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OT: New York Mets 2023-2024 Off Season Thread
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I had long thought Lindor was overpaid. Still do. Cohen made a rookie mistake when he acquired Lindor. He was committed to locking Lindor up before he could hit free agency. So Cohen bid against himself.
That said, Lindor isn't nearly as overpaid as I once thought. Here's his salary positioned within the 5 guys in his peer group - all of whom have gotten paid. Their rankings are from the MLB Network 10 best shortstops right now:
1) Corey Seager: 10 Years, $325M, $32.5M AAV.
2) Francisco Lindor: 10 Years, $341M, $34.1M AAV.
3) Xander Bogaerts: 11 Years, $280M, $25,5M AAV.
4) Dansby Swanson, 7 Years, $177M, $25.3M AAV.
5) Trea Turner, 11 Years, $300M, $27.3M AAV.
7) Carlos Correa, 6 Years, $200M, $33.3 AAV,
BTW, #6 is Bo Bichette whose payday has not yet come. But shortstops do get paid.
Lindor is not overpaid. We have a superstar at SS that does everything and plays all the time. We love to put down our own. His thumbs down when the fans was moronic but besides that he's been a phenomenal Met on and off the field. One of the top players at one of the most important positions.
As a Met, Lindor has an OPS of .780 and an OPS+ of 116. That is good. Coupled with his outstanding defense, that is very good. But phenomenal? Hardly.
Lindor is worth the money and in another year or so, will be a bargain for a guy that will be at 1 or 2 in almost every category for a Met.
And we may have gotten a star or two in the minors for them and you have Stanton.
It’s funny- for years, everyone said the Yankees could just make an expensive mistake and walk away from them. Yankee fans are now the ones pissed that we can too
It took him a year to get used to NY. His last 2 seasons yes he's been phenomenal. 6.6 and 6.0 WAR seasons. Best SS in baseball in fWAR those 2 years. 4th best hitting in wRC+ last 2 years.
Anyone having a problem paying Lindor what he makes, missed his last 2 years and do not understand that by the end of next year, he is a bargain.
Lindor will be one of the top Mets ever by tge time he is done..,
Don't get me wrong. Lindor is an outstanding SS. As I mentioned earlier, he is in an elite group of six at that position. Currently, he is ranked by mlb network as second in that group. The year before, he was fifth. I expect there will be further fluctuations.
But the one thing that he objectively is not, and never will be, is a bargain. He is the highest paid SS in baseball, both in terms of total contract value and average contract value. He is not the best SS in baseball.
You said he was overpaid which he's not. Now you're saying he's not a bargain which no one said otherwise. You've changed your argument.
He also missed my point that give it another year or two and he will seem a bargain. We just saw a DH get 70mil a year. A pitcher who has never thrown a pitch in a MLB game get the biggest pitcher contract.
So, let’s even say- current market price for Lindor should be 29 mil as a top 5 SS…isnt that extra 3-5 mil a year worth it?
Re-read the post of @yesrutgers01 to which I was responding.
No matter what Lindor goes on to accomplish, I believe he is overpaid in that Cohen paid more than was necessary to secure his services. That was the context of my first post on the topic. Obviously there is no way to know what would have happened had Lindor hit free agency. But the fact that no SS has ever been paid as much before or since, suggests that I am right.
Is it possible that Lindor will overperform his contract? Sure, it's possible. He hasn't yet. That's a hell of a contract to overperform.
I don't see any SS coming down the pike getting a contract rivaling Lindor's. Bichette? Doubt it. Bobby Witt Jr.? He's years away.
C'mon man, you know Ohtani isn't really getting $70M a year. And you also know he isn't just a DH, although that may be how things turn out.
You may ask why do I care. It's because every signing has an opportunity cost. The money that Lindor will be getting five years from now is money that won't be available for some desirable free agent. Maybe for Cohen the rules will be different. We shall see.
Nope. Per spotrac.com, Lindor's AAV is $34.1M, Correa $33.3M, Seager $32.5M. There may be year to year fluctuations, but it is the average that matters, as that is what is used in luxury tax computations.
In fairness, he’s a bit overpaid. But not anything to belly ache about.
We had a couple of opportunities to go after Vlad Sr back in the day bit it never ended up happening. I knew Omar's father in law back in the day and he mentioned they attempted a few times to acquire him.
Baseball Prospectus (BP) released their top 100 overall prospects. The Mets ranked are:
Jett Williams - 23
Drew Gilbert - 29
Ryan Clifford - 76
Luisangel Acuña - 77
Christian Scott - 88
Jett Williams - 23
Drew Gilbert - 29
Ryan Clifford - 76
Luisangel Acuña - 77
Christian Scott - 88
The system seems better but still needs work. This year's international free agents may bolster the system even more. Given his track record, I have faith in Stearns.
Parada has really fallen off a cliff. Hope he can bounce back into something useful but reports are not good.
Gilbert we'll definitely see and Jett maybe in September unless he continues to surprise. Took a lot of people by surprise last year. He's more like 2025.
Need to get some more high upside arms in the system as well even though we have some good mid to back end rotations guys that will start to bubble up beginning with Scott.
Gilbert we'll definitely see and Jett maybe in September unless he continues to surprise. Took a lot of people by surprise last year. He's more like 2025.
Need to get some more high upside arms in the system as well even though we have some good mid to back end rotations guys that will start to bubble up beginning with Scott.
On the subject of metsmerizedonline.com, they ranked the Mets Top 75 prospects, which is a lot. Here are the Top 10:
1) Drew Gilbert (Verlander trade)
2) Jett Williams
3) Luisangel Acuna (Scherzer trade)
4) Christian Scott
5) Ryan Clifford (Verlander trade)
6) Marco Vargas (Robertson trade)
7) Ronny Mauricio (still has rookie status)
8) Kevin Parada
9) Colin Houck
10) Mike Vasil
Worth noting that four of the top six came in last year's housecleaning. Also worth noting is that Christian Scott, once thought of as a midlevel prospect, is skyrocketing through the ratings. Maybe he will lead the next wave of Mets homegrown starting pitchers.
Top 75 Mets Prospects - Metsmerized Online
The New York Mets farm system was expected to take a hit in overall rankings in 2023, with the likelihood of at least Francisco Álvarez, Mark Vientos, and Brett Baty all getting enough playing time at the major league level to graduate from lists. That’s not the case; however, after they...metsmerizedonline.com
Anyone on the list who will playing for the Cyclones?
I like to go the BlueClaws games when they play them to check out the Mets prospects.
It's still too early but no none of our top 100 big prospects will be in Brooklyn. They'll be in AA or higher. Assignments will be made in ST. They'll have a few guys that will be interesting though.
Yeah second half of the year it's possible that Marco Vargas and Ronald Hernandez get there(Robertson Trade). Houck, Reimer, Morabito, Sproat, McClean, and others will be through. Once we get closer to the season I can let you know for sure when the assignments begin to roll out.
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Long term Stearns will do wonders. My frustration is that I just don’t want a lost summer. And I could deal with a lost summer if I know Pete is locked up..,
I would be shocked if Pete is extended before or during the season.
And I would be equally shocked if he is NOT signed after the season.
