Pete Alonso #6 in MLB Network Top First Basemen right now. Seems about right. I'd put him somewhere in the 4 to 8 range.
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That I cannot say. But I will say this:
Alonso's "right now" ceiling is clearly #4. No way you can rate him ahead of Freddie Freeman, Bryce Harper, or Matt Olson.
I think his floor is #8. Any or all of Paul Goldschmidt, Yandy Diaz, Vlad Guerrero Jr., and Christian Walker could arguably be rated ahead of him. Others could eventually surpass him, but the criterion is "right now".
Baseball America was not quite so bullish on the Mets prospects. They rated three Mets in their Top 100:
Jett Williams - 30
Ronny Mauricio - 87
Drew Gilbert - 91.
They also had a "Just Missed" list of the next 15 players, which included Luisangel Acuna and Ryan Clifford.
Harper has to be one of the worst fielders out there. He's in the top three because of his offense. If Alonso can up his BA and OPS, then he has a chance to pass Harper. Alonso had improved his defense every year.
Fair enough, but can't Harper be reasonably expected to improve his defense too? 1B is a new position for him.
What they also miss is pure worth to the team. Alonso is the face of the Mets.
Which of the others except Harper is the face of the team?
On field production- Freeman is tops.
The question on Olsen is…does he go back to .250 38 HR or is .280 50+ his new normal?
Can Harper play a full year with 75% of it at 1B?
Which of the others except Harper is the face of the team?
On field production- Freeman is tops.
The question on Olsen is…does he go back to .250 38 HR or is .280 50+ his new normal?
Can Harper play a full year with 75% of it at 1B?
There was zero chance he would sign to be Diaz's caddy. If Robertson is still out there- would sign him in a nano second.
Never thought or said he would. Was just making a general MLB update.
Robertson is still out there, as are a bunch of other bullpen arms, some of whom are more highly rated (subjective I know). Mets will almost certainly sign two.
Agree- what I like about Robertson that makes him a priority to me...we know he can perform here, he wants to be here and he would be excited to be in that setup role for Diaz. And you can get him un a 1 year deal.
Sounds like S Marte may be healthy too.
If so, that changes this lineup in a very positive way.
I’m ok with
Nimmo
McNeil but I bet they put Bader here
Lindor
Alonso
Marte
Alvarez
3B/DH
DH/3B
Bader
3B/DH is really our complete unknowns and that scares me
If so, that changes this lineup in a very positive way.
I’m ok with
Nimmo
McNeil but I bet they put Bader here
Lindor
Alonso
Marte
Alvarez
3B/DH
DH/3B
Bader
3B/DH is really our complete unknowns and that scares me
Harper played several years in rightfield and wasn't great. He didn't show much improvement throughout the years. What makes you think suddenly Harper is better at 1B? They are overvaluing his offense into his defense. Harper's best position is probably DH.
The short term solution to your problem is out there. His name is Justin Turner.
Or if you are on a budget, there's Gio Urshela.
If you're top 100 overall yes I'd say it's good. Or are you asking something else?
I'd say overall it's a decent crop with somewhat limited upside. Mets have some work to do on the farm but the trades at the deadline helped and the lower levels are starting to brim with more talent. We graduated Alvarez last year who helped carry the farm for a few years. Our positional prospects are better than our pitching prospects at this point so starting to infuse some arms will help.
Our new pitching lab will help with those arms as well. Take Christian Scott who is starting to pop up on these lists and our best pitching prospect. I'm college he was a RP with 2 pitches but Mets liked his arm. They got him into the lab and totally re-worked his delivery and repertoire. He now has an above average fastball with great shape and command. A slider/sweeper that plays above average and his 3rd a change getting better. He now has an upside of a 3rd starter and we'll see more of this type of stuff moving on.
Sorry a little long winded there.
Harper had 1 error this year. He’s serviceable at first base when he needs to play there. I’d rather have him at first base than Rhys Hoskins. The problem with the Phils is they have other players who should be DH besides Harper. That would be Castellanos and Schwarber.
One more reliever off the board as Collin McHugh has retired. Still plenty of bullpen arms left though!
Andy Martino reports that the Mets have about $10M left in their preseason budget. That could be two arms and no bats. Reportedly they want to give full shots to Baty and Vientos.
If the Mets are in contention at mid season, the checkbook may be loosened againmp
If the Mets are in contention at mid season, the checkbook may be loosened againmp
If Marte is really at full strength- let’s get Robertson and and another arm and see where we are. I say Robertson as you most likely get him at >2 mil for 1 year and he would love to be here.
Aroldis Chapman to Pirates, 1 year, $10.5M.
I am surprised that he got this much. I am shocked that he got it from the Pirates. He becomes their second highest paid player, which is crazy.
But then, the highest paid player on the A's last year was Trevor May. Small market teams dance to their own tune.
I am surprised that he got this much. I am shocked that he got it from the Pirates. He becomes their second highest paid player, which is crazy.
But then, the highest paid player on the A's last year was Trevor May. Small market teams dance to their own tune.
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For the minor league geeks out there, I offer the following indepth analysis of over 50 prospects.
IMO the lede, which is well buried, is "Jett Williams should be the only untouchable player in the farm system."
IMO the lede, which is well buried, is "Jett Williams should be the only untouchable player in the farm system."
Mets 2024 top 50 prospects
This is the third year where this top prospect list of mine has been done with a tiered approach, rather than an ordered list. It’s my opinion that a tiered list is more valuable than trying to gue…
mets360.com
You’ll never drive in more runs than you let in, if you can’t play defense.
Especially when the tying or winning runs are on base late in the game.😊
That starts in little league and remains true for bar league softball.
I’ve said many times, I’ll tell you who’s going to win a college game by watching infield practice and the pitcher warm up, not by watching batting practice.
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I prefer the term Prospect Hugger ok. :)For the minor league geeks out there, I offer the following indepth analysis of over 50 prospects.
IMO the lede, which is well buried, is "Jett Williams should be the only untouchable player in the farm system."
Mets 2024 top 50 prospects
This is the third year where this top prospect list of mine has been done with a tiered approach, rather than an ordered list. It’s my opinion that a tiered list is more valuable than trying to gue…mets360.com
Anyways yes I pretty much agree with this. Our best case pie in the sky scenario is Jett becomes a Pedroia like player. I've never heard of this site so I'm quite interested in their view.
Sort of how a guy can have 5500 MLB AB's- never have a year with over 72 runs, or even had 20 doubles and never more than 1 HR a year, be loved by so many fans. Or another with a lifetime .262 and 28 HR's in the HOF...
And at 1B - how many games did Keith Hernandez win with his glove vs his bat?
It's early of course, but I believe the Mets flip the script on their 75-87 season. Anything that could go wrong did, and losing our closer cost us 10 games right there,putting players in roles they never would have been in from the 6th inning on. Wouldn't be surprised if they won 90 games.
No way the closer cost us 10 games.
But I appreciate the rose color in your glasses. Nice touch.
But I appreciate the rose color in your glasses. Nice touch.
Our pen as constructed currently is probably worse than last year. It's really bad after Diaz. I like Raley a lot but he and Drew Smith are currently the setup guys. That is not a serious pen. We need 2 more arms in there at minimum. I actually think rotation could turn out decent and lineup should be a bit better but even then we need Baty and Vientos to provide more than last year. Defense should be better especially in the OF. As of today with this roster I think we're probably about .500 give or take a few games on either side. Our Pythagorean record was better last year based on run differential so including that in my thoughts.
Oh no he does baseball also! It basically measures luck based on run differential.Our Pythagorean record? You mean this guy?
I thought he just did triangles.
What is pythagorean winning percentage?
Pythagorean winning percentage is an estimate of a team's winning percentage given their runs scored and runs allowed. Developed by Bill James, it can tell you when teams were a bit lucky or unlucky. It is calculated by
(Runs Scored)^1.83
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(Runs Scored)^1.83 + (Runs Allowed)^1.83
The traditional formula uses an exponent of two, but this has proven to be a little more accurate.
