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OT: New York Mets 2020-2021 Off Season Thread

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Pillar seems like a bit of a POS with his comments over the years so hope he doesn't come in and ruin the good chemistry this team seems to have.
Joel Sherman of the NY Post believes Pillar could split time with Dom in LF and face the lefties. What's the board's take on this? IMO, you let Dom rake. Pillar, while solid, is showing a decline in his skills overall and that's why he's better off as a bench player.
 
Last two seasons Pillar has good numbers against lefties. Still a solid outfielder.
 
ESPN ranked the Mets' offense 2nd overall, the rotation 4th overall, and the farm system 25th. In a few short months, the Mets have improved in a lot of areas. Although the farm system still has a way to go, it did move up from something like 30th to 25th.
 
ESPN ranked the Mets' offense 2nd overall, the rotation 4th overall, and the farm system 25th. In a few short months, the Mets have improved in a lot of areas. Although the farm system still has a way to go, it did move up from something like 30th to 25th.
Add to that, ranked 6th best chance to win the whole thing. With NOW the richest owner in baseball, the future looks great.
 
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If this was another team other than the Mets, there would be no issue with Jeff McNeil, Dom Smith, JD Davis playing full time. Only the Mets would not let their young players play and become the superstars Bellinger, Betts, Judge, Acuna, Tatis, etc. Hell, Alonso wasn’t supposed to make the opening day roster, they’re not extending Conforto, damm near low balled deGrom, etc.
 
If this was another team other than the Mets, there would be no issue with Jeff McNeil, Dom Smith, JD Davis playing full time. Only the Mets would not let their young players play and become the superstars Bellinger, Betts, Judge, Acuna, Tatis, etc. Hell, Alonso wasn’t supposed to make the opening day roster, they’re not extending Conforto, damm near low balled deGrom, etc.
Sadly, I agree with you 100% on this.
 
If this was another team other than the Mets, there would be no issue with Jeff McNeil, Dom Smith, JD Davis playing full time. Only the Mets would not let their young players play and become the superstars Bellinger, Betts, Judge, Acuna, Tatis, etc. Hell, Alonso wasn’t supposed to make the opening day roster, they’re not extending Conforto, damm near low balled deGrom, etc.
I think our biggest problem is that we have too many starters that fall into this category. McNeil- until this year, trying to find a spot everywhere but his natural position because of Cano. JD- not great in the field anywhere but again- too many positions for him to worry about- hope to see a big improvement this year with just 3B as his primary. Smith- Best position 1B but not unseating Alonso there. Nimmo- forced into CF, Alonso, slugger and we would be good there except for the Dom situation, Conforto- in the right position, good defender and turning into elite hitter. All these other teams seem to have 1 guy in this type of situation, we have a whole team.
BTW- using Betts is a horrible comparison...traded his ass at his peak.And didn't Acuna sign a super team friendly contract. Tatis is a top 5 player. Judge- not sure what he is but if he plays another half season- what happens with him.
deGrom is coming into his big money now but it was a team friendly contract. We do need to see Met's either go close to 300 to get Lindor or one of his contemporaries on the market next year, and we need to sign Conforto even if we over pay. If we do not have both those done and locked long term by next year- big failure...
 
Sadly, I agree with you 100% on this.
I think our biggest problem is that we have too many starters that fall into this category. McNeil- until this year, trying to find a spot everywhere but his natural position because of Cano. JD- not great in the field anywhere but again- too many positions for him to worry about- hope to see a big improvement this year with just 3B as his primary. Smith- Best position 1B but not unseating Alonso there. Nimmo- forced into CF, Alonso, slugger and we would be good there except for the Dom situation, Conforto- in the right position, good defender and turning into elite hitter. All these other teams seem to have 1 guy in this type of situation, we have a whole team.
BTW- using Betts is a horrible comparison...traded his ass at his peak.And didn't Acuna sign a super team friendly contract. Tatis is a top 5 player. Judge- not sure what he is but if he plays another half season- what happens with him.
deGrom is coming into his big money now but it was a team friendly contract. We do need to see Met's either go close to 300 to get Lindor or one of his contemporaries on the market next year, and we need to sign Conforto even if we over pay. If we do not have both those done and locked long term by next year- big failure...
All the players from other teams that I’ve named are superstars, no matter what they done with their teams. The point is that they’ve gotten their chances to shine without having to worry about being benched in the 7th, having you play multiple positions, and your team getting some roided old guy to play your position after having your breakout season.

Oh, now watch Rosario and:or Giminez become 7 time all stars.
 
All the players from other teams that I’ve named are superstars, no matter what they done with their teams. The point is that they’ve gotten their chances to shine without having to worry about being benched in the 7th, having you play multiple positions, and your team getting some roided old guy to play your position after having your breakout season.

Oh, now watch Rosario and:or Giminez become 7 time all stars.
Rosario, maybe, Giminez really doesn't impress me. No where at any level has he shown the stats that say All Star. Just like with Davis at 3rd, Rosario's defense to me was fine, and his range, very good along with a bat that I think would come back to haunt us, especially if we don't tie up Lindor long term. That would be a total disaster!!LFGM
 
All the players from other teams that I’ve named are superstars, no matter what they done with their teams. The point is that they’ve gotten their chances to shine without having to worry about being benched in the 7th, having you play multiple positions, and your team getting some roided old guy to play your position after having your breakout season.

Oh, now watch Rosario and:or Giminez become 7 time all stars.
A lot of our issues are fixed if they agree to the DH. But, yes, I agree...The Met's have done a horrible job of this. If they had believed in McNeil from the start, if they trusted bringing in Davis, they may not have decided to bring Cano in.


As for Rosario and Giminez- obviously ironic joking but no matter how you look at it, even if Lindor is only one year- by bringing Carasco in on the deal- I will never look back at that one as a bad trade.
 
A hypothetical for whomever wants to play:

You're Sandy Alderson. Cohen tells you, "I'll finance one last signing. Anybody who's still available, spend whatever you need to make it happen. Has to be a free agent signing though, I don't want you spending any trade capital."

Who would your "one last signing" be? My vote would be Trevor Rosenthal.
 
Disagree on Rosario. At this point, he is what you see. I don't see him getting significantly better so don't view this as a loss. Giminez on the other hand showed promise given his young age.
 
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Rosario, maybe, Giminez really doesn't impress me. No where at any level has he shown the stats that star All Star. Just like with Davis at 3rb, Rosario's defense to me was fine, and his range, very good along with a bat that I think would come back to haunt us, especially if we don't tie up Lindor long term. That would be a total disaster!!
I see Rosario playing for the next 10 years but never a sure thing starter or ever reach All Star status. But he does enough everywhere and a good guy, he will have a place in baseball for a while.
Now, if we trade Davis...he is the guy that will be haunting as I can see him hitting 250-300 HR's over his career with a BA somewhere around .280 or so. We trade him, will need a starting MLB player(pitcher or everyday) and some good prospects.
 
A hypothetical for whomever wants to play:

You're Sandy Alderson. Cohen tells you, "I'll finance one last signing. Anybody who's still available, spend whatever you need to make it happen. Has to be a free agent signing though, I don't want you spending any trade capital."

Who would your "one last signing" be? My vote would be Trevor Rosenthal.
He may be the best available at this point but have to get another starter. Ororizzi or Walker

Who I would take a flier on with either a performance based 1 year deal is Hamels. See if he has anything left. There is no position player that excites me at this point
 
Didn’t like what I heard from Rojas at his presser today. He said that McNeil, Davis, Nimmo, and Dom are not set at specific positions, as they will move around.

No problem with Dom or Nimmo moving but why McNeil or Davis?
 
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Didn’t like what I heard from Rojas at his presser today. He said that McNeil, Davis, Nimmo, and Dom are not set at specific positions, as they will move around.

No problem with Dom or Nimmo moving but why McNeil or Davis?
Fvking stupid if that is the case. JD at 3B -if you want to move him out for the 8/9 inning, fine but really don't think you have to do that either. The only time a bat touches a Diaz or Familia pitch, it is out of the ball park- otherwise, it is a BB or K
McNeil- he is playing 154 games 9 innings a game for me at 2B unless JD is injured, then I may move him over unless Guirlorme or Villar at the better option to put there and keep McNeil at 2B. Dom/Nimmo make sense.

Just wish the damn players would just approve the DH and we have a balls out contender. Plug all 8 guys in the field and our DH every single day and let them play.
 
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Fvking stupid if that is the case. JD at 3B -if you want to move him out for the 8/9 inning, fine but really don't think you have to do that either. The only time a bat touches a Diaz or Familia pitch, it is out of the ball park- otherwise, it is a BB or K
McNeil- he is playing 154 games 9 innings a game for me at 2B unless JD is injured, then I may move him over unless Guirlorme or Villar at the better option to put there and keep McNeil at 2B. Dom/Nimmo make sense.

Just wish the damn players would just approve the DH and we have a balls out contender. Plug all 8 guys in the field and our DH every single day and let them play.

Yup, he said Davis in left field at times, McNeil will move around. Said only Alonso, Lindor, and McCann are set. Then added Conforto in right. I believe this will cause more defensive woes. If your thinking about Davis in left, why sign Almora and Pillar?
 
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Yup, he said Davis in left field at times, McNeil will move around. Said only Alonso, Lindor, and McCann are set. Then added Conforto in right. I believe this will cause more defensive woes. If your thinking about Davis in left, why sign Almora and Pillar?
As I said earlier in the thread, Joel Sherman said Pillar would split time in Left with Dom Smith. Pillar will face Lefties while Dom will on see righties. I say leave Dom in LF, JD at 3B, and Nimmo in CF. Bring in Pillar, Almora, and the rest late in the game as defensive replacements if necessary. Otherwise, Rojas may be in over his head with this team if he pulls this sh*t.
 
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As I said earlier in the thread, Joel Sherman said Pillar would split time in Left with Dom Smith. Pillar will face Lefties while Dom will on see righties. I say leave Dom in LF, JD at 3B, and Nimmo in CF. Bring in Pillar, Almora, and the rest late in the game as defensive replacements if necessary. Otherwise, Rojas may be in over his head with this team if he pulls this sh*t.
Just let your guys play! All of this seems that it is a manager trying to justify his job or just a warning that he will be forced to manage by front office nerds that went to MIT.
 
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A hypothetical for whomever wants to play:

You're Sandy Alderson. Cohen tells you, "I'll finance one last signing. Anybody who's still available, spend whatever you need to make it happen. Has to be a free agent signing though, I don't want you spending any trade capital."

Who would your "one last signing" be? My vote would be Trevor Rosenthal.
Yoanis Cespedes

Just Kidding. I'd go TrevorRosenthal as well.
 
I see Rosario playing for the next 10 years but never a sure thing starter or ever reach All Star status. But he does enough everywhere and a good guy, he will have a place in baseball for a while.
Now, if we trade Davis...he is the guy that will be haunting as I can see him hitting 250-300 HR's over his career with a BA somewhere around .280 or so. We trade him, will need a starting MLB player(pitcher or everyday) and some good prospects.
JD. Davis is a player we never get lucky with in trades of the past. I agree, he's a 25-30hr guy and I feel a keeper/
 
Tatis' contract is obviously relevant to Lindor negotiations.

Tatis was going to play for chump change (by MLB standards) this year, and then three arbitration years. Absent the extension, figure he earns maybe $40-50 million for those four years. That leaves 10 years at $290-300 million. Lindor will want more.
 
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You move JD for M Chapman...not even a moment hesitation
That's something I'd pump the brakes on. Chapman had season ending hip surgery at age 27. Who knows what kind of range or longevity he'll have after that. A hip in sports is worse than knee injuries in a lot of cases.NO way that's a slam dunk move.
 
That's something I'd pump the brakes on. Chapman had season ending hip surgery at age 27. Who knows what kind of range or longevity he'll have after that. A hip in sports is worse than knee injuries in a lot of cases.NO way that's a slam dunk move.
Whats up with the Mets fans fantasizing over suspect players like Trevor Bauer (who has similar stats than Marcus Stroman) and Matt Chapman (a career .255 hitter who they'd have over JD Davis). Is it a case of Uncle Steve's money burning a hole in their pockets so lets just spend it on ANYONE???
 
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Tatis' contract is obviously relevant to Lindor negotiations.

Tatis was going to play for chump change (by MLB standards) this year, and then three arbitration years. Absent the extension, figure he earns maybe $40-50 million for those four years. That leaves 10 years at $290-300 million. Lindor will want more.
This going to affect Lindor, Conforto, deGrom (extention), Syndergaard. Signing 3 of 4 is doable (...MAybe) but what do I know? All I know is that thankfully Bauer is not in the mix since he would've caused one of these 4 to go off the list and maybe affect the next group: Alonso, Smith, McNeil, Davis, Stroman.
 
Whats up with the Mets fans fantasizing over suspect players like Trevor Bauer (who has similar stats than Marcus Stroman) and Matt Chapman (a career .255 hitter who they'd have over JD Davis). Is it a case of Uncle Steve's money burning a hole in their pockets so lets just spend it on ANYONE???

I really like JD but he is a bad defensive third baseman. Having him out there with potentially Smith in LF and Nimmo in CF is a recipe for disaster, no matter how well the Mets hit.
 
I really like JD but he is a bad defensive third baseman. Having him out there with potentially Smith in LF and Nimmo in CF is a recipe for disaster, no matter how well the Mets hit.
But is Chapman THAT much better than Davis?

Is Bauer REALLY THAT MUCH BETTER than Stroman, Syndergaard? Shoot I'm not even comparing him to deGrom because there is none.
 
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But is Chapman THAT much better than Davis?

Is Bauer REALLY THAT MUCH BETTER than Stroman, Syndergaard? Shoot I'm not even comparing him to deGrom because there is none.

Defensively Chapman is FAR superior to Davis, not even a discussion.
 
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Defensively Chapman is FAR superior to Davis, not even a discussion.
You can say that he also have better offensive numbers than Davis, only because Chapman has been a starter longer than Davis... Or that Davis has decent numbers in his 2 seasons with the Mets without being a starter. Thats the issue with the Mets last few years: they always had the players to compete but always low ball them or underestimate their chances and go get someone else who almost always never pan out: Murphy, McNeil, Davis, maybe even Gimenez and Smith.
 
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