over politics - I have a good chunk of friends who are on the right and we argue vociferously about many things (@mildone has posted a few times about our post-soccer shouting matches at the coffee shop), but are still friends.
Once vaccinated, there's probably nobody on this board I'd want to give a high five and a hug to in Indy at the NCAA tourney than @bac2therac and you know how much we argue, as I know how much we've been through as fans (and we've met at bowls/bowl parties and at the RAC many times). Same with @AreYouNUTS - different sides of the aisle, but first and foremost huge Rutgers fans. Take care.
Both the J&J and Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccines are considered very safe (as are the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines), so not sure what you're asking. Early on in the clinical trials, there was a hold placed on an early AZ trial, due to a serious side effect (transverse myelitis an inflammation of the spinal cord), which was later determined to be very likely related to the patient having MS - holds often occur in trials as safety is critical and side effects need to be carefully investigated. In the phase III US trials and in the UK trials, the incidence of transverse myelitis and any other serious side effects was statistically no greater in the vaccine group than in the placebo group. AZ did screw up their dosing regimen in one of the trials which resulted in a delay, but that wasn't a safetyh issue. I would take any of the vaccines, since they all prevent hospitalizations and deaths, but I would pick Pfizer/Moderna if given a choice, given likely better efficacy.What makes the J&J vaccine any safer than the AstraZeneca vaccine that was pulled for a time because of so many side effects? Both are based on the same platform that uses a adenovirus, and the jury is still out on whether the body can handle a booster with this vaccine. What happens if variants make this type vaccine obsolete with a dire need for a booster? Just another example of how ill informed the public is. Asking because my Mom has insisted on waiting for this vaccine, and I told her, I'm not taking ANY of them until there's more results, but if she wants it, I'll do the leg work. My sister was forced at her place of employment to get vaccinated or face a furlough, which to me is a complete bullshit move by her boss.
Agree 110%.Totally fine with a vaccine mandate for certain jobs and situations. If your sister can work from home without missing a beat, fine. If not, good decision by the employer. Gotta protect everyone.
But agreed, I would lean towards the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for now. The tech just seems better for this virus.
IIRC wasn't the issues proven within days to be totally unrelated to the vaccine? It was like a 3 to 5 day pause?What makes the J&J vaccine any safer than the AstraZeneca vaccine that was pulled for a time because of so many side effects? Both are based on the same platform that uses a adenovirus, and the jury is still out on whether the body can handle a booster with this vaccine. What happens if variants make this type vaccine obsolete with a dire need for a booster? Just another example of how ill informed the public is. Asking because my Mom has insisted on waiting for this vaccine, and I told her, I'm not taking ANY of them until there's more results, but if she wants it, I'll do the leg work. My sister was forced at her place of employment to get vaccinated or face a furlough, which to me is a complete bullshit move by her boss.
I have no problem if you're not a Gates fan, but surely you can appreciate that he has certainly done a lot of good with his fortune funding some very worthy philanthropic efforts, no? He was also way out ahead in recognizing the risks from pandemics before COVID and if we had followed his advice like other countries did, we would have done significantly better than we did. And even if you don't agree with all he says, what exactly do you find "vile" (i.e., "extremely unpleasant or morally bad; wicked.") in what he has done or said?
well that was a very interesting watch. Frankly impressive but it just supports the need for more private sector leadership as the government only reacts to crap.The most “vile” thing about Gates is how he behaved in his younger years as the founder of Microsoft. He was overly emotional and egotistical to the point he actually tried to avoid meeting Buffett when his father invited him to a social gathering at their home. Gates promised to speak to him but thought his time would be wasted with some stock picker. Turns out it turned into one of his best lifelong friendships, and I think Buffett had a very grounding effect on Gates. But, yeah, there is nothing vile about his current activities, that’s for sure.
Here Is his TED talk on pandemic readiness from 2015.
+1amazing day. J&J vaccine was approved by the FDA and 1c is now a GO for New Jersey.
I got an email from the state today and I am booked for my 1st shot Monday!
Very excited! 🥳
Did you guys get shots or appointments yet? Time to get the numbers up as high as possible.Agree 110%.
amazing day. J&J vaccine was approved by the FDA and 1c is now a GO for New Jersey.
I got an email from the state today and I am booked for my 1st shot Monday!
Very excited! 🥳
2nd shot on 3/6 (Pfizer) for my wife and I; son already has both shots. Dad got his 2nd shot today in FL, but sister has to wait, as FL is only doing over 65 and she's 61.Did you guys get shots or appointments yet? Time to get the numbers up as high as possible.
where did you see that 1C is a go? I’m 1C and haven’t gotten an email or any notification.
Got my 1st shot in Mass today at Gillette Stadium, very well run. They give you a card at the shot time, you take the picture and it sets you up for round 2. Its the Moderna Vaccine, they are running two separate clinics on west and east concourse, about a thousand shots an hour each side i think.
I have minor aches, chills, and headache, seem to be dissipating or at least not getting worse. 90 mile ride, I will do it again in 4-weeks.
Wife and I got Pfizer #1 yesterday. It was originally scheduled for last week.....f'ing snow! I guess karma for weather trolling. LOL. #2 on 3/18.2nd shot on 3/6 (Pfizer) for my wife and I; son already has both shots. Dad got his 2nd shot today in FL, but sister has to wait, as FL is only doing over 65 and she's 61.
Thought I recall you saying you got yours.
amazing day. J&J vaccine was approved by the FDA and 1c is now a GO for New Jersey.
I got an email from the state today and I am booked for my 1st shot Monday!
Very excited! 🥳
Yep, just sore arms; son felt like he had a mild flu for 24-36 hours after the 2nd shot. Today was day 14 for us and that's the point of demarcation after shot #1, where significant efficacy is seen in preventing infections.Wife and I got Pfizer #1 yesterday. It was originally scheduled for last week.....f'ing snow! I guess karma for weather trolling. LOL. #2 on 3/18.
Besides a modestly sore arm, no AEs with #1 (for either of us).
Great post. Here's more if you're interested. There's no doubt that Global Health Security has been mostly ignored for decades by both parties, but every administration going back 30 years has at least made some attempts to improve pandemic preparedness, as per summary of efforts in the Wired article, linked below. And more recently, the Obama Administration did develop a pandemic playbook, which was passed along to the Trump Administration, which even was involved peripherally with the CSIS/GHPC Pandemic Playbook from 2019 and conducting its own HHS "Crimson Contagion" simulation in 2019. But sadly, almost all of this guidance was simply ignored in 2020, as the US clearly did not meet the expectations of world pandemic experts who had voted the US as the best preapred country to handle a pandemic. I discussed much of this in the post below (excerpt in italics) from 4/30.well that was a very interesting watch. Frankly impressive but it just supports the need for more private sector leadership as the government only reacts to crap.
Thanks for sharing. You made an impact on my position and opinion today.
Now I'm even more pissed about how this happened.
I too despised Gates early on, mostly for his monopolistic views on bundling with his Windows OS. I was a big Netscape fan which he bankrupted. I've done a 180 on him with his philanthropies and dedication to better our world since he stepped down from Microsoft.The most “vile” thing about Gates is how he behaved in his younger years as the founder of Microsoft. He was overly emotional and egotistical to the point he actually tried to avoid meeting Buffett when his father invited him to a social gathering at their home. Gates promised to speak to him but thought his time would be wasted with some stock picker. Turns out it turned into one of his best lifelong friendships, and I think Buffett had a very grounding effect on Gates. But, yeah, there is nothing vile about his current activities, that’s for sure.
Here Is his TED talk on pandemic readiness from 2015.
Well we hit a record 2.2MM doses administered yesterday. Let's see if we can sustain it, which I think we will and more. Hoping for 3MM/day by mid/late March.Haven't seen 1C eligible yet, - do you have a source for that comment? I've been thinking we wouldn't see 1C become eligible until late March, at least, as 1A and 1B should be about 60% of all adults - but not all of them will seek appointments - maybe 60-70% of them, so I think we see 1C become eligible when we're at maybe 35-40% having received a single vaccine (95-110MM of 270Mm adults).
I'm guessing that we'll get to that point by the end of March, when we should have, in hand, enough vaccines to fully vaccinate 120MM people (44% of our 270MM adults), although that doesn't mean those will all be in arms by then, given distribution not matching supply.
Right now, we're only at 15% in the US having received at least a single shot (and 70MM vaccines given of 94MM distributed to the States), but the vaccination rate is going to go up steadily and I expect to be well over 2MM doses per day, in March, on average, which should get us to 130-150MM doses given by the end of March.
Same here - hated him as MS CEO, especially as I was a Mac guy back then and he was part of the Evil Empire. Like him much more as a philanthropist.I too despised Gates early on, mostly for his monopolistic views on bundling with his Windows OS. I was a big Netscape fan which he bankrupted. I've done a 180 on him with his philanthropies and dedication to better our world since he stepped down from Microsoft.
Excellent news Johnny. Everything heading in the right direction.1919 in hospitals. Take out PUIs and it's prob under 1800. Awesome. Can't wait to see what the ☀☀☀ and warmth and humidity do for us this week.
With J&J coming up shouldn't the reported data show which is which since J&J is only a one shot vaccine? I wish they report completely vaccinated instead of vaccines given. It doesn't give the full story.Well we hit a record 2.2MM doses administered yesterday. Let's see if we can sustain it, which I think we will and more. Hoping for 3MM/day by mid/late March.
Most trackers give doses given and completely vaccinated...With J&J coming up shouldn't the reported data show which is which since J&J is only a one shot vaccine? I wish they report completely vaccinated instead of vaccines given. It doesn't give the full story.
Mild headache on day two, and feel lazy...so will just loaf around today.that is the same one I will get. Different place. I will post what happens as far as how long it took and any side effects.
With J&J coming up shouldn't the reported data show which is which since J&J is only a one shot vaccine? I wish they report completely vaccinated instead of vaccines given. It doesn't give the full story.
Update: appointments made for both parents at Rowan Sewell / Deptford. This is what used to be called Gloucester County College, Not Rowan U in Glassboro.Thanks!
This is promising.
They did answer - was put on hold for a coupe minutes, then a person answered and took my phone number, said someone will call me tomorrow to make appointments for my parents.
I've been on all the websites at this point - and trying things such as the "lottery" for the Atlantic City Conv Center megasite. Last night they had 2700 appointments available and I was number 47000 in the queue (suppsoedly random assigned numbers). I know all f you in NJ have been dealing with this crazy system, but I REALLY appreciate that in NH we have not had to do more than a single registration and appointments were made.
How people have contorted themselves to hate this man is bizarre. Given away his wealth toward solving some of the worlds most challenging issues. InsanitySame here - hated him as MS CEO, especially as I was a Mac guy back then and he was part of the Evil Empire. Like him much more as a philanthropist.